Official: Jimmy Butler, #16 to Minnesota for Lavine, Dunn, #7 - merged/Justin Patton injured

[Ralphb07]

Question: Has a team trading the perceived "superstar" ever also included a first round pick in the deal?

IDK but Kaplan said that Thibs didn't want to include Lavine. He was trying to even absorb Rondo to save the Bulls money but Bulls said that Lavine had to be in deal to happen. Thibs gave his counter which was 16 and no Rondo.

Anyone that was thinking Brooklyn two picks are going to be disappointed but I spent a whole damn year trying to chill the expectations. What fans/media and actual NBA GMs thought as being fair was totally different. Last year they didn't get offered a top 4 pick and the the same this year.

I get people are upset and will never sway someone but the Bulls indeed took the best offer that was made for Jimmy.

Thanks Ralph. You did tell us that Boston may not be keen on giving up a Top 3 pick for Butler, especially on a deep draft. A lot of us wish we've gotten more, but I guess that's just reality. Jimmy may not be coveted as much as we thought.

By the way, did the Bulls ask for Wiggins, or did they prefer LaVine all along?

It's funny but back in Feb I gave the poster hangtime a PM with the rundown which he must of remembered because pm me last night saying spot on as the trade happen exactly as what that pm said to him....

Yes they asked for Wiggins

[League Circles]

I just heard on carmen and jurko that they confirmed basically the only other offer for Jimmy was trash from Denver. Bulls tried with PHO for 4, etc and were rebuffed.

[Jeffster81]

The return is solid and at least the Bulls got players with upside and a chance to be good players. I was worried the Bulls would end up with the multiple Cameron Payne type players in this trade.

I will read through the overreactions and reactions to the overreactions sometime on sunday. Should be fun.

My only problem is the Bulls having to add the #16 pick in the trade, WTF?

[PrimzyBulls81]

My god. I expected bad from them but not this bad. Dunn is a piece of trash, Lavine ACL injury 1 year expiring m and trading our 16 pick in the process to draft a mediocre player 9 spots higher? Wow, really swinging for the fences with this one. Can't say I'm shocked though. Typical cheap ass read water in the shallow end Bulls FO I've been bitching about for years.

[did_ya_know000]

KC Johnson (Chicago Tribune) confirmed today that the Wolves offer was absolutely the best offer Bulls got for Jimmy Butler.

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[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Do we need confirmation that this was the best offer? Obviously it was the best offer. The question is whether you trade Jimmy if the best offer is this bad.

I'd say no, and prior to this lousy offer, I considered myself a 'take the best offer' guy.

[HoopsterJones]

At least the trade doesn't appear to be as bad as the James Harden trade. At least not yet.

[BullsFTW]

IDK but Kaplan said that Thibs didn't want to include Lavine. He was trying to even absorb Rondo to save the Bulls money but Bulls said that Lavine had to be in deal to happen. Thibs gave his counter which was 16 and no Rondo.

Anyone that was thinking Brooklyn two picks are going to be disappointed but I spent a whole damn year trying to chill the expectations. What fans/media and actual NBA GMs thought as being fair was totally different. Last year they didn't get offered a top 4 pick and the the same this year.

I get people are upset and will never sway someone but the Bulls indeed took the best offer that was made for Jimmy.

Thanks Ralph. You did tell us that Boston may not be keen on giving up a Top 3 pick for Butler, especially on a deep draft. A lot of us wish we've gotten more, but I guess that's just reality. Jimmy may not be coveted as much as we thought.

By the way, did the Bulls ask for Wiggins, or did they prefer LaVine all along?

It's funny but back in Feb I gave the poster hangtime a PM with the rundown which he must of remembered because pm me last night saying spot on as the trade happen exactly as what that pm said to him....

Yes they asked for Wiggins

From what I recall, this was the same trade package you mentioned to us in last year's draft, well minus #7.

The Bulls wanted Dunn & LaVine, but Minny refused and offered Rubio & Dunn. No deal was agreed upon. One year later, we get the package we wanted last year plus #7. Granted we gave up #16, but we did get solid pieces. Not the sexiest, but decent.

Lots of hopes but I'm looking forward to see a backcourt of Dunn & LaVine. I'm intrigued by Markkanen's skillset. He is a lot more athletic than what he's given credit for, and that jumpshot is wet.

[patryk7754]

Zach Lavine numbers

14/15: 10.1 ppg, 34.1 3FG%, 42.2 FG%, 2.8 rebs, 3.6 ast
15/16: 14 ppg, 38.9 3FG%, 45.2 FG%, 2.8 rebs, 2.5 ast
16/17: 18.9 ppg, 38.7 3FG%, 45.9 FG%, 3.4 rebs, 3.0

He's improved every year, especially scoring wise. That's something to look forward to.

[HoopsterJones]

Zach Lavine numbers

14/15: 10.1 ppg, 34.1 3FG%, 42.2 FG%, 2.8 rebs, 3.6 ast
15/16: 14 ppg, 38.9 3FG%, 45.2 FG%, 2.8 rebs, 2.5 ast
16/17: 18.9 ppg, 38.7 3FG%, 45.9 FG%, 3.4 rebs, 3.0

He's improved every year, especially scoring wise. That's something to look forward to.

Main concern is his health and athletic ability recovering from an ACL tear.

Second concern is that he is terrible on defense.

[jg77]

ACL's aren't nearly the concern that they used to be. I'm a Lakers fan but I absolutely love Lavine. It's obvious that he works hard at his craft and I think he can be an all-star in this league.

