This offseason

[Netaman]

If we strike out on Porter, Gallo and Ibaka are 2 guys I'd be interested in on short term prove it deals, assuming they are sitting unsigned a week or two into FA. Mirotic would also fit the bill but that would probably need to be more of a S&T since he's an RFA. Not sure what the odds of any of that happening are, but generally speaking I agree with Calamity that they need to add 1 more forward who can partially pick up the loss of production from Lopez. All of those guys fit the bill in some way even though none are perfect (even Porter).

[Netaman]

Or what Trader Joe just said.

Also next year it'll be interesting to revisit which duo is better - Caris/DLo or Jaylen Brown/Tatum. Obviously those weren't the exact pieces involved, but it's pretty remarkable that despite getting all of our top picks Marks has been able to assemble a similarly talented young duo.

[Prokorov]

What are the expectations for this team? Make playoffs? be competitive? a glorified G League team?

I dont think the expectations are record based. Like Kennys said at the end of season presser "we arent measuring ourselves by wins at this junctrue." I think their expectations are that players will be much improved in game 82 as opposed to game 1. i think they want to be as competitive as possible but wont really care much about wins.

i think they'd obviously like to look closer to our march team then our novemeber team from 2016 but again i dont think any expectation on wins will alter their game plan

We moved one of our most consistent scorers in Brook. We then are now going to place that "role" onto Caris and D'Lo... but even so they too will need a 3rd scorer, someone like Gallo fits the offense. I forgot about Lin in the scoring department.

this is where i disagree. i dont think we need a third scorer... mostly because we dont need to win. i also think that Dlo + allen probably gets you 20-22 points a game which replaced most of the 26 ppg foye/brook gave us. then as you said, hopefully 82 games from lin adds to that too

I dare not ask for a max contract or something unforgivable in contract for him but for 2 years, 3rd TO? what would it be preventing us from doing?

well lets say we give him 3 years at 18 million per. i think thats conservative. that would cut our cap space from 28 million to 10 million. and while we probably do have anyone to give a max deal to if the option prevented itself we wouldnt have the money. we also wouldnt be able to take on a big salary dump if the value was there.

thats not the end of the world... but i have to ask why give up the flexibility. what do we gain?

As a scorer, Gallo is > Porter n Snell. Gallo could fetch a shorter deal than Porter or Snell. Gallo comes in and slows down who's growth? Skill? Harris? I don't mind seeing Gallo out there more so than Harris and Skill. If we go small, D'Lo, Lin, LeVert/RHJ, Gallo n Allen.

i agree gallo is a better scorer but im not bringing in porter for what he can do today im bringing him in because he is 24 and would be hitting his prime in 3 years once we may look to realistically start to compete for the playoffs.

My short term goals are development. maybe gallo doesnt slow that down but what does he add to it?

i just dont see what gallo adds... to me his value would be as a veteran mentor and a legit starter who allows young guys to grow organcally instead of moving too fast... but for me he doesnt even fit that role because im not sure i can count on him for more then 45-50 games

[Prokorov]

The top priority in free agency should be adding YOUNG talent...anywhere we can't get it.
Porter is my #1 target.

We also need some an offensively skilled big man. Someone like Olynyk would be interesting since Celtics likely let him go.

As for vets like Gallo... if all else fails, I don't mind vets for him for the right price. It's not about winning games, rather adding leadership. Plus, if we get some quality vets on reasonable deals we added an asset as they could be traded during their contracts. Main thing I want to avoid (and Marks has) is overpaying vets.

i like vets at the right price as well... problem with gallo is i cant count on him to be on the floor and the point of a vet for me is to be an oncourt mentor. if he isnt playing he is just another assistant at that point. id rather joe ingles in that role.

i think olynk makes alot more sense now without brook here. but it would still need to be the right price. i have 15-18 million dollar contracts for role/bench/6th men. if we can get him on a jeremey lin type contract id be all for it. he just turned 26

[Trader_Joe]

What are the expectations for this team? Make playoffs? be competitive? a glorified G League team?

I dont think the expectations are record based. Like Kennys said at the end of season presser "we arent measuring ourselves by wins at this junctrue." I think their expectations are that players will be much improved in game 82 as opposed to game 1. i think they want to be as competitive as possible but wont really care much about wins.

i think they'd obviously like to look closer to our march team then our novemeber team from 2016 but again i dont think any expectation on wins will alter their game plan

We moved one of our most consistent scorers in Brook. We then are now going to place that "role" onto Caris and D'Lo... but even so they too will need a 3rd scorer, someone like Gallo fits the offense. I forgot about Lin in the scoring department.

this is where i disagree. i dont think we need a third scorer... mostly because we dont need to win. i also think that Dlo + allen probably gets you 20-22 points a game which replaced most of the 26 ppg foye/brook gave us. then as you said, hopefully 82 games from lin adds to that too

I dare not ask for a max contract or something unforgivable in contract for him but for 2 years, 3rd TO? what would it be preventing us from doing?

well lets say we give him 3 years at 18 million per. i think thats conservative. that would cut our cap space from 28 million to 10 million. and while we probably do have anyone to give a max deal to if the option prevented itself we wouldnt have the money. we also wouldnt be able to take on a big salary dump if the value was there.

thats not the end of the world... but i have to ask why give up the flexibility. what do we gain?

As a scorer, Gallo is > Porter n Snell. Gallo could fetch a shorter deal than Porter or Snell. Gallo comes in and slows down who's growth? Skill? Harris? I don't mind seeing Gallo out there more so than Harris and Skill. If we go small, D'Lo, Lin, LeVert/RHJ, Gallo n Allen.

i agree gallo is a better scorer but im not bringing in porter for what he can do today im bringing him in because he is 24 and would be hitting his prime in 3 years once we may look to realistically start to compete for the playoffs.

My short term goals are development. maybe gallo doesnt slow that down but what does he add to it?

i just dont see what gallo adds... to me his value would be as a veteran mentor and a legit starter who allows young guys to grow organcally instead of moving too fast... but for me he doesnt even fit that role because im not sure i can count on him for more then 45-50 games

If we can get Gallo are any vet for good to great value (not saying it's likely) you do it since we suddenly have a new asset.

Also, something I've noticed with Marks is that his single and doubles approach is not just smart but a necessity. I know everyone loves Hinkie for all the risks he took, but the big difference is, he could afford to. We probably have the fewest assets a team has ever had other than maybe the cap hell Knicks of the early 2000s. We have no margin for error. We have to make the most of every asset and opportunity. IMO that's not taking major risks, rather getting the most value out of what we have. Sure we could swing for the fences and hope we find a gem, but one gem isn't going to turn this team around regardless, we are that devoid of talent. If we have 5 chances at something and go for it every time, we would be lucky to get 1 big return (if that) while the rest likely fail. If we at least get singles and doubles with most of those 5 we are in a better position IMO. We're also not going to find a franchise changing talent with the assets we have.. that happens with top 5 picks, which we wont have for 2 more years. Gotta maximize what we can.

[Prokorov]

What are the expectations for this team? Make playoffs? be competitive? a glorified G League team?

I dont think the expectations are record based. Like Kennys said at the end of season presser "we arent measuring ourselves by wins at this junctrue." I think their expectations are that players will be much improved in game 82 as opposed to game 1. i think they want to be as competitive as possible but wont really care much about wins.

i think they'd obviously like to look closer to our march team then our novemeber team from 2016 but again i dont think any expectation on wins will alter their game plan

We moved one of our most consistent scorers in Brook. We then are now going to place that "role" onto Caris and D'Lo... but even so they too will need a 3rd scorer, someone like Gallo fits the offense. I forgot about Lin in the scoring department.

this is where i disagree. i dont think we need a third scorer... mostly because we dont need to win. i also think that Dlo + allen probably gets you 20-22 points a game which replaced most of the 26 ppg foye/brook gave us. then as you said, hopefully 82 games from lin adds to that too

I dare not ask for a max contract or something unforgivable in contract for him but for 2 years, 3rd TO? what would it be preventing us from doing?

well lets say we give him 3 years at 18 million per. i think thats conservative. that would cut our cap space from 28 million to 10 million. and while we probably do have anyone to give a max deal to if the option prevented itself we wouldnt have the money. we also wouldnt be able to take on a big salary dump if the value was there.

thats not the end of the world... but i have to ask why give up the flexibility. what do we gain?

