Woj: Indy/Boston/PG

[jeremym480]

Rabb's Tweet seems like an offer for PG13 on a one-year deal instead of extended for 3 years.

If Ainge can somehow get PG without giving up Tatum, Brown or BRK 18, I will be ecstatic.

Assuming that PG will on sign the extension for Boston or L.A. then Crowder, Zeller (for salary matching), LAL 18, MEM 19 seems better than any offer that the Lakers can make. Also, I don't think that other teams he might be interested in like the Clippers, Spurs or Cavs could top that either.

edit: We would probably have to send Bradley too for cap purposes if PG and Hayward are coming.

[JHFVF07]

I would love to see Magic/Pelinka face if a EXTENDED George got traded to Boston.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I think it's Tatum Crowder and bradley

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Call me crazy but to me that is too much to give up for a one year rental even if that player is Paul George. The Celtics are not near The Cavs in terms of sheer firepower and giving up a very good role player and contract in Crowder + a solid combo guard in Bradley and a extremely promising prospect in Tatum (who you have control over the next 5-6 years) for a gamble is not that smart.

[Green_teamer]

I would love to see Magic/Pelinka face if a EXTENDED George got traded to Boston.

Oh me too would be great

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

the Celtics turned down #3 for Butler

I would have taken Butler over Tatum.

Same. Thankful you didnt because boston crushes anything we have to offer.

[MoneyTalks41890]

They can't give PG a raise and extension though can they because they don't have the cap space and aren't they limited on where the extension can start if they don't give him the raise first via cap?

[MUpacersSIC]

Is the guy reliable? I can't imagine a radio guy getting a scoop ahead of Woj & Stein on a trade of this magnitude.

Appeareantly Heyward and George want to play together and there wives are friends so Word is if we can get Heyward here than George will agree on an extension

If Hayward goes to the Celtics I fully expect George to follow with a 3 year extension. The Pacers want that because it drives up the value quite a bit. An extended George is much more valuable. I know the BKN pick is off the table at this point, but something like this could work...

IND In:
Crowder
Zeller
Smart
2018 LAL/2019 SAC pick
2019 MEM pick

BOS In:
Paul George


Boston after trade and Hayward signing (don't shoot me if depth chart isn't 100% accurate based on your preferences):
PG IT/Rozier/D. Jackson
SG George/Bradley/K. Allen
SF Hayward/Brown
PF Tatum/Mickey?/Ojeleye
C Horford/Olynyk

With the NBA becoming more position less, the Celtics have an amazing amount of players that can play multiple positions. I think this team will be in the Finals within 2 years. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are there next season. If I'm the Celtics, I'd send the 2018 BKN pick to Detroit for Drummond. Drummond would make this team just as good as the Warriors, IMO.

Pacers after trade
PG Smart/Brooks
SG Stephenson/Ellis
SF Crowder/GRIII
PF Young/Leaf/Christmas
C Turner/Anigbogu/Zeller

This team is definitely a lottery team, but honestly, they may not be bad enough in the East to get a top 8 pick. I actually think they could be a 10th place team in the East.

[Wizop]

since proposal didn't involve any 2017 picks, there was no pressure to get it done last night and very good reason to attend to other matters first. Pritchard says he wants to "get past mad" before trading George and that makes sense.

so far the rumors speak of 2019 picks and if I were Pritchard, I'd be asking for Boston's 2018 lottery picks.

[MUpacersSIC]

They can't give PG a raise and extension though can they because they don't have the cap space and aren't they limited on where the extension can start if they don't give him the raise first via cap?

They can extend him once they trade for him, and will have his bird rights to offer him the most. If they wait to sign Hayward first (which they should) they can just send back enough salary to the Pacers to make it work. They're sitting pretty right now.

[Green_teamer]

Is the guy reliable? I can't imagine a radio guy getting a scoop ahead of Woj & Stein on a trade of this magnitude.

Appeareantly Heyward and George want to play together and there wives are friends so Word is if we can get Heyward here than George will agree on an extension

If Heyward goes to the Celtics I fully expect George to follow with a 3 year extension. The Pacers want that because it drives up the value quite a bit. An extended George is much more valuable. I know the BKN pick is off the table at this point, but something like this could work...

IND In:
Crowder
Zeller
Smart
2018 LAL/2019 SAC pick
2019 MEM pick

BOS In:
Paul George


Boston after trade and Hayward signing (don't shoot me if depth chart isn't 100% accurate based on your preferences):
PG IT/Rozier/D. Jackson
SG George/Bradley/K. Allen
SF Hayward/Brown
PF Tatum/Mickey?/Ojeleye
C Horford/Olynyk

With the NBA becoming more position less, the Celtics have an amazing amount of players that can play multiple positions. I think this team will be in the Finals within 2 years. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are there next season. If I'm the Celtics, I'd send the 2018 BKN pick to Detroit for Drummond. Drummond would make this team just as good as the Warriors, IMO.

Pacers after trade
PG Smart/Brooks
SG Stephenson/Ellis
SF Crowder/GRIII
PF Young/Leaf/Christmas
C Turner/Anigbogu/Zeller

This team is definitely a lottery team, but honestly, they may not be bad enough in the East to get a top 8 pick. I actually think they could be a 10th place team in the East.

To get space for Heyward we have to renounce Zeller so we would have to trade you Bradley AND Crowder along with a small piece like Smart or Rozier or Jackson and yeah it would probably be Lal/Sac pick involved too. The deal would probably be

Bradley Crowder Jackson Lal/sac pick and 2019 clipper pick or something and I don't see many teams beating that offer

[HartfordWhalers]

They can't give PG a raise and extension though can they because they don't have the cap space and aren't they limited on where the extension can start if they don't give him the raise first via cap?

They had close to max space for a Hayward run after fiddling stuff. It all depends the details, but I would assume they could send out say Bradley and have plenty of room to give PG a max raise and extension.

[jeremym480]

IND In:
Crowder
Zeller
Smart
2018 LAL/2019 SAC pick
2019 MEM pick

BOS In:
Paul George


Boston after trade and Hayward signing (don't shoot me if depth chart isn't 100% accurate based on your preferences):
PG IT/Rozier/D. Jackson
SG George/Bradley/K. Allen
SF Hayward/Brown
PF Tatum/Mickey?/Ojeleye
C Horford/Olynyk

With the NBA becoming more position less, the Celtics have an amazing amount of players that can play multiple positions. I think this team will be in the Finals within 2 years. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are there next season. If I'm the Celtics, I'd send the 2018 BKN pick to Detroit for Drummond. Drummond would make this team just as good as the Warriors, IMO.

Pacers after trade
PG Smart/Brooks
SG Stephenson/Ellis
SF Crowder/GRIII
PF Young/Leaf/Christmas
C Turner/Anigbogu/Zeller

This team is definitely a lottery team, but honestly, they may not be bad enough in the East to get a top 8 pick. I actually think they could be a 10th place team in the East.

The Celtics depth chart looks pretty good for the most part, but you forgot about Boston's overseas guys. Zizic being with the big club is close to a lock and there's a chance Yaubusele could come over, as well. He and Nader seem like good candidates for two-way contracts. Also, there was a report last week that Boston was signing Daniel Theis, although it's not official yet.

Other than that, I don't think Boston will be able to afford Bradley or Olynyk with both PG13 and Hayward, so I would swap out Smart for Bradley and put Zizic in Olynyk's place.

[MUpacersSIC]

Appeareantly Heyward and George want to play together and there wives are friends so Word is if we can get Heyward here than George will agree on an extension

If Heyward goes to the Celtics I fully expect George to follow with a 3 year extension. The Pacers want that because it drives up the value quite a bit. An extended George is much more valuable. I know the BKN pick is off the table at this point, but something like this could work...

IND In:
Crowder
Zeller
Smart
2018 LAL/2019 SAC pick
2019 MEM pick

BOS In:
Paul George


Boston after trade and Hayward signing (don't shoot me if depth chart isn't 100% accurate based on your preferences):
PG IT/Rozier/D. Jackson
SG George/Bradley/K. Allen
SF Hayward/Brown
PF Tatum/Mickey?/Ojeleye
C Horford/Olynyk

With the NBA becoming more position less, the Celtics have an amazing amount of players that can play multiple positions. I think this team will be in the Finals within 2 years. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are there next season. If I'm the Celtics, I'd send the 2018 BKN pick to Detroit for Drummond. Drummond would make this team just as good as the Warriors, IMO.

Pacers after trade
PG Smart/Brooks
SG Stephenson/Ellis
SF Crowder/GRIII
PF Young/Leaf/Christmas
C Turner/Anigbogu/Zeller

This team is definitely a lottery team, but honestly, they may not be bad enough in the East to get a top 8 pick. I actually think they could be a 10th place team in the East.

To get space for Heyward we have to renounce Zeller so we would have to trade you Bradley AND Crowder along with a small piece like Smart or Rozier or Jackson and yeah it would probably be Lal/Sac pick involved too. The deal would probably be

Bradley Crowder Jackson Lal/sac pick and 2019 clipper pick or something and I don't see many teams beating that offer

Gotcha. Yeah, Boston's salary cap situation is not my strong suit. I'd love to have Smart instead of Jackson. I'd flip Bradley to a third team just because I don't think we'd re-sign him if we are at the beginning of a rebuild. I like him a lot though, so hopefully we'd get something decent in return. I do think Boston and Indiana get something done, and we'd wink right back at Magic.

[MUpacersSIC]

The Celtics depth chart looks pretty good for the most part, but you forgot about Boston's overseas guys. Zizic being with the big club is close to a lock and there's a chance Yaubusele could come over, as well. He and Nader seem like good candidates for two-way contracts. Also, there was a report last week that Boston was signing Daniel Theis, although it's not official yet.

Other than that, I don't think Boston will be able to afford Bradley or Olynyk with both PG13 and Hayward, so I would swap out Smart for Bradley and put Zizic in Olynyk's place.

Forgot about Zizic. Damn, an even better lineup. I'm a huge Butler fan (grew up going to all of their games) so I like seeing Brad Stevens have success. I usually hate Boston teams, no offense (boo Patriots), but I like Stevens and a lot of the Celtics players right now. Tatum is another I think will be really good. You guys have it made at the moment. You can compete and still build for the future.

[Green_teamer]

The Celtics depth chart looks pretty good for the most part, but you forgot about Boston's overseas guys. Zizic being with the big club is close to a lock and there's a chance Yaubusele could come over, as well. He and Nader seem like good candidates for two-way contracts. Also, there was a report last week that Boston was signing Daniel Theis, although it's not official yet.

Other than that, I don't think Boston will be able to afford Bradley or Olynyk with both PG13 and Hayward, so I would swap out Smart for Bradley and put Zizic in Olynyk's place.

Forgot about Zizic. Damn, an even better lineup. I'm a huge Butler fan (grew up going to all of their games) so I like seeing Brad Stevens have success. I usually hate Boston teams, no offense (boo Patriots), but I like Stevens and a lot of the Celtics players right now. Tatum is another I think will be really good. You guys have it made at the moment. You can compete and still build for the future.

If we get Heyward and George this offseason Than we have it made and winning a title shouldn't be hard but if we don't it'll be more difficult but man imagine we do get George for Bradley/Crowder/Jackson lal/sac/Philly pick and clipper pick.

Line up would be

It/Smart/George/Heyward/Hortford
WITH a bench of Taytum/Brown/Zizic with still having Brooklyn 18 and that Memphis pick to further add young talent. We could be loaded.

You basically exchange Bradley and Crowder for George and Heyward and you add a # 3 pick to your team. That team sleepwalks into 60 wins and you can put that team right there with Cleveland as best team in the east. Still doesn't beat GS but they'll get better every year and if an injury happens or if they need to trade Klay due to $ reasons well have a real shot.

[SmartWentCrazy]

the Celtics turned down #3 for Butler

I would have taken Butler over Tatum.

Face value, sure. But that comes at the opportunity cost of adding a max FA. I'd much prefer Tatum/Hayward over Butler.

If you want to create than room after trading for Butler, Bradley and Crowder likely need to go with no salary coming back. Logistically, it's a hard trade to find and would likely result on you selling them very low. Not sure that's really worth it.

[Green_teamer]

the Celtics turned down #3 for Butler

I would have taken Butler over Tatum.

Face value, sure. But that comes at the opportunity cost of adding a max FA. I'd much prefer Tatum/Hayward over Butler.

