NBA 2017 Draft thread. 5th pick and 10th pick.

dozencousins · Post #2141 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:57 pm

VeganKingsFan wrote:A three team trade involving the Kings has LaMarcus Aldridge being shipped back to Portland. The proposed trade has Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard and draft considerations going to Sacramento and San Antonio. More to come as we hear the details.

Such a deal would have to include A.A. & maybe Koufas

Does this sound realistic? lol

VeganKingsFan · Post #2142 » by **VeganKingsFan** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:01 pm

dozencousins wrote:
VeganKingsFan wrote:A three team trade involving the Kings has LaMarcus Aldridge being shipped back to Portland. The proposed trade has Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard and draft considerations going to Sacramento and San Antonio. More to come as we hear the details.

Such a deal would have to include A.A. & maybe Koufas

Does this sound realistic? lol

Why would it? Those teams are trying to clear salary. We have lots of space. AA especially makes no sense. Why make another team waive him when we can? And you wrote in my quote lol

VeganKingsFan · Post #2143 » by **VeganKingsFan** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:03 pm

I don't think it would take much to get Drummond. Maybe they move up from 12 to 10 if they really want Zach Collins or someone, and we send them Kosta Koufos? I think a lot of teams wouldn't want Drummond's contract. It's hard to judge Drummond's value, or lack there of.

dozencousins · Post #2144 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:06 pm

VeganKingsFan wrote:
dozencousins wrote:
VeganKingsFan wrote:A three team trade involving the Kings has LaMarcus Aldridge being shipped back to Portland. The proposed trade has Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard and draft considerations going to Sacramento and San Antonio. More to come as we hear the details.

Such a deal would have to include A.A. & maybe Koufas

Does this sound realistic? lol

Why would it? Those teams are trying to clear salary. We have lots of space. AA especially makes no sense. Why make another team waive him when we can? And you wrote in my quote lol

I don't believe that type of deal would happen though it could .

Did not mean to write in your quote lol .
Sorry wasn't intentional .

If such a deal happens your right we could just waive him but then why ? That would cost us 2 million instead of the Blazers . If you are taking on 2 horrible contracts costing you many more millions then make them pay A.A. buy out & not us .

VeganKingsFan · Post #2145 » by **VeganKingsFan** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:09 pm

dozencousins wrote:
VeganKingsFan wrote:
dozencousins wrote:

Why would it? Those teams are trying to clear salary. We have lots of space. AA especially makes no sense. Why make another team waive him when we can? And you wrote in my quote lol

I don't believe that type of deal would happen though it could .

Did not mean to write in your quote lol .
Sorry wasn't intentional .

If such a deal happens your right we could just waive him but then why ? That would cost us 2 million instead of the Blazers . If you are taking on 2 horrible contracts costing you many more millions then make them pay A.A. buy out & not us .

That 2 million in luxury tax money would be much, much more for them. They value the shedding of salary much more highly than us, so why worsen the trade and get back less valuable assets. How much it helps Portland determines how much value we get back, so we should be looking to help them shed as much salary as possible so we get better picks from them.

mos_def · Post #2146 » by **mos_def** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:09 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
mos_def wrote:I would consider a trade down with Minny if they threw in Rubio.

I think Minny is trying to figure this out. At the beginning of last year - they definitely wanted Rubio gone but there were no takers. Then he started playing better at the end of the season. If they just want a salary dump (after the draft) we have Afflalo. We might be able to "steal" him without giving up any assets. Not probably but possible depending on what Minny wants to do...

I think Fox/Rubio wouldn't be too bad at all at PG.

that would be the worst shooting PG tandem ever. I was thinking trade Rubio and get a SF like Tatum or Issac at 5 and whoever at 10

VeganKingsFan · Post #2147 » by **VeganKingsFan** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:12 pm

I'm tired of hearing these Ricky Rubio trade ideas. He does not fit our timeline, is not a mentor. What can he possibly do for our team besides help us win a couple more games to get a worse draft pick while taking minutes from younger players?.......................................................... Makes no sense at all.

dozencousins · Post #2148 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:14 pm

VeganKingsFan wrote:
dozencousins wrote:
VeganKingsFan wrote:Why would it? Those teams are trying to clear salary. We have lots of space. AA especially makes no sense. Why make another team waive him when we can? And you wrote in my quote lol

I don't believe that type of deal would happen though it could .

Did not mean to write in your quote lol .
Sorry wasn't intentional .