As a scorer, Gallo is > Porter n Snell. Gallo could fetch a shorter deal than Porter or Snell. Gallo comes in and slows down who's growth? Skill? Harris? I don't mind seeing Gallo out there more so than Harris and Skill. If we go small, D'Lo, Lin, LeVert/RHJ, Gallo n Allen.

i agree gallo is a better scorer but im not bringing in porter for what he can do today im bringing him in because he is 24 and would be hitting his prime in 3 years once we may look to realistically start to compete for the playoffs.

My short term goals are development. maybe gallo doesnt slow that down but what does he add to it?

i just dont see what gallo adds... to me his value would be as a veteran mentor and a legit starter who allows young guys to grow organcally instead of moving too fast... but for me he doesnt even fit that role because im not sure i can count on him for more then 45-50 games

If we can get Gallo are any vet for good to great value (not saying it's likely) you do it since we suddenly have a new asset.

Also, something I've noticed with Marks is that his single and doubles approach is not just smart but a necessity. I know everyone loves Hinkie for all the risks he took, but the big difference is, he could afford to. We probably have the fewest assets a team has ever had other than maybe the cap hell Knicks of the early 2000s. We have no margin for error. We have to make the most of every asset and opportunity. IMO that's not taking major risks, rather getting the most value out of what we have. Sure we could swing for the fences and hope we find a gem, but one gem isn't going to turn this team around regardless, we are that devoid of talent. If we have 5 chances at something and go for it every time, we would be lucky to get 1 big return (if that) while the rest likely fail. If we at least get singles and doubles with most of those 5 we are in a better position IMO. We're also not going to find a franchise changing talent with the assets we have.. that happens with top 5 picks, which we wont have for 2 more years. Gotta maximize what we can.

unless we get gallo for like 3/30 or 3/36 i cant see him being an asset. he is going to be 30 and another season where he missed 20+ games and he will be a negative asset.

good teams wont want him because they cant rely on him to be in the lineup
bad teams wont want him because he is 30 and doesnt fit a rebuild

the same reasons we shoudlnt want him at more then that cost.

[TheNetsFan]

Gallo and Snell are two I hope we look at and sign one of.

i ike snell but im not paying 16-18M per for him.

id be pissed if we signed gallo. win now move and always injured. no thanks

I'll take Gallo if the price is right. I don't go more than about $15mil per year for him. If that gets it done, I'm in as a Plan B to Porter's Plan A.

[Prokorov]

Gallo and Snell are two I hope we look at and sign one of.

i ike snell but im not paying 16-18M per for him.

id be pissed if we signed gallo. win now move and always injured. no thanks

I'll take Gallo if the price is right. I don't go more than about $15mil per year for him. If that gets it done, I'm in as a Plan B to Porter's Plan A.

to take gallo at 15 million for me it would need to be a 2 year deal with the second a team option

[CalamityX12]

The top priority in free agency should be adding YOUNG talent...anywhere we can't get it.
Porter is my #1 target.

We also need some an offensively skilled big man. Someone like Olynyk would be interesting since Celtics likely let him go.

As for vets like Gallo... if all else fails, I don't mind vets for him for the right price. It's not about winning games, rather adding leadership. Plus, if we get some quality vets on reasonable deals we added an asset as they could be traded during their contracts. Main thing I want to avoid (and Marks has) is overpaying vets.

i like vets at the right price as well... problem with gallo is i cant count on him to be on the floor and the point of a vet for me is to be an oncourt mentor. if he isnt playing he is just another assistant at that point. id rather joe ingles in that role.

i think olynk makes alot more sense now without brook here. but it would still need to be the right price. i have 15-18 million dollar contracts for role/bench/6th men. if we can get him on a jeremey lin type contract id be all for it. he just turned 26

I'm quoting this one rather the other one lol...

The young guys also do need that feel of competitive games too... What i'm hearing is the same from last yr from Kenny... we're not a developmental program, we're a professional basketball team. We don't have our own picks, Marks has done wonders in that department so we're not going to get properly compensated for bad seasons. At some point, don't we want to have a chance to win?

Gallo, injuries aside cuz thats a legit concern, may or may not help in giving us a few games. We don't have our pick, so what's the harm if it did net us a few more wins. What's the penalty if we didn't show improvement? nothing... Also, say Gallo is here, by trade deadline, he too may be an attractive piece for a contending team. Flip him for more assets if necessary.

Porter, thats a signing for LT. No problem there. ST i'd go with Gallo for me personally.

