Official: Jimmy Butler, #16 to Minnesota for Lavine, Dunn, #7 - merged/Justin Patton injured

Post #1041 » by **Rerisen** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:20 am

Just go get Hinkie.

Would be a much better move than the Butler trade.

Watch the Bulls instead start trying to actually put positive pieces in now.... :banghead:

WindyCityBorn · Post #1042 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:20 am

Ctownbulls wrote:Can't believe Bulls are going to win under 20 games next year and suck for the next 5...by the time 2022 rolls around the Bulls will have had 1 really competitive season in 25 years...

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Give me next week's lotto numbers since you know so much.

Ctownbulls · Post #1043 » by **Ctownbulls** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:20 am

Bulls have worst coach, worst front office and bottom 3 roster. And people thought winning 40 games and watching a fun playoff series was "NBA Hell"...

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musiqsoulchild · Post #1044 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:20 am

kulaz3000 wrote:If Wade declines his second year.

Lopez/Lauri/Felicio
Lauri/Portis
Porter (Otto)/Zipser
LaVine/Denzel
Dunn/Rondo or we get someone like Beverly

That's a pretty interesting team. We suddenly become really athletic, long and have plenty of shooters. Extremely young though, and likely to miss out on the playoffs, but I don't think we'd be a bottom 5 team though for fans of anyone from next seasons draft class.

Yup....folks havent got the memo yet. This team WILL NOT TANK.

Nor any other version of the Bulls. Reinsdorf (SR.) has to sign off on that. Its not going to happen. Not intentionally at least.

chrispatrick · Post #1045 » by **chrispatrick** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:21 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
chrispatrick wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
ONLY 4 years younger. 23 is pretty damn young. Jimmy wasn't doing anything at that age under Thibs.

At the time, Butler was the 2nd best player on a 40 something win team and had a great on/off court rating that he maintained every year of his career. He had not developed offensively but was a top 5-10 defensive player in the NBA.

What did Butler do his rookie season after 4 years of college?

He didn't play. As soon as he was put on the court, he made a positive impact.

There aren't many cases of good players who at one point looked like crap on the court.

Jax Teller · Post #1046 » by **Jax Teller** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:21 am

Proves two things we already knew. The front office and managment are stupid AND cheap. They were going to trade Butler no matter what because there was no way they would pay ANY player $200 million. So they trade him for a guy who just blew out his ACL, another guy who was very dissapointing as a rookie, and draft a guy who will likely amount to not much. And they give up their first round pick as well. Reinsdorf cares nothing about the fans, nothing. This Bulls team could end up winning less than 30 games. And anyone who says we will be in great position to bring in free agents next year needs psychiatric help. No one of quality will sign here, no one.

TheSuzerain · Post #1047 » by **TheSuzerain** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:21 am

Jcool0 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
ONLY 4 years younger. 23 is pretty damn young. Jimmy wasn't doing anything at that age under Thibs.

At age 23, Jimmy started 12 playoff games and averaged 40 minutes per game in the playoffs under Thibs.

Any more brain busters?

And if Jimmy actually had any offense game then the Bulls might not have got bounced 4-1 to Miami.

Jimmy led the team in scoring in that series and had a TS% of 58%.

This is like debating with 8 year olds.

Ctownbulls · Post #1048 » by **Ctownbulls** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:21 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
Ctownbulls wrote:Can't believe Bulls are going to win under 20 games next year and suck for the next 5...by the time 2022 rolls around the Bulls will have had 1 really competitive season in 25 years...

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Give me next week's lotto numbers since you know so much.

Fine. Over/under 60 wins for the Bulls over the next 2 years. Can we speculate that far?

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musiqsoulchild · Post #1049 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:21 am

Rerisen wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:Wouldnt be a bad team at all. There's be a lot of free flowing offense. Especially, if you resign Niko and trade Wade for Melo.

Trying to build a team that wasn't bad, would be utterly incomprehensible right now.

This trade hasn't set up virtually anything. The best thing it could possibly set up is helping us be the worst next year. Maybe even for 2 or 3 years. If that wasn't the plan, then it was a huge blunder.

If we are terribad, then thats an unintentional consequence. It wont be an actively sought out result.

Post #1050 » by **Rerisen** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:22 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:If Wade declines his second year.

