Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[BobbieL]

i dont think it is realistic to trade away knight now

if it is the deal involve jv, I want bledsoe+tyson<>jv+joseph

joseph can be the backup to support ulis.
of course, with jv we wont resign alex.

At this point, I think Corey Joseph is better than Knight and Ulis and I think he actually will start for the Raptors with Lowry leaving. Knight though would give them a solid contributor off the bench or bring points they might need

The point is, hard to sell knight to them for jv directly without adding a 1st rounder which i absolutely don't want it.
And if we add jv, it is better to move tyson at the same time since we can resign alan likely as a fair price so that our c rotation will be jv and alanw(maybe bender also)

I don't have a problem with that if its protected enough. The Suns will not need 6 first round draft choices over the next four drafts (2018-2021). It also doesn't mean they will need like two. I think they should aim for at least 3 if not four over those years. And if the Porzingis thing is done - I don't have a problem with sending a heavily protected pick to clear up the Center position along with Knight

As if you don't see value in Knight - you have to try to do something. And for me, JVal for Knight plus a protected first seems better than Knight for Shumpert in a cash move

I do agree though - this should be a quiet offseason. Not much in free agency, if anything. Not even a Dudley type signing. I don't need to see Millsap here. I like my trade better - not sure it clears enough cap for the Spurs though but tough if it doesn't

Blake Griffin doesn't make senseto me - too injury prone. He can go to Miami or OKC

[AZWildByNature]

If we didn't have Knight on the books we could afford to experiment more with Len. I agree that he still has alot of upside but all I'm asking for at this point is that he learns how to catch the friggin ball and I would be happy to extend him at a reasonable price.

I think the Suns will be trading (maybe stretching) Knight's contract. Gambo has mentioned something to Burns off the air regarding Knight and later hinted bout it on the air. We will wait and see...

[bigfoot]

10 Guaranteed contracts in Bledsoe, Ulis, Booker, Knight, Warren, Jackson, Chriss, Bender, Dudley, Chandler

A lot of RFAs and non-guaranteed contracts in Len, Williams, Barbosa, Milsap, DJJ, Reed, and Peters

1) I don't see how we move Knight with three years left on his contract. We would have to give up future assets to dump his salary and I don't think it is worth it. He could backup Bledsoe/Uliss at PG. He is useless for the Suns unless he commits to playing serious defense.

2) This team is so young I still think we need to keep Dudley, Chandler, and Barbosa as mentors. So don't waive the Blur.

3) Definitely sign Williams. I think we need to consider playing Bender at the 5. He should put on 10-15 pounds this summer which puts him at 240 ... same weight as Chandler. Only sign Len if it is cheap ... really cheap.

4) Should be good battles for third string roster spots and good talent to G-League.

Run with

Bledsoe/Ulis/Knight
Booker/Barbosa/DJJ/Reed
Warren/Jackson/Milsap
Chriss/Dudley/Peters
Chandler/Bender/Williams

[JMac1]

Mc'D just said JJ skipping meeting with Celts basically was because of us! LOL!

[JMac1]

Danny did tell Mc'D that he was drafting Tatum before the pick. The talked, before the draft when they had #1, but not too much when they moved to #3. Didn't want to lie to eachother and didn't want to divulge too much.

[Qwigglez]

I feel our rebuild should be done. We have plenty of youth now and we just need to have a good environment for them to reach their full potential. I know I mentioned trading for LMA, but I wouldn't want to give up any young talent in order to do so.

Hawks are looking at doing a S&T of Paul Millsap. I would be willing to work with the Hawks here if they took Brandon Knight. And I already know several of the posters here think Knight has negative value, which is true. The Hawks have to reach the minimum salary floor though and if they are trying to rebuild they likely don't want to tie up all their money for contracts that are bigger than what Knight has. I'd be willing to give them Knight and possibly a 2018 1st round pick, either ours or Miami's whichever one is worse.

Either Millsap or LMA is who I'd be gunning for if I were in the front office. And I would only offer Knight and a 2018 1st for them. Again, I'm not willing to give up much. If they don't bite, then cool. But I imagine not many other teams would be willing to give up a 1st round pick and valuable players to make a deal. Also, we could just sign Millsap or Blake or Ibaka straight up so there's our fall back plan.

This is the summer everything comes together. The Spurs were contending with Kawhi as soon as he entered the league. They didn't blow it up. We need to do the same now.

[Qwigglez]

Mc'D just said JJ skipping meeting with Celts basically was because of us! LOL!

Press conference or podcast? I would like to listen.

[rsavaj]

I feel our rebuild should be done. We have plenty of youth now and we just need to have a good environment for them to reach their full potential. I know I mentioned trading for LMA, but I wouldn't want to give up any young talent in order to do so.

Hawks are looking at doing a S&T of Paul Millsap. I would be willing to work with the Hawks here if they took Brandon Knight. And I already know several of the posters here think Knight has negative value, which is true. The Hawks have to reach the minimum salary floor though and if they are trying to rebuild they likely don't want to tie up all their money for contracts that are bigger than what Knight has. I'd be willing to give them Knight and possibly a 2018 1st round pick, either ours or Miami's whichever one is worse.

Either Millsap or LMA is who I'd be gunning for if I were in the front office. And I would only offer Knight and a 2018 1st for them. Again, I'm not willing to give up much. If they don't bite, then cool. But I imagine not many other teams would be willing to give up a 1st round pick and valuable players to make a deal. Also, we could just sign Millsap or Blake or Ibaka straight up so there's our fall back plan.

This is the summer everything comes together. The Spurs were contending with Kawhi as soon as he entered the league. They didn't blow it up. We need to do the same now.

Only reason I wouldn't consider LMA or Millsap is they're on the downside of their careers.