[Trader_Joe]

unless we get gallo for like 3/30 or 3/36 i cant see him being an asset. he is going to be 30 and another season where he missed 20+ games and he will be a negative asset.

good teams wont want him because they cant rely on him to be in the lineup
bad teams wont want him because he is 30 and doesnt fit a rebuild

the same reasons we shoudlnt want him at more then that cost.

Yeah but for some reason teams (or at least fans on here) seemingly love the guy and always want him on their team. I don't know if every team simply thinks their medical staff is better than another's but it seems to be how it works. Personally, I've never understood the love he gets given his injury history and questionable D. He also seems like someone that may age poorly even if healthy because of all those injuries. He's always been fairly slow even when he first came into the league. But.. if the price is right.

Plus KA would only play him 10mpg and keep him healthy.

[CalamityX12]

Also I'd concede that Gallo may take space in next years' FAs.... however ask yourself, what would be the odds we land a crucial FA etc...

[Netaman]

If Gallo (or Ibaka) is sitting out there unsigned I'd throw them as big of a 1 year deal as possible. No risk on anybodies part, keeps them motivated to get a big deal next offseason.

[CalamityX12]

unless we get gallo for like 3/30 or 3/36 i cant see him being an asset. he is going to be 30 and another season where he missed 20+ games and he will be a negative asset.

good teams wont want him because they cant rely on him to be in the lineup
bad teams wont want him because he is 30 and doesnt fit a rebuild

the same reasons we shoudlnt want him at more then that cost.

Yeah but for some reason teams (or at least fans on here) seemingly love the guy and always want him on their team. I don't know if every team simply thinks their medical staff is better than another's but it seems to be how it works. Personally, I've never understood the love he gets given his injury history and questionable D. He also seems like someone that may age poorly even if healthy because of all those injuries. He's always been fairly slow even when he first came into the league. But.. if the price is right.

Plus KA would only play him 10mpg and keep him healthy.

he can have any other game off a la Brook. lol

[Keith Van Horn]

The offseason has been pretty great so far....

its crazy to sit here with 4 young players with decent ceilings and 30 million in cap room. speaking of cap room... i was digging through some threads i had saved and had to laugh.

the BG/TnT board was flooded with nets posts like "nets will be in cap hell for the next 5 to 10 years" back in 2013. nets fans kept pointing out that dwill/joe/brook/wallace all basically expire at the same time in 2016 or 2017. no one listened. now we have boat loads of cap.

the next wave was "nets have no picks for like the next 6 years". yet here we are... with firsts from every year since then and added russell. after next offseason we own our picks. the picks to boston started in 2014... here is what we have pick wise on the roster since we started handing picks to boston:

2014: #21 Rondae Hollis-jefferson
2015: #2 D'Angelo Russell
2016: #20 Caris Levert
2017: #22 Jarret Allen

I have one of those friends who's like "how does it feel to have a 1st round pick this year, oh wait sorry!" and "when was the last time the Nets had a 1st round pick?"

To his defense, he's a casual NBA fan and doesn't know any better... but still, that perception is out there still that we haven't had a pick in forever and are continuing down that path forever.

[Prokorov]

The top priority in free agency should be adding YOUNG talent...anywhere we can't get it.
Porter is my #1 target.

We also need some an offensively skilled big man. Someone like Olynyk would be interesting since Celtics likely let him go.

As for vets like Gallo... if all else fails, I don't mind vets for him for the right price. It's not about winning games, rather adding leadership. Plus, if we get some quality vets on reasonable deals we added an asset as they could be traded during their contracts. Main thing I want to avoid (and Marks has) is overpaying vets.

i like vets at the right price as well... problem with gallo is i cant count on him to be on the floor and the point of a vet for me is to be an oncourt mentor. if he isnt playing he is just another assistant at that point. id rather joe ingles in that role.

i think olynk makes alot more sense now without brook here. but it would still need to be the right price. i have 15-18 million dollar contracts for role/bench/6th men. if we can get him on a jeremey lin type contract id be all for it. he just turned 26

I'm quoting this one rather the other one lol...

The young guys also do need that feel of competitive games too... What i'm hearing is the same from last yr from Kenny... we're not a developmental program, we're a professional basketball team. We don't have our own picks, Marks has done wonders in that department so we're not going to get properly compensated for bad seasons. At some point, don't we want to have a chance to win?