Lopez/Lauri/Felicio
Lauri/Portis
Porter (Otto)/Zipser
LaVine/Denzel
Dunn/Rondo or we get someone like Beverly

That's a pretty interesting team. We suddenly become really athletic, long and have plenty of shooters. Extremely young though, and likely to miss out on the playoffs, but I don't think we'd be a bottom 5 team though for fans of anyone from next seasons draft class.

Yup....folks havent got the memo yet. This team WILL NOT TANK.

Nor any other version of the Bulls. Reinsdorf (SR.) has to sign off on that. Its not going to happen. Not intentionally at least.

It's a real bad team, the term tank team is subjective, but most likely its gonna be worst case if they don't clear out more talent, as in really bad but not bottom 3. Utter disaster outcome.

Going after someone like Beverly now would be so counter productive.

WindyCityBorn · Post #1051 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:22 am

Rerisen wrote:I keep going back to one of the top singular complaints that served as rationale for this:

"Jimmy Butler is not a real #1, he can't lead a team to a title."

How is anything we got in this deal a good bet to become the #1 that CAN lead you to a title or to become a top 5 player in the league that Jimmy supposedly wasn't.

Who cares? We will be in the lottery for the foreseeable future so plenty chances to get that #1. We had ZERO chance of doing that with Butler.

Shill · Post #1052 » by **Shill** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:23 am

Rerisen wrote:Just go get Hinkie.

Would be a much better move than the Butler trade.

Watch the Bulls instead start trying to actually put positive pieces in now....

I'd love for Hinkie to come in and oversee the tank.

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bad knees · Post #1053 » by **bad knees** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:24 am

The worst part is that we are going to have watch these three guys get entitlement minutes every night, and every night we are going to be reminded of what a giant clusters--k this trade was. Unbearable.

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Jcool0 · Post #1054 » by **Jcool0** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:24 am

TheSuzerain wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:At age 23, Jimmy started 12 playoff games and averaged 40 minutes per game in the playoffs under Thibs.

Any more brain busters?

And if Jimmy actually had any offense game then the Bulls might not have got bounced 4-1 to Miami.

Jimmy led the team in scoring in that series and had a TS% of 58%.

This is like debating with 8 year olds.

15.6 ppg ... Very impressive....

Post #1055 » by **HomoSapien** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:24 am

One thing that hurts about this trade....

We could have just drafted LaVine instead of McDermott.

chrispatrick · Post #1056 » by **chrispatrick** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:24 am

TheSuzerain wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:At age 23, Jimmy started 12 playoff games and averaged 40 minutes per game in the playoffs under Thibs.

Any more brain busters?

And if Jimmy actually had any offense game then the Bulls might not have got bounced 4-1 to Miami.

Jimmy led the team in scoring in that series and had a TS% of 58%.

This is like debating with 8 year olds.

LOL at comparing Dunn's age 23 season to Butler's age 23 season in which he did a very respectable job against LeBron, who he obviously fell short to but made things difficult for.

CharityStripe34 · Post #1057 » by **CharityStripe34** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:24 am

This will be the easiest League Pass cancellation call, lol.

Jax Teller · Post #1058 » by **Jax Teller** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:24 am

And please tell me the last time this front office won a trade. Other executives around the league must laugh at this brain trust. We had one true trade chip. They needed a huge haul. They mske their "big move" and now we have a roster full of bench players, a college coach, and nothing of value to offer in trades (maybe that's a good thing, GarDorfPax have no clue how to make trades).

SearsTower · Post #1059 » by **SearsTower** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:24 am

BRB, looking at nbadraft.net's 2018 top 5 picks lol

WindyCityBorn · Post #1060 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:24 am

TheSuzerain wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:At age 23, Jimmy started 12 playoff games and averaged 40 minutes per game in the playoffs under Thibs.

Any more brain busters?

And if Jimmy actually had any offense game then the Bulls might not have got bounced 4-1 to Miami.

Jimmy led the team in scoring in that series and had a TS% of 58%.

This is like debating with 8 year olds.

I'm glad you are finding some happiness tonight with your superior memory of Butler's career. I'm happy with the overall direction the organization is taking and you are not so YOU lose overall as a Bulls fan.. Have a good night! :wink: