Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[BobbieL]

No need to discuss LMA. I mean they wanted a top 10 pick for him. I wouldn't really even want him for free, and I'm sure no one here wants to give up Josh for him.

It does feel like that proposed KP trade of Bledsoe, Chriss and 4 would be much harder to stomach AFTER making our pick, knowing it's Jackson that we have, since KP will still likely be traded.

I'm pretty happy with where our team is right now.

I just want to clarify - my trade for LMA is only in the situation that Ryan is thinking the team needs a veteran PF type - meaning Gambo said Millsap. Which to me - makes ZERO sense. ZERO. I say , figure out the Center position with Len and Chandler; also Knight and roll with the youth.

But if McDonough wants a veteran PF type - I would do Millsaps for two years; maybe three if its trading Knight. I would do LMA for Dudley and Barbosa if the Spurs want cap space, limited though it may be for the Spurs. But again, limit the years because the last thing you want is a old Millsap on a bad deal. That's why LMA would be fine - two years, done with it. If he opts out, well you got cap space a year early

Sarver/Mike D screwed up with the cap space when they extended Boris and LB and didn't do the math or sarver got scared - so all of the sudden after the new deals kicked in - there went Thomas for nothing

I don't want the long term cap hosed by a 35 year old Millsap. So if they are doing an S&T with Millsaps for a couple years, moving Knight, that's fine. But just realize these young guys in 2, 3, 4 years will be on the hook for raises

[grumpysaddle]

Suns should go hard stealing back Nash from GS for player development/mentorship.

[BobbieL]

If we didn't have Knight on the books we could afford to experiment more with Len. I agree that he still has alot of upside but all I'm asking for at this point is that he learns how to catch the friggin ball and I would be happy to extend him at a reasonable price.

I think the Suns will be trading (maybe stretching) Knight's contract. Gambo has mentioned something to Burns off the air regarding Knight and later hinted bout it on the air. We will wait and see...

Hmm - stretching Knight. That seems drastic. He does have a skill set. Can we send money to the team.

I think there is a trade out there - might be for a lousy contract . I know I mention Shumpert a lot as I think the Cavs need more bench scoring.

Somebody mentioned JVal from the Raptors - but that would involved, probably - a future protected first round pick (if its 2020 or later - that's fine). The Raptors are losing Lowery, maybe Knight would work for them as another guard option behind Joseph and DeRozan

Maybe next week, Gambo will have news

[SC923]

Is Miamis 2021 unprotected?

[AZWildByNature]

Is Miamis 2021 unprotected?

Yes, its completely owned by the Suns.

[AZWildByNature]

If we didn't have Knight on the books we could afford to experiment more with Len. I agree that he still has alot of upside but all I'm asking for at this point is that he learns how to catch the friggin ball and I would be happy to extend him at a reasonable price.

I think the Suns will be trading (maybe stretching) Knight's contract. Gambo has mentioned something to Burns off the air regarding Knight and later hinted bout it on the air. We will wait and see...

Hmm - stretching Knight. That seems drastic. He does have a skill set. Can we send money to the team.

I think there is a trade out there - might be for a lousy contract . I know I mention Shumpert a lot as I think the Cavs need more bench scoring.

Somebody mentioned JVal from the Raptors - but that would involved, probably - a future protected first round pick (if its 2020 or later - that's fine). The Raptors are losing Lowery, maybe Knight would work for them as another guard option behind Joseph and DeRozan

Maybe next week, Gambo will have news

I know, stretching Knight's contract is not the best option. But if you do the numbers, its only $6,270,536 per season.

Current
Season / Age / Salary
2017-18 / 25 / $13,618,750
2018-19 / 26 / $14,631,250
2019-20 / 27 / $15,643,750

Knight's Contract Stretched (remaining years (3) x 2 + 1 year = 7 years)
Season / Salary
2017-18 / $6,270,536
2018-19 / $6,270,536
2019-20 / $6,270,536
2020-21 / $6,270,536
2021-22 / $6,270,536
2022-23 / $6,270,536
2023-24 / $6,270,536

The best option is obviously to get out of the contract but the Suns will probably need to take on an equal contract (change of scenery for 2 players), or add an asset or two for a team to bite.

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[Frank Lee]

even money kobi simmons gets a summer league invite.

[BobbieL]

even money kobi simmons gets a summer league invite.

Memphis signed him

[BobbieL]

I think the Suns will be trading (maybe stretching) Knight's contract. Gambo has mentioned something to Burns off the air regarding Knight and later hinted bout it on the air. We will wait and see...

Hmm - stretching Knight. That seems drastic. He does have a skill set. Can we send money to the team.

I think there is a trade out there - might be for a lousy contract . I know I mention Shumpert a lot as I think the Cavs need more bench scoring.

Somebody mentioned JVal from the Raptors - but that would involved, probably - a future protected first round pick (if its 2020 or later - that's fine). The Raptors are losing Lowery, maybe Knight would work for them as another guard option behind Joseph and DeRozan

Maybe next week, Gambo will have news

I know, stretching Knight's contract is not the best option. But if you do the numbers, its only $6,270,536 per season.

Current
Season / Age / Salary
2017-18 / 25 / $13,618,750
2018-19 / 26 / $14,631,250
2019-20 / 27 / $15,643,750

Knight's Contract Stretched (remaining years (3) x 2 + 1 year = 7 years)
Season / Salary
2017-18 / $6,270,536
2018-19 / $6,270,536
2019-20 / $6,270,536
2020-21 / $6,270,536
2021-22 / $6,270,536
2022-23 / $6,270,536
2023-24 / $6,270,536

The best option is obviously to get out of the contract but the Suns will probably need to take on an equal contract (change of scenery for 2 players), or add an asset or two for a team to bite.

