2017 Draft night/Undrafted FA/Summer League thread

[leoshes]

Every draft site up to date.

http://walterfootball.com/nbadraftdata.php

[Dr_Heat]

First.

Spoiler:

"You're not first. You're not even a contender. Remember that."

I would trade the #14 pick for a chance at those 2

[Chalm Down]

Someone tell me how to feel about all the possible guys that could be in miami's range lol

Anybody but skinny Oden (Giles)

anyone we should be hoping to fall to us? (Other than leaf...)

[Burnie Riley]

Did anybody catch the quick draft talk on Lebatard this morning? Mike Ryan sounded excited about TJ Leaf and Stugotz said Harry Giles and then Dan asked him to read his stats and when he said 3.9 pts and 3.8 reb everybody laughed

[Bishop45]

Someone tell me how to feel about all the possible guys that could be in miami's range lol

Anybody but skinny Oden (Giles)

anyone we should be hoping to fall to us? (Other than leaf...)

Anunoby, Zach Collins

Far, far fetched but Malik Monk and Frank Ntilikina as well but Leaf

[IggieCC]

Someone tell me how to feel about all the possible guys that could be in miami's range lol

Zach Collins, Leaf, Justin Jackson got the most votes in the previous thread. But I think more people said they liked Mitchell in the last couple days. A lot of people will be okay with Kennard too. Markkanen would be 2015 ecstatic all over again, maybe?

Spoiler:

After our piece taking a look at wing players on the Heat’s radar earlier in the week, here’s some feedback from two scouts – and what we’re hearing – on power rotation players who were invited to work out for the Heat, with Miami owning the 14th pick in Thursday’s draft:

• UCLA power forward TJ Leaf.

First scout: “He can shoot, has a little bit of a postup game and handles pretty well. He’s a true four [power forward]. If he’s your pick at 14, that’s a good pick. He’s going to be a good player. Some question his toughness, but I don’t know about that. Not real bulky. More of a stretch, skilled four as opposed to a Charles Oakley type. There are defensive concerns, but the Heat can make him a better defensive player.”

Second scout: “People question his defense a little bit, but nobody plays with a traditional power forward anymore. He can stretch the floor. He runs and rebounds pretty well. Good enough athlete and has got a little edge to him.”

The view here: The Heat likes him and he will be strongly considered if available at 14.

• Duke center/power forward Harry Giles, who could fall to Miami’s range because of three knee procedures (two on one knee, one on the other).

First scout: “Before the knee surgeries, he was this unbelievable guy who separated himself from the pack. I saw him at Duke; he’s still pretty lively and quick, but not the athlete he was pre-injuries. People say he has a face up game. But I saw him as a back-to-the-basket guy. The one clear skill he has is rebounding. What you saw last year isn’t everything you’re going to see. How much has he truly lost with the injuries and how much more can he grow? I think he would be worth the risk at 14.”

Second scout: “I have serious doubts about him. One of the big issues is confidence in the knee. What is he going to be like mentally in a crowd in an NBA game with those knees? It’s too much of a damn risk at 14.”

The view here: Cannot be ruled out for Miami, but there is concern inside the Heat about his knees, and he canceled a scheduled Heat workout for an unknown reason. Not sure the upside is big enough for the risk.

• Gonzaga center Zach Collins.

First scout: “I haven’t done him, but two scouts told me he would be the steal of the draft.”

Second scout: “They would be lucky if he’s there at 14. He can score. He’s tough. He can shoot the ball. North Carolina is lucky he got in foul trouble in the national championship game. He might be a stretch five or stretch four. Versatile and very talented.”

The view here: The Heat likes him and he would be highly appealing if he slips to 14.

• Wake Forest forward/center John Collins.

First scout: “Has a post game, can rebound, very good shot-blocker. He’s going to be a good pro. Little undersized for a five. Has some face up game, but more of an inside guy. Doesn’t have three-point range.”

Second scout: “Don’t really like him. In today’s game, what does he do at an NBA level? I don’t know. I think he’s an end of the first round talent. I don’t see him defending stretch fours [power forwards] and he can’t guard a five [center]. He’s not long. Can he stretch it to the three-point line? That remains to be seen. He scores a lot around the basket in college, and I don’t think he’s going to be able to do that [as well] in the NBA.”

The view here: The Heat liked his workout last week, but a Western Conference official mentioned an issue that concerns some teams. (That issue is not performance, not legal and not character related. Character is not an issue). Hasn’t yet shown the three-point range necessary to be an ideal fit playing with Hassan Whiteside.

• UCLA power forward/center Ike Anigbogu.

First scout: “He is the mystery guy because you’re going on very little sample size [averaged 13 minutes as a freshman at UCLA]. The one thing we know is he can block shots.”

Second scout: “You watch highlights on him and say, ‘Holy [bleep]!’ He can run jump, tremendous offensive rebounder. Long arms. But he’s raw as hell and he’s another guy that’s an upside play. Doesn’t start on his college team. Not expecting a whole lot from him next year.”

The view here: He intrigues the Heat, but No. 14 seems a bit too high for a developmental big man.

• Texas center Jarrett Allen.

Second scout: “An enigma. So talented but doesn’t play hard all the time. A role of the dice. Upside play that is as talented as any player in the draft but you just don’t what you’re going to get.”

The view here: See Anigbogu.

• Creighton center Justin Patton.

Second scout: “I like him. Can do a lot of things. The only thing that can hold him back is immaturity, not uncommon for a young big kid. He could be gone by 10.”

The view here: Diverse skills but didn’t help himself in his Heat workout.

• The scouts thought 14 would be too high for Cal forward Ivan Rabb.

First scout: “His stock went down. Runs kind of funny. Going to be able to rebound, got somewhat of a postgame. I don’t think he has three-point range. I think he will be a solid play, but I wouldn’t take him at 14.”

Second scout: “I wouldn’t take him at 14. What does he do at an elite level?”

The view here: Not worthy of the 14th pick.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article157503269.html

I am not a fan, but I believe we could turn TJ Leaf into a good player. Zach Collins or Lauri Markkanen could become much more. I'd prefer Patton to Leaf as well, but he's less of a sure thing. Leaf can give you shooting at least right now. He can also pass the ball. As I said before, Patton will need to be guided, but I'm confident we can make him special.

Spoiler:

I'd really like to see us somehow acquire a mid-20s pick to draft Oyeleye, Bell, Swanigan, Rabb, or Thornwell (may even be deep 2nd rounder.)

Here is my list by position. I charted the 62 best players. I think other internationals like Vezenkov will sneak in in addition, just for their rights, but knocking some of these guys (Dotson, Reed, Wiley?) out. I classify as lottery/first-round/total. My total is 62 instead of 60, but probably only 55 of these players get drafted at all.

Spoiler:

PG (5/7/11): Markelle Fultz, Lonzo Ball, De’Aaron Fox, Dennis Smith, Frank Ntilikina, Derrick White (PG/SG), Jawun Evans, Frank Mason, Edmond Sumner, Nigel Williams-Goss, Monte Morris

SG (3/4/14): Malik Monk, Donovan Mitchell, Luke Kennard, Terrance Ferguson (SG/SF), Frank Jackson, Sindarius Thornwell, Tyler Dorsey, Wesley Iwundu, Sterling Brown, LJ Peak, Josh Hart, PJ Dozier, Damyean Dotson, Davon Reed

SF (3/5/10): Josh Jackson, Jayson Tatum, Jonathan Isaac (SF/PF), OG Anunoby (SF/PF), Justin Jackson, Semi Ojeleye (SF/PF), Tyler Lydon (SF/PF), Dillon Brooks, Alberto Abalde, Devin Robinson (SF/PF), Jaron Blossongame (SF/PF)

PF (3/8/18): Lauri Markkanen, Zach Collins (PF/C), John Collins, TJ Leaf, DJ Wilson, Caleb Swanigan (PF/C), Ivan Rabb (PF/C), Isaiah Hartenstein (PF/C), Jordan Bell, Johnathan Motley (PF/C), Kyle Kuzma, Alec Peters (PF), Mathias Lessort (PF/C), Jonah Bolden, Cameron Oliver, Vlatko Cancar, Isaiah Hicks, Jake Wiley

C: (0/6/9) Ike Anigbogu, Jarrett Allen, Harry Giles, Justin Patton, Bam Adebayo, Anzejs Pasecniks, Thomas Bryant, Tony Bradley, Jonathan Jeanne

Last draft notes:
-I like Mitchell but concerned about his upside, don't think he will be the same scorer on the next level or have the same role and doesn't have much upside doing much else. His 3-pt shot isn't reliable yet and his defensive versatility/offensive IQ is still in question for me. Not sure if he'll be real effective in other roles but 6'10 Wingspan is a good bet, so I would roll with him but not too high on him

- Love Patton's upside, if he can get to a point where he's shooting a good volume on 3's (Like 3 3FGA's a game) then he would be havoc on the next level. He's just soft, hope I'm not letting that blind me too much but I've already seen him do things I would never want to see another competitor do, not sure if he really cares to play ball that much

- Leaf's the highest IQ player in our range with the best combination of upside and offensive polish but Anunoby/ZCollins also have really high defensive potential, hopefully we have those options for us at the very least

- I feel like moving ups a real possibility if we want it, lot of insecurity in the top 10

- Please, deer god, no Giles.

Honestly looking at most of these names at 14....we might be smart to trade the pick.

I simply see no ideal pick.

Luke Kennard - Really like his game, but SG isn't really a need, and he probably won't go past #12.

OG Anunoby SF/PF - reallyl ike his upside, but until he improves his outside shot, he's a bad fit here.

Donovan Mitchell - really not impressed. very limited upside IMO

Semi Ojeleye SF/PF - good fit, nice player, older.

Zach Collins - reminds me of Andrea Bargnani. Enough said.

Justin Jackson - nice player, would ne a lot of more excited about him if he added 30 pounds and played PF.

TJ Leaf - hate to admit it, but despite limited upside and astonishing whiteness, might be best fit from above options. Not very exciting but kinda safe, won't bust but won't be very good either probably. Skillset and character fit. Maybe if he can really become a high volume very good 3 point shooter could become a steal?


There's no "home run" type hit we can make IMO, trade should be on table.

[Bishop45]

Woj looks too much like that guy from The Office that wears the glasses

[IggieCC]

brb

[Burnie Riley]

Was listening to Kevin Pelton Chad Ford podcast. Ford says there may be some questions about Anunoby's medicals and said people might be mad they pass on Giles as a potential Kevin Garnett in favor of Luke Kennard.

[leoshes]

I just want a 2 way player. I dont want someone who cant defend his own position.

[Rapaz]

Rapaz's 2017 Miami HEAT Do Not Draft List:

Anybody from Duke
TJ Leaf (might as well be from Duke)
Justin Jackson
OG Anunoby

[MettaWorldPanda]

Woj reporting Wolves and Bulls in serious talks for Butler.

[Chalm Down]

Shams is always so stoic

[MettaWorldPanda]

Read on Twitter

[Chalm Down]

Ngl Leaf hype is intensifying

[twozeroMM]

Woj reporting Wolves and Bulls in serious talks for Butler.

This would be huge if Minny can pull this off. Hopefully a better fit next to KAT and Wiggins then Levine.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Ngl Leaf hype is intensifying

I'm in with Leafsquad. Took me long enough

[Mos_Heat]

Chalms is always so stoic

[Burnie Riley]

Was listening to Kevin Pelton Chad Ford podcast. Ford says there may be some questions about Anunoby's medicals and said people might be mad they pass on Giles as a potential Kevin Garnett in favor of Luke Kennard.

Not related to the draft, but Ford said the Lakers should be concerned if Paul George goes to a place like Cleveland or Miami because me may not want to leave Lebron or Miami

[Mos_Heat]

I'm on Anunoby/Mitchell/Nikotina train