If such a deal happens your right we could just waive him but then why ? That would cost us 2 million instead of the Blazers . If you are taking on 2 horrible contracts costing you many more millions then make them pay A.A. buy out & not us .

That 2 million in luxury tax money would be much, much more for them. They value the shedding of salary much more highly than us, so why worsen the trade and get back less valuable assets. How much it helps Portland determines how much value we get back, so we should be looking to help them shed as much salary as possible so we get better picks from them.

Well yah of course we would only do such a deal to get picks back . I didn't mention it in my response because I thought that was obvious . lol

I can't see us getting both of really . I would rather get Ezeli , Aminu or Harkless . Maybe 2 of the 3 if needs be . If not Turner & Harkless . I do not want Leonard .

VeganKingsFan · Post #2149 » by **VeganKingsFan** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:15 pm

dozencousins wrote:
VeganKingsFan wrote:
dozencousins wrote:

I don't believe that type of deal would happen though it could .

Did not mean to write in your quote lol .
Sorry wasn't intentional .

If such a deal happens your right we could just waive him but then why ? That would cost us 2 million instead of the Blazers . If you are taking on 2 horrible contracts costing you many more millions then make them pay A.A. buy out & not us .

That 2 million in luxury tax money would be much, much more for them. They value the shedding of salary much more highly than us, so why worsen the trade and get back less valuable assets. How much it helps Portland determines how much value we get back, so we should be looking to help them shed as much salary as possible so we get better picks from them.

Well yah of course we would only do such a deal to get picks back . I didn't mention it in my response because I thought that was obvious . lol

I can't see us getting both of really . I would rather get Ezeli , Aminu or Harkless . Maybe 2 of the 3 if needs be . If not Turner & Harkless . I do not want Leonard .

None of us "want" Leonard. It would be strictly for picks. We might even waive Leonard unless the coaching staff thinks they can develop him.

dozencousins · Post #2150 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:21 pm

VeganKingsFan wrote:
dozencousins wrote:
VeganKingsFan wrote:That 2 million in luxury tax money would be much, much more for them. They value the shedding of salary much more highly than us, so why worsen the trade and get back less valuable assets. How much it helps Portland determines how much value we get back, so we should be looking to help them shed as much salary as possible so we get better picks from them.

Well yah of course we would only do such a deal to get picks back . I didn't mention it in my response because I thought that was obvious . lol

I can't see us getting both of really . I would rather get Ezeli , Aminu or Harkless . Maybe 2 of the 3 if needs be . If not Turner & Harkless . I do not want Leonard .

None of us "want" Leonard. It would be strictly for picks. We might even waive Leonard unless the coaching staff thinks they can develop him.

You don't waive leonard he has 3 years remaining contract is $9,904,495 $10,595,506 $11,286,515 over the next 3 seasons .

If you get him you have to at least play him some and hope another team wants him at the deadline .
Same goes if you don't want anyone else you get in a take on contract situation .
You do not just waive 3 years of 30 + million .

dozencousins · Post #2151 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:23 pm

Also to follow up . If we got Leonard I see that as a sign that we would be dealing Koufas or maybe though I don't think so dealing Stein in a deal to trade up possibly from the 10 spot ?

VeganKingsFan · Post #2152 » by **VeganKingsFan** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:23 pm

dozencousins wrote:
VeganKingsFan wrote:
dozencousins wrote:
Well yah of course we would only do such a deal to get picks back . I didn't mention it in my response because I thought that was obvious . lol

I can't see us getting both of really . I would rather get Ezeli , Aminu or Harkless . Maybe 2 of the 3 if needs be . If not Turner & Harkless . I do not want Leonard .

None of us "want" Leonard. It would be strictly for picks. We might even waive Leonard unless the coaching staff thinks they can develop him.

You don't waive leonard he has 3 years remaining contract is $9,904,495 $10,595,506 $11,286,515 over the next 3 seasons .

If you get him you have to at least play him some and hope another team wants him at the deadline .
Same goes if you don't want anyone else you get in a take on contract situation .
You do not just waive 3 years of 30 + million .

We aren't going to get something for him at any point. We're obviously not on the same page. We are trading cap space for picks, not trying to resurrect a bad player to try to get an asset for him. We won't need the salary for 3 years. Waiving makes sense. Nobody will want him from us unless we give up assets, which makes no sense...

dozencousins · Post #2153 » by **dozencousins** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:29 pm

VeganKingsFan wrote:
dozencousins wrote:
VeganKingsFan wrote:None of us "want" Leonard. It would be strictly for picks. We might even waive Leonard unless the coaching staff thinks they can develop him.

You don't waive leonard he has 3 years remaining contract is $9,904,495 $10,595,506 $11,286,515 over the next 3 seasons .

If you get him you have to at least play him some and hope another team wants him at the deadline .
Same goes if you don't want anyone else you get in a take on contract situation .
You do not just waive 3 years of 30 + million .

We aren't going to get something for him at any point. We're obviously not on the same page. We are trading cap space for picks, not trying to resurrect a bad player to try to get an asset for him. We won't need the salary for 3 years. Waiving makes sense. Nobody will want him from us unless we give up assets, which makes no sense...

I don't want him either but waiving 3 years 30 + million makes no sense .

Anyways I heard many possibilities via my source of us doing a deal with portland . I had heard this possibility before but we were not very big on this combination so I am wondering were you heard this at ?

VeganKingsFan · Post #2154 » by **VeganKingsFan** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:32 pm

dozencousins wrote:Also to follow up . If we got Leonard I see that as a sign that we would be dealing Koufas or maybe though I don't think so dealing Stein in a deal to trade up possibly from the 10 spot ?

Leonard's contract isn't the one playing basketball. You don't play a player just because he is paid a lot, and you especially don't trade someone away to play someone who sucks. I want Koufos traded for a pick either way, but not because of getting Meyers Leonard lol. Do you not realize he's 7'1" and got 0.4 blocks per game and shot 38% FG?....

Post #2155 » by **City of Trees** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:34 pm

"Serious interest in Drummond"

Perry was in Detroit when they drafted Drummond so it makes sense. However where does that leave WCS and Papagiannis. Who's the odd man out? Has Willie expressed his feelings to leave? Is this all smoke?

10/Koufos for 12/Drummond is more than fair since Drummond has a huge cap hit and Det needs flexibility.

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jeffjtk1234 · Post #2156 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:40 pm

City of Trees wrote:"Serious interest in Drummond"

Perry was in Detroit when they drafted Drummond so it makes sense. However where does that leave WCS and Papagiannis. Who's the odd man out? Has Willie expressed his feelings to leave? Is this all smoke?

10/Koufos for 12/Drummond is more than fair since Drummond has a huge cap hit and Det needs flexibility.

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I'd want to try to get Stanley Johnson somehow.

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VeganKingsFan · Post #2157 » by **VeganKingsFan** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:41 pm

City of Trees wrote:"Serious interest in Drummond"

Perry was in Detroit when they drafted Drummond so it makes sense. However where does that leave WCS and Papagiannis. Who's the odd man out? Has Willie expressed his feelings to leave? Is this all smoke?

10/Koufos for 12/Drummond is more than fair since Drummond has a huge cap hit and Det needs flexibility.

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I think Willie can split time between the 4 and 5, especially if he keeps working on his shot. Papa is someone we need to keep developing and figure out later if he's going to be good. A 3 big of rotation of Skal, Willie and Drummond would be pretty nice potential-wise if Willie can hit those corner 3's. However, I have this feeling Willie might not be that strongly entrenched in the plans of our management, so we could end up trading him for a decent asset.

benchmobbin02 · Post #2158 » by **benchmobbin02** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:55 pm

City of Trees wrote:"Serious interest in Drummond"

Perry was in Detroit when they drafted Drummond so it makes sense. However where does that leave WCS and Papagiannis. Who's the odd man out? Has Willie expressed his feelings to leave? Is this all smoke?

10/Koufos for 12/Drummond is more than fair since Drummond has a huge cap hit and Det needs flexibility.

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I can see that happening. Makes sense with what will be there at 10 compared to 12, cap space for both teams and having Drummond's defense and rebounding next to Skal would be nice.

So the only question would be like you said is WCS on the move?

He is definitely the most likely player on roster that we can get a pick for and that teams have interest in. Interesting if this happens...

jeffjtk1234 · Post #2159 » by **jeffjtk1234** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:56 pm

I just think joerger could do wonders with drummond

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benchmobbin02 · Post #2160 » by **benchmobbin02** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:59 pm

jeffjtk1234 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:"Serious interest in Drummond"

Perry was in Detroit when they drafted Drummond so it makes sense. However where does that leave WCS and Papagiannis. Who's the odd man out? Has Willie expressed his feelings to leave? Is this all smoke?

10/Koufos for 12/Drummond is more than fair since Drummond has a huge cap hit and Det needs flexibility.

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I'd want to try to get Stanley Johnson somehow.

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We'd have to give them a young player or a pick.

Not sure I want him with how bad offensively he was last year.