[patryk7754]

Zach Lavine numbers

14/15: 10.1 ppg, 34.1 3FG%, 42.2 FG%, 2.8 rebs, 3.6 ast
15/16: 14 ppg, 38.9 3FG%, 45.2 FG%, 2.8 rebs, 2.5 ast
16/17: 18.9 ppg, 38.7 3FG%, 45.9 FG%, 3.4 rebs, 3.0

He's improved every year, especially scoring wise. That's something to look forward to.

Main concern is his health and athletic ability recovering from an ACL tear.

Second concern is that he is terrible on defense.

Fortunatly, most of his scoring ability doesn't rely on his athleticsim but its obviously still a concern.

His defense is not that big of a concern to me. If this FO can do is find guys who can play great defense and defense isn't that important. The cavs have made three finals in a row and might have been the worst defensive finals team of all time each year.

[ATRAIN53]

Oh so now we know the answer - they did this just to screw Butler out of 29 mil with that DPE.
No wonder his trainer is pissed.

I bet they wish his agent was BJ Armstrong...

They can spin it any way they want but I'd blame the players association for setting up a scenario where GarPax has a way to screw JB out of 30 mil because they were def gonna tale that oppertunity if it was there.

I think they hope this makes Wade want to eat $$$ to get out.
I'd rather see him dog it and collect his full 24 mil now.....

[TheStig]

Oh so now we know the answer - they did this just to screw Butler out of 29 mil with that DPE.
No wonder his trainer is pissed.

I bet they wish his agent was BJ Armstrong...

They can spin it any way they want but I'd blame the players association for setting up a scenario where GarPax has a way to screw JB out of 30 mil because they were def gonna tale that oppertunity if it was there.

I think they hope this makes Wade want to eat $$$ to get out.
I'd rather see him dog it and collect his full 24 mil now.....

I don't think they did this to screw Jimmy out of 30 million. I just don't think they wanted to be locked into a 215 million dollar deal. My issue isn't moving Jimmy. My issue is the cr@p return they got for Jimmy. It's sad. You had one asset that could jump start a rebuild. You got a PG that was absolutely terrible last year. You got a SG that doesn't play D, is coming off a knee injury and is due for a deal as big or bigger than Jimmys current deal and then you drafted a guy who is 7ft, can't rebound, can't defend, can't creat and can only shoot. They project him to be Ryan Anderson. Except Ryan Anderson can actually rebound. It's bad, it's really bad. This is going to be a 5 year thing that will get them fired.

And Wade will absolutely collect his 24 million, relax and chill till after the trade deadline and then get a buy out and join a contender.

[transplant]

Sorry for being redundant, but 72 pages is a lot of pages.

It seems clear to me that Bulls' management, and I strongly suspect this included both the Reinsdorfs, asked themselves the question, "after this season, do you see us wanting to offer Butler the 'super-max' extension?" I further strongly suspect that the consensus was along the lines of NFW.

I really don't blame them. While you can make a statistical case for Butler being a true superstar, as a long-time Bulls' fan, this mantle never really seemed to fit Jimmy.

[AirP.]

Sorry for being redundant, but 72 pages is a lot of pages.

It seems clear to me that Bulls' management, and I strongly suspect this included both the Reinsdorfs, asked themselves the question, "after this season, do you see us wanting to offer Butler the 'super-max' extension?" I further strongly suspect that the consensus was along the lines of NFW.

I really don't blame them. While you can make a statistical case for Butler being a true superstar, as a long-time Bulls' fan, this mantle never really seemed to fit Jimmy.

If you're considering moving Butler, why wouldn't you be in the Russell sweepstakes? I'd have to think swapping Wade and their 2nd round pick for Deng and Russell beats Lopez and the 27th pick.

[TheSuzerain]

KC Johnson (Chicago Tribune) confirmed today that the Wolves offer was absolutely the best offer Bulls got for Jimmy Butler.

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Confirmed with whom?

[transplant]

Sorry for being redundant, but 72 pages is a lot of pages.

It seems clear to me that Bulls' management, and I strongly suspect this included both the Reinsdorfs, asked themselves the question, "after this season, do you see us wanting to offer Butler the 'super-max' extension?" I further strongly suspect that the consensus was along the lines of NFW.

I really don't blame them. While you can make a statistical case for Butler being a true superstar, as a long-time Bulls' fan, this mantle never really seemed to fit Jimmy.

If you're considering moving Butler, why wouldn't you be in the Russell sweepstakes? I'd have to think swapping Wade and their 2nd round pick for Deng and Russell beats Lopez and the 27th pick.

OK.

[DroseReturnChi]

Question: Has a team trading the perceived "superstar" ever also included a first round pick in the deal?

Butler is not a superstar and he's going to decline really fast and in a few years be a worse player than Lavine who is the rising all-star claiber talent. Thibs is going to play Butler 40min per game and soon he will get his injuries which is good for the Bulls since they traded away injury prone player. And keep thinking over the 16th pick, it seemed garbage anyway since the quality of draft prospects for this year drops after #10.

[musiqsoulchild]

KC Johnson (Chicago Tribune) confirmed today that the Wolves offer was absolutely the best offer Bulls got for Jimmy Butler.

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Confirmed with whom?

Zach Lowe said the same thing.

The market for paying up for top talent has considerably decreased because teams see the pointlessness of mortgaging their future in such trades when contrasted with the gargantuan reality that is the Golden State Warriors.