Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

LukasBMW · Post #161 » by **LukasBMW** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:29 am

Who's a young PG with potential we could swap for Bledsoe?

SkinnyOMiller · Post #162 » by **SkinnyOMiller** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:36 am

LukasBMW wrote:Who's a young PG with potential we could swap for Bledsoe?

Why not just keep Bledsoe? Its not like he's ancient or ultra expensive. Its doubtful that some random PG will be anywhere near as good. Keep Bledsoe and develop Ulis to take over for him in a few years.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #163 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:10 am

I think the Ulis / Booker pairing would be very tempting for the FO long term, because they love talking about the young core chemistry and seemed active in exploring Bledsoe trades in the past few days.

MrMiyagi · Post #164 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:23 am

SkinnyOMiller wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:Who's a young PG with potential we could swap for Bledsoe?

Why not just keep Bledsoe? Its not like he's ancient or ultra expensive. Its doubtful that some random PG will be anywhere near as good. Keep Bledsoe and develop Ulis to take over for him in a few years.

Yeah, overall I'm happy with our "lack of activity". We were inquisitive and looking for a good deal, didn't find one and didn't panic.

Bledsoe/Ulis
Booker/DJJr/Reed
Jackson/Warren
Chriss/Bender
Chandler/Williams

I like the looks of that squad. Our youngins should get plenty of playing time with veteran leadership, plus I think we have well-balanced starters and bench. I think we buy out Knight or find a trade partner.

MrMiyagi · Post #165 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:24 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I think the Ulis / Booker pairing would be very tempting for the FO long term, because they love talking about the young core chemistry and seemed active in exploring Bledsoe trades in the past few days.

I think that's the current course, but Bledsoe being on the roster for the time being is perfectly fine.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #166 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:37 am

From my calculations we have $68m committed to 10 players.

That leaves $30m for 5 players.

Not Included: Len, Williams, Barbosa, Jones, Reed.

So basically it looks we could use the $30m to re-sign those guys or pass to sign others.

I'm personally still keen on Len for around $12m or less, if he's given starters minutes I think he could be a 13 / 10 / 2 player.

Post #167 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:52 am

GoranTragic wrote:
Cutter wrote:Colin Cowherd reported Celtics offered #3, jaylen brown, Jae crowder and another 1st round pick they would aquire tonight for Porzingis.

Knicks would use the 3 to draft Josh Jackson.

FWIW

HOLY ****

Well I can understand NY thinking that was a strange offer trading three SF's for a big.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #168 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:02 am

If Josh Jackson becames transcendent for us, there were a few external events (luck) that went in our favour to get him.

- 76ers / Boston trade = 76ers don't take him at 3.
- Jackson doesn't work out for Boston = Boston don't take him at 3.
- NY reject trade = NY Don't take him at 3
- Lotto Balls = Fultz / Ball gone, Phoenix pick him.

I think we're due for some luck after hearing the Curry non-trade / Leonard sweating stories for a decade.

asudevil · Post #169 » by **asudevil** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:05 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:From my calculations we have $68m committed to 10 players.

That leaves $30m for 5 players.

Not Included: Len, Williams, Barbosa, Jones, Reed.

So basically it looks we could use the $30m to re-sign those guys or pass to sign others.

I'm personally still keen on Len for around $12m or less, if he's given starters minutes I think he could be a 13 / 10 / 2 player.

I have us at just around $74mil.

Bledsoe: 14.5
Knight: 13.62
Chandler: 13
Dudley: 10
Bender: 4.47
Barbosa: 4
Chriss: 3.07
Booker: 2.24
Warren: 3.15
Ulis: 0.91
Jones: 0.9
Jackson: 4.24

The cap will be 99.1, so we have about $25mil to spend on FA.

If my dreams could come true, we'd shed someone like Knight/Dudley for minimal salary return or Barbosa for nothing back. We'd then be able to sign Griffin to the max. Or even S&T Griffin for Warren/Heat 2018 and then resign Sauce.

Chandler/Sauce
Griffin/Chriss
Jackson/Bender/Jones
Booker/Knight/Barbosa
Bledsoe/Ulis

Post #170 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:05 am

JMac1 wrote:Nope

Bledsoe
Booker
JJ
Chris

is four athletic tough dudes. I mean for the first time since Marion and Stat are we athletic. All of those guys (Chandler too) are mean, not punks, but mean.....