If you want to create than room after trading for Butler, Bradley and Crowder likely need to go with no salary coming back. Logistically, it's a hard trade to find and would likely result on you selling them very low. Not sure that's really worth it.

This is just like last year when everyone wanted us to select Dunn to trade. We've seen how that's played out so far. Until Ainge gives me a reason to Doubt him I trust we made the right move. Everyone was bashing him last year when we took Brown who were very happy with while Dunn is used as a throw in in a Butler Deal

[BullyKing]

I would have taken Butler over Tatum.

Face value, sure. But that comes at the opportunity cost of adding a max FA. I'd much prefer Tatum/Hayward over Butler.

If you want to create than room after trading for Butler, Bradley and Crowder likely need to go with no salary coming back. Logistically, it's a hard trade to find and would likely result on you selling them very low. Not sure that's really worth it.

This is just like last year when everyone wanted us to select Dunn to trade. We've seen how that's played out so far. Until Ainge gives me a reason to Doubt him I trust we made the right move. Everyone was bashing him last year when we took Brown who were very happy with while Dunn is used as a throw in in a Butler Deal

Yeah, this makes literally no sense. No one was clamoring for them to take Dunn so they could hold him for a year, improve his value, and then trade him. They were saying Boston should either trade the pick to someone who wanted Dunn or take Dunn to immediately trade him at the draft. Not taking Dunn as people suggested is not a mark of Ainge's genius but rather a demerit to those teams that wanted to acquire the pick to take him.

[Green_teamer]

Face value, sure. But that comes at the opportunity cost of adding a max FA. I'd much prefer Tatum/Hayward over Butler.

If you want to create than room after trading for Butler, Bradley and Crowder likely need to go with no salary coming back. Logistically, it's a hard trade to find and would likely result on you selling them very low. Not sure that's really worth it.

This is just like last year when everyone wanted us to select Dunn to trade. We've seen how that's played out so far. Until Ainge gives me a reason to Doubt him I trust we made the right move. Everyone was bashing him last year when we took Brown who were very happy with while Dunn is used as a throw in in a Butler Deal

Yeah, this makes literally no sense. No one was clamoring for them to take Dunn so they could hold him for a year, improve his value, and then trade him. They were saying Boston should either trade the pick to someone who wanted Dunn or take Dunn to immediately trade him at the draft. Not taking Dunn as people suggested is not a mark of Ainge's genius but rather a demerit to those teams that wanted to acquire the pick to take him.

If he had taken Dunn it would of forced us into a trade while at the same time Devaluing those very same assets were trying to trade because we would have had like a million guards. Ainge took who he thought was best in the draft and who he wouldnt mind keeping if no trade could get done..which makes all the sense in the world to me and I don't think it can be used as a detriment..everyone always expect Ainge to use his assets every year and then when he doesn't they bash him. All because he doesn't do what the other teams want. It's Crazy. Ainge doesn't have to make a move. He can sit on his hands if he pleases.

[BullyKing]

This is just like last year when everyone wanted us to select Dunn to trade. We've seen how that's played out so far. Until Ainge gives me a reason to Doubt him I trust we made the right move. Everyone was bashing him last year when we took Brown who were very happy with while Dunn is used as a throw in in a Butler Deal

Yeah, this makes literally no sense. No one was clamoring for them to take Dunn so they could hold him for a year, improve his value, and then trade him. They were saying Boston should either trade the pick to someone who wanted Dunn or take Dunn to immediately trade him at the draft. Not taking Dunn as people suggested is not a mark of Ainge's genius but rather a demerit to those teams that wanted to acquire the pick to take him.

If he had taken Dunn it would of forced us into a trade while at the same time Devaluing those very same assets were trying to trade because we would have had like a million guards. Ainge took who he thought was best in the draft and who he wouldnt mind keeping if no trade could get done..which makes all the sense in the world to me and I don't think it can be used as a detriment..everyone always expect Ainge to use his assets every year and then when he doesn't they bash him. All because he doesn't do what the other teams want. It's Crazy. Ainge doesn't have to make a move. He can sit on his hands if he pleases.

Of course, he can sit on his hands if he pleases. And we're free to disagree with some of those decisions. For instance, I think he was completely correct to hang up the phone on the Clippers offer of DeAndre for #3. I think he was wrong to not beat what I view as the middling price for Butler and Cousins.