Gallo, injuries aside cuz thats a legit concern, may or may not help in giving us a few games. We don't have our pick, so what's the harm if it did net us a few more wins. What's the penalty if we didn't show improvement? nothing... Also, say Gallo is here, by trade deadline, he too may be an attractive piece for a contending team. Flip him for more assets if necessary.

Porter, thats a signing for LT. No problem there. ST i'd go with Gallo for me personally.

I think we are on the same page as far as bringing in a vet who can help you be competitive alongside that development an also slot your young guys in a spot where they dont have to do it all right away. And if i was confident Gallo could give me 2/3 of a season or more id be on board with that. but im just not.... and in several seasons he was in and out with injuries all year, which really breaks up continuity.

id be thrilled with someone like gallo, who i know i could get 70+ games from. and id be happy to pay them. I love gallos game and i think he is a great fit as a very good defender and big who can shoot and score. but if he cant play then i dont like the fit. and im not sacraficing any flexibility for someone who isnt a longterm fit who i cant rely on to be in the iineup

hope that makes sense, and doesnt come off as harsh or condesending. i just dont see the value short or long term because i cant rely on him to play in the short term

[Prokorov]

unless we get gallo for like 3/30 or 3/36 i cant see him being an asset. he is going to be 30 and another season where he missed 20+ games and he will be a negative asset.

good teams wont want him because they cant rely on him to be in the lineup
bad teams wont want him because he is 30 and doesnt fit a rebuild

the same reasons we shoudlnt want him at more then that cost.

Yeah but for some reason teams (or at least fans on here) seemingly love the guy and always want him on their team. I don't know if every team simply thinks their medical staff is better than another's but it seems to be how it works. Personally, I've never understood the love he gets given his injury history and questionable D. He also seems like someone that may age poorly even if healthy because of all those injuries. He's always been fairly slow even when he first came into the league. But.. if the price is right.

Plus KA would only play him 10mpg and keep him healthy.

a few things here..

1) if "every team seems to want him" then we wont be able to sign him to a reasonable deal
2) if kenny limits him to 10 minutes, he doesnt really provide much to where he is worth even a 15M per deal

i love gallo but i just cant make it work in my head logistically short or longterm unless we somehow land him on a 1+1 deal or lin-like money

[Keith Van Horn]

While most of us really want Porter, I think the reality is that we may end up settling for Gallo. Personally, I'm with Prok on a 2 year deal with the second year being a team option... but I think you could make it a player option since he'd prob want to test the market. 2/18-20, then save some of that cap space in case we make a trade and need to absorb some money.

[Prokorov]

Also I'd concede that Gallo may take space in next years' FAs.... however ask yourself, what would be the odds we land a crucial FA etc...

well its not just free agents right? its taking on a salary dump. we just added D'angelo russel by using our cap space. if another opportunity like that comes along would you want to pass up on a long term asset because we signed gallanari?

And you just dont know in free agency. i think you want to keep your options open. overnight the lakers went from rebuilt to paul george trying to force his way there. odds might be low... and im fine passing on low odds for a free agent who adds value. but to me gallo isnt worth that flexibility

[vincecarter4pres]

Just say for shats and giggles we can absorb LMA for free. The context is we struck out on Porter and San An wants to sign one, if not 2 of the big time UFA's like CP3, Millsap or Griffin and need to clear LMA to do so. Is it a prudent decision? Or does it hinder player development and possibly create strife in the locker room?

Lin
Russell
LeVert
LMA
Allen

RHJ, Mozgov, Dinwiddie, Whitehead, either Goodwin or McDaniels as the main bench mob


As long as LMA is a good soldier, would it not help development to have an actually competent roster, probably a team that could sneak in as a 6 to 8 seed, assuming Chicago falls off and Indy either trades George or the vibe destroys their team? One without any long term cap or asset implications?

How bout the exact same scenario as above, but with Pau Gasol instead of LMA?

[Prokorov]

While most of us really want Porter, I think the reality is that we may end up settling for Gallo. Personally, I'm with Prok on a 2 year deal with the second year being a team option... but I think you could make it a player option since he'd prob want to test the market. 2/18-20, then save some of that cap space in case we make a trade and need to absorb some money.

i hope if we dont get porter the "settling" is instead for someone like:

Olynck who is 26
Joe ingles who is healthy
james johnson
tony snell
pat patterson

guys who may stick around long term or who short term i canc ount on to play