Official: Jimmy Butler, #16 to Minnesota for Lavine, Dunn, #7 - merged/Justin Patton injured

Kylo · Post #801 » by **Kylo** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:15 am

So happy to finally get rid of Butler, the dark cloud this team has to deal with for the last few years. We can finally start over and I can love this team again.

Susan · Post #802 » by **Susan** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:15 am

FriedRise wrote:I'm sure their justification was, "We got multiple first round picks for Jimmy, and one of them (Dunn) we were really high on!"

If I'm trying to be optimistic: at least we'll finally get to see what Hoiball will look like...? Considering we got rid of Thibs, Rose, and Jimmy for Fred, might as well see what he's got to offer.

Considering we got rid of MJ, Scottie, and Phil for Tim, might as well see what he's got to offer.

kurtatx · Post #803 » by **kurtatx** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:15 am

Rerisen wrote:
kurtatx wrote:John Paxson has done it before. He was an excellent GM.

Done want, spent years building a team that peaked not much above the team we just blew apart by trading Jimmy.

Despite having a handful of top 10 picks.

Yeah, spending the next 5 years to go in a big circle back to 45 wins sounds fun.

And without a franchise talent that's exactly the best case that is realistic.

You have waaaaayy too many posts on this board to be this irrational.

Paxson43 · Post #804 » by **Paxson43** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:16 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:The perceived lack of return in this trade should.be an excellent proxy in determining the size of irritant that Jimmy had become in the Bulls organisation.

Bingo, the Bulls wanted this dude off their roster, badly.

I'm happy for Fred, honestly, and I'm hoping he can get these youngn's to buy in and play hard for him. Much better than having the Jimmy Butlers of the world disrupting practice and flat-out refusing to run certain sets from your offense.

nomorezorro · Post #805 » by **nomorezorro** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:16 am

Read on Twitter

normal team thought process: right on dump bad contracts on us for assets baby
our team thought process: oh they'll just let this expire huh

HoopsterJones · Post #806 » by **HoopsterJones** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:16 am

Giles is there at 16. Man...

jc23 · Post #807 » by **jc23** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:16 am

I understand why the media pundits and fans feel we were fleeced, but its a bit too early to tell. Wolves got the best player that is forsure and with that we were never going to get a better player then Jimmy back in return.

Wilbon and Jalen are just haters, i bet Jalen thought we did a good job signing wade and rondo last summer and wilbon is always a grumpy puss.

Its obvious the FO is pro Hoiberg, now there will be no excuses, he can pick his players and the 7 footer with the 3 ball is definitely a Hoiberg kind of player. Chicago can be bad next season but we better see glimpses of improvement, Dunn needs to take that spoh leap.

Bomba Navarro · Post #808 » by **Bomba Navarro** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:16 am

Kylo wrote:So happy to finally get rid of Butler, the dark cloud this team has to deal with for the last few years. We can finally start over and I can love this team again.

He'll still be sticking your gf dude.

tiffac · Post #809 » by **tiffac** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:16 am

Mark K wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:This isn't directed at you, Mark. I'm just replying to the general premise of these two posts.

I was always reluctant about a Butler trade because I just simply didn't trust Gar Forman to make a good trade. Here are all my issues with the trade:

1.) We didn't get a top 3 pick.
2.) We INCLUDED a 1st round pick.
3.) The best piece in the trade is a player that's reliant on his athleticism and is overcoming a big injury.

I don't think any fan wanted this trade, but I think this validates a lot of posters who early on complained about GarPax as GMs. We've been with these guys for 13 years and it's all been a colossal waste of time.

The concept of trading Butler was right. I stand by that and will do so. But only getting back the 7th pick, Kris Dunn, whose value has plummetted, and Zach LaVine, who's recovering from an ACL injury, is terrible value for Butler.

Yes, it sets the Bulls on the path of a rebuild, but they received no quality pieces back. LaVine will never be more impactful than Butler.

The fact they included 16 as part of the deal is ridiculous. Thibs killed the Bulls today.

Exactly, maybe I could have stomached it a little if we didn't include #16. Directionless tanking ahoy!

Mech Engineer · Post #810 » by **Mech Engineer** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:17 am

Jimmy was a problem, Thibs was a problem, Derrick was a problem but GarPax are not a problem. We can see the truth here.
Anyways, atleast they picked a lane and stopped being half-pregnant. They never had the balls to go all-in to spend on vets and build a over-the-cap team which requires creativity, lots of trades etc...