Not my money but I try to find a bad contract match or bring him back to camp. He was a good player with Milwaukee - need to get that guy back

[Frank Lee]

even money kobi simmons gets a summer league invite.

Memphis signed him

That was fast....

No PGs for summer league... or..... did we draft our Point Forward ?

[Son of Ra]

Spoiler:

I think the Suns will be trading (maybe stretching) Knight's contract. Gambo has mentioned something to Burns off the air regarding Knight and later hinted bout it on the air. We will wait and see...

Hmm - stretching Knight. That seems drastic. He does have a skill set. Can we send money to the team.

I think there is a trade out there - might be for a lousy contract . I know I mention Shumpert a lot as I think the Cavs need more bench scoring.

Somebody mentioned JVal from the Raptors - but that would involved, probably - a future protected first round pick (if its 2020 or later - that's fine). The Raptors are losing Lowery, maybe Knight would work for them as another guard option behind Joseph and DeRozan

Maybe next week, Gambo will have news

I know, stretching Knight's contract is not the best option. But if you do the numbers, its only $6,270,536 per season.

Current
Season / Age / Salary
2017-18 / 25 / $13,618,750
2018-19 / 26 / $14,631,250
2019-20 / 27 / $15,643,750

Knight's Contract Stretched (remaining years (3) x 2 + 1 year = 7 years)
Season / Salary
2017-18 / $6,270,536
2018-19 / $6,270,536
2019-20 / $6,270,536
2020-21 / $6,270,536
2021-22 / $6,270,536
2022-23 / $6,270,536
2023-24 / $6,270,536

The best option is obviously to get out of the contract but the Suns will probably need to take on an equal contract (change of scenery for 2 players), or add an asset or two for a team to bite.

Stretching would be a terrible idea IMHO. $6,2 million from 2020-24 are gonna hurt us way more than $14,6 million from 2017-20.

[BobbieL]

Spoiler:

Hmm - stretching Knight. That seems drastic. He does have a skill set. Can we send money to the team.

I think there is a trade out there - might be for a lousy contract . I know I mention Shumpert a lot as I think the Cavs need more bench scoring.

Somebody mentioned JVal from the Raptors - but that would involved, probably - a future protected first round pick (if its 2020 or later - that's fine). The Raptors are losing Lowery, maybe Knight would work for them as another guard option behind Joseph and DeRozan

Maybe next week, Gambo will have news

I know, stretching Knight's contract is not the best option. But if you do the numbers, its only $6,270,536 per season.

Current
Season / Age / Salary
2017-18 / 25 / $13,618,750
2018-19 / 26 / $14,631,250
2019-20 / 27 / $15,643,750

Knight's Contract Stretched (remaining years (3) x 2 + 1 year = 7 years)
Season / Salary
2017-18 / $6,270,536
2018-19 / $6,270,536
2019-20 / $6,270,536
2020-21 / $6,270,536
2021-22 / $6,270,536
2022-23 / $6,270,536
2023-24 / $6,270,536

The best option is obviously to get out of the contract but the Suns will probably need to take on an equal contract (change of scenery for 2 players), or add an asset or two for a team to bite.

Stretching would be a terrible idea IMHO. $6,2 million from 2020-24 are gonna hurt us way more than $14,6 million from 2017-20.

I agree with that. I think there is a bad contract out there - I know I am pimping for Shumper but he is one year less and cheaper and the Cavs owner does whacky stuff so why not keep banging that door down

Personally I wish Knight were the player he was in Milwaukee - as that's a good player!

[Blackification]

We really need to focus on the Center position going forward, I am really not sure if Bender will ever be able to play it, I know Len is definitely not the guy, Williams will be a good back up, but I see that as our biggest hole going forward. SG, SF, PF I feel I confident we have our guys of the future with Booker, Jackson, and Chriss and even PG i am confident with Bledsoe and Ulis (so underrated).

[nevetsov]

Lateral trade that I'd be interested in just to get Knight off the team:

Suns out: Knight
Suns in: Plumlee, Delon Wright (PG)

Swaps 3 years of Knight for 3 years of a slightly cheaper Plumlee. Also, we lock in youngish third stringers at positions of need (PG, C) who can pinch hit whenever the rotational guys are out. Basically, if we have to spend Knight's money, may as well use it to cover a need.

Raptors out: Carroll, Valuncunias, Wright
Raptors in: Knight

Clears a ton of cap for them and replaces the departing Lowry with a young replacement. Good fit next to Derozan, he needs to be paired with a three point Chucker in the backcourt.

Hawks out: Plumlee
Hawks in: Valuncunias, Carroll

Upgrade the C position for their youth movement and get a vet that was part of their last successful team. They have cap to burn so no worries with the salary.

Kind of a meh trade, perhaps Hawks could send Milsap to Toronto too and get a pick back, if they think they won't be able to use their capspace for anyone better.

[Qwigglez]

Not sure why everyone is against getting a quality veteran. Maybe some of you don't realize, but we have to reach the salary floor minimum. I'd prefer not to use the cap space on some washed up vet like Andre Iguadala, someone that is just going to sit on the bench and be another mentor. I'd prefer not to use the cap space on our own restricted free agents (Williams/Len). I expect us to reach a deal with Warren by the end of summer, and possibly with Williams or Len and then next off-season we won't have as much cap space. Then next summer Booker will get