Wouldn't be terribly opposed to pursuing guys like Hayward and Griffin though, although I'm not a huge fan of any move that blocks PT for Bender/Chriss/JJ

[JMac1]

10 Guaranteed contracts in Bledsoe, Ulis, Booker, Knight, Warren, Jackson, Chriss, Bender, Dudley, Chandler

A lot of RFAs and non-guaranteed contracts in Len, Williams, Barbosa, Milsap, DJJ, Reed, and Peters

1) I don't see how we move Knight with three years left on his contract. We would have to give up future assets to dump his salary and I don't think it is worth it. He could backup Bledsoe/Uliss at PG. He is useless for the Suns unless he commits to playing serious defense.

2) This team is so young I still think we need to keep Dudley, Chandler, and Barbosa as mentors. So don't waive the Blur.

3) Definitely sign Williams. I think we need to consider playing Bender at the 5. He should put on 10-15 pounds this summer which puts him at 240 ... same weight as Chandler. Only sign Len if it is cheap ... really cheap.

4) Should be good battles for third string roster spots and good talent to G-League.

Run with

Bledsoe/Ulis/Knight
Booker/Barbosa/DJJ/Reed
Warren/Jackson/Milsap
Chriss/Dudley/Peters
Chandler/Bender/Williams

Bledsoe/Ulis
Booker/Knight
Jackson/Warren
Chriss/Bender
Chandler/Bender those are the regular rotation guys.

[alphagorilla]

So Wolves making moves, how about we send them Bledsoe and we get Dieng and Rubio.... They would be legit

[NTB]

I think Reed will get more minutes than you guys expect.

[Villalobos]

I wouldn't sign Millsap or anythign like that. Suns may finally be leaving the "dumpster fire" stage of the rebuild and in 2 or 3 years might be a place where good free agents would be willing to sign. You want that cap space in a few years. Plus you have to pay Booker/Warren/Bledsoe (if he stays) etc.

[jeff2020]

So Wolves making moves, how about we send them Bledsoe and we get Dieng and Rubio.... They would be legit

no thank you

[Djedefre]

I think Reed will get more minutes than you guys expect.

Absolutely. He'll be ahead of Jones Jr as he's super raw and Barbosa who is basically end of the bench veteran / local legend that just wants to finish his career as a Sun.

[Qwigglez]

Only reason I wouldn't consider LMA or Millsap is they're on the downside of their careers.

Wouldn't be terribly opposed to pursuing guys like Hayward and Griffin though, although I'm not a huge fan of any move that blocks PT for Bender/Chriss/JJ

Well that's kind of the point too though. When they start regressing we'll have Bender and Chriss looking to take more meaningful minutes. Plus, Bender/Chriss still need to fill their bodies out, I would say the same for Jackson too, which is why I'm comfortable with Warren staying. We need a winning culture.

[jeff2020]

Only reason I wouldn't consider LMA or Millsap is they're on the downside of their careers.

Wouldn't be terribly opposed to pursuing guys like Hayward and Griffin though, although I'm not a huge fan of any move that blocks PT for Bender/Chriss/JJ

Well that's kind of the point too though. When they start regressing we'll have Bender and Chriss looking to take more meaningful minutes. Plus, Bender/Chriss still need to fill their bodies out, I would say the same for Jackson too, which is why I'm comfortable with Warren staying. We need a winning culture.

Tanking at this point is irrelevant. We have the 4-5 young players we want to go forward with as a franchise and now they need to learn how to win. Chandler and Dudley being here helps but I would like another player to come in and have us at least competing this season.

[bwoolf2]

Signing Milsap or any other high priced veteran makes 0 sense, you take playing time away from our young core, Chriss, Bender, Warren, Jackson, you add a massive contract that in a year becomes an albatross, and for what 3-5 more wins tops. Milsap isn't all of a sudden making us this playoff contender that can win a series, its just a dumb move that we would immediately regret.

[rsavaj]

Only reason I wouldn't consider LMA or Millsap is they're on the downside of their careers.

Wouldn't be terribly opposed to pursuing guys like Hayward and Griffin though, although I'm not a huge fan of any move that blocks PT for Bender/Chriss/JJ

Well that's kind of the point too though. When they start regressing we'll have Bender and Chriss looking to take more meaningful minutes. Plus, Bender/Chriss still need to fill their bodies out, I would say the same for Jackson too, which is why I'm comfortable with Warren staying. We need a winning culture.

I agree with you for the most part, but I think handing out max deals to a guy whose production might plunge soon(Millsap) or giving up assets for a guy who can leave in a year(LMA) is just poor management. I don't think those are smart moves, and handicapping ourselves to their contracts seems like a really quick way to cap out a team that has a 6-8 seed ceiling.

At least with Hayward and Blake(to a lesser extent) you can project a higher ceiling for the team, IMO.

[Saberestar]

Danny did tell Mc'D that he was drafting Tatum before the pick. The talked, before the draft when they had #1, but not too much when they moved to #3. Didn't want to lie to eachother and didn't want to divulge too much.

That is why I said on a post a couple days ago that we were lucky to have Ainge picking before us in the draft.

McDonough and Ainge have a friendly relationship and they have helped each other with trades so many times before.

[Saberestar]

I think Reed will get more minutes than you guys expect.

I think that he is not gonna be part of the rotation at the beginning of the season, but everything can change during the season with injuries, trades, low level of play from other players....

I think that we are gonna play Jackson a good number of minutes, sometimes playing SG. A three men rotation of Booker/Warren/Jackson can absorb a lot of minutes on SG/SF.

Barbosa and DJJ are his primary competition to backup Booker if Watson wants to go at least 10 deep every game.