Don't sleep on Bender either. We are going to be running...Forrest Gump style.

Forrest Gump style? I mean he won..but...

Watch on YouTube

I will say you mentioning that made me watch some great forrest gump clips.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #171 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:06 am

I didn't include the Barbosa and Jones contract options as I think a decision still has to be made on those.

Revived · Post #172 » by **Revived** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:38 am

LukasBMW wrote:Who's a young PG with potential we could swap for Bledsoe?

Read on Twitter

Post #173 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:53 am

Revived wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:Who's a young PG with potential we could swap for Bledsoe?

Read on Twitter

I've always liked Rubio but for $13-14m a year, I'd rather keep Bledsoe

Mulhollanddrive · Post #174 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:11 am

Free Agency opens in a week.

Be interesting if Len and Williams get offers or if we sort it out ourselves.

NTB · Post #175 » by **NTB** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:56 am

X - Reed - Jackson - Chriss - Bender

lol we are champions of the SL

MrMiyagi · Post #176 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:00 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Free Agency opens in a week.

Be interesting if Len and Williams get offers or if we sort it out ourselves.

Big Sauce:
15.1 MPG 7.4 points 2.0 offensive rebounds 4.2 defensive rebounds 0.6 steals 0.7 blocks 2.7 fouls
PER36 17.6 points 4.8 offensive rebounds 10.1 defensive rebounds 1.4 steals 1.6 blocks 6.4 fouls
In games with 30+ minutes (3 games): 14.0 points 13.7 rebounds 2.0 steals 1.3 blocks 4.3 fouls

Alex Len:
20.3 MPG 8.0 points 2.0 offensive rebounds 4.6 defensive rebounds 0.5 steals 1.3 blocks 3.1 fouls
PER36 14.1 points 3.6 offensive rebounds 8.2 defensive rebounds 0.9 steals 2.3 blocks 5.6 fouls
In games with 30+ minutes (6 games): 12.3 points 11.3 rebounds 0.7 steals 2.7 blocks 3.3 fouls

I say lock up Big Sauce real quick (shouldn't be hard given he's a hometown kid), and let Len go.

MrMiyagi · Post #177 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:02 am

NTB wrote:X - Reed - Jackson - Chriss - Bender

lol we are champions of the SL

Ulis not playing this year? He was one of my favorite things about last year's Summer League squad.

NTB · Post #178 » by **NTB** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:03 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
NTB wrote:X - Reed - Jackson - Chriss - Bender

lol we are champions of the SL

Ulis not playing this year? He was one of my favorite things about last year's Summer League squad.

He had a surgery so yeah unfortunately he won't play.

MrMiyagi · Post #179 » by **MrMiyagi** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:08 am

NTB wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
NTB wrote:X - Reed - Jackson - Chriss - Bender

lol we are champions of the SL

Ulis not playing this year? He was one of my favorite things about last year's Summer League squad.

He had a surgery so yeah unfortunately he won't play.

Ah, that's right. Well, it should be interesting. Maybe we go Jackson - Reed - Jones Jr - Chriss - Bender. Experiment with Jackson running the offense. Not that he'll need to once the season starts, but letting him get some burn wouldn't be a bad thing.

BobbieL · Post #180 » by **BobbieL** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:04 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Hard to see Bledsoe being moved from here, no clear replacement options that make sense for a 2020 run.

At this point, not moved Bledsoe either. I just don't see "Knght" as the guy - his photo on Instagram not withstanding of him working out.

I mention Barbosa as a candidate to not be back from a perspective that if he was traded before July 3 - he only counts 500k against the cap. So for a team trying to save cap money (e.g Houston Rockets for Beverly) - maybe the Suns can have added his contract to make the numbers work and than he is waived.

But at this point - the time to move him was so he could be traded/waived before July 1. I doubt that will happen now. Which is fine - other contracts to move - Knight for Shumpert is my trade and dammit, I am sticking by it.

As for the center position - I think you keep Sauce and see what value there is for Chandler or you let Len walk -- you don't need all three that's for sure.