Bulls1983 · Post #811 » by **Bulls1983** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:17 am

How stupid it is that we gave up the #16 pick?!

theanimal23 · Post #812 » by **theanimal23** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:17 am

What is GarPax infatuation on players they've liked from the beginning but may not even pan out?
Al Harrington
Cam Payne
Doug McDermott
Kris Dunn

Who all am I missing?

Green_teamer · Post #813 » by **Green_teamer** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:17 am

Question do you think a Celtics offer of 3 and Crowder would of ben better than this offer you guys got?

3 and crowder for Butler

No #16 involved. Just curious

WindyCityBorn · Post #814 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:17 am

Red8911 wrote:Once again this was all about money. They didn't want to pay Jimmy that super max. Fk them

Why would they pay the super max to an aging non-superstar on team that isn't contending for anything? I'm glad that we haven't locked ourselves into mediocrity with Butler for the next seven years. Hopefully we have a lot of great young talent meshing together by the time the Warriors run is over.

musiqsoulchild · Post #815 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:17 am

HomoSapien wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
BeatDaCavs420 wrote:Gar it's draft night. get back to making things worse for our team and get off realgm!

You don't want to piss me off, if you think I am who you are.

I just might trade for Melo to make your offseason a sweet syrupy mess.

Honest question. Do you think GarPax are good at building a basketball team?

It's not that simple. Infact, it's far too complex to let just basketball be the benchmark on which to decide such things.

We don't know what's next. The offseason isn't done yet. One thing I do know....Butler has actively tried to resist / fight 4 important power centers that were drafted/hired by GarPax:

1) Rose
2) Noah
3) Fred
4) Rondo

My bet is that we do all we can to also get rid of Wade.

kurtatx · Post #816 » by **kurtatx** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:18 am

tiffac wrote:
Mark K wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:This isn't directed at you, Mark. I'm just replying to the general premise of these two posts.

I was always reluctant about a Butler trade because I just simply didn't trust Gar Forman to make a good trade. Here are all my issues with the trade:

1.) We didn't get a top 3 pick.
2.) We INCLUDED a 1st round pick.
3.) The best piece in the trade is a player that's reliant on his athleticism and is overcoming a big injury.

I don't think any fan wanted this trade, but I think this validates a lot of posters who early on complained about GarPax as GMs. We've been with these guys for 13 years and it's all been a colossal waste of time.

The concept of trading Butler was right. I stand by that and will do so. But only getting back the 7th pick, Kris Dunn, whose value has plummetted, and Zach LaVine, who's recovering from an ACL injury, is terrible value for Butler.

Yes, it sets the Bulls on the path of a rebuild, but they received no quality pieces back. LaVine will never be more impactful than Butler.

The fact they included 16 as part of the deal is ridiculous. Thibs killed the Bulls today.

Exactly, maybe I could have stomached it a little if we didn't include #16. Directionless tanking ahoy!

Tanking is, by definition, a direction.

Red8911 · Post #817 » by **Red8911** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:18 am

Rerisen wrote:
kurtatx wrote:John Paxson has done it before. He was an excellent GM.

Done want, spent years building a team that peaked not much above the team we just blew apart by trading Jimmy.

Despite having a handful of top 10 picks.

Yeah, spending the next 5 years to go in a big circle back to 45 wins sounds fun.

And without a franchise talent that's exactly the best case that is realistic.

exactly all he's gona do is put us back to where we were yesterday... Hasn't done sht with rose or Jimmy.

Costa78 · Post #818 » by **Costa78** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:18 am

My biggest issue with this trade is giving up 16. Honestly, if Lavigne gets back his athleticism, Dunn plays to his potential, and Markannen is decent, the trade isn't bad. I want to believe Dunn was plagued by the Thibs no rookie plays policy. He was a stud in Summer League last year. Trying to look on the bright side, but this hurts right now

tiffac · Post #819 » by **tiffac** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:18 am

nomorezorro wrote:

Read on Twitter

normal team thought process: right on dump bad contracts on us for assets baby
our team thought process: oh they'll just let this expire huh

Can they get Melo with that? :lol:

Post #820 » by **HomoSapien** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:18 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
You don't want to piss me off, if you think I am who you are.

I just might trade for Melo to make your offseason a sweet syrupy mess.

Honest question. Do you think GarPax are good at building a basketball team?

It's not that simple. Infact, it's far too complex to let just basketball be the benchmark on which to decide such things.

We don't know what's next. The offseason isn't done yet. One thing I do know....Butler has actively tried to resist / fight 4 important power centers that were drafted/hired by GarPax:

1) Rose
2) Noah
3) Fred
4) Rondo

My bet is that we do all we can to also get rid of Wade.

No, don't deflect the question.

You've had 13 years to judge this front-office. What is your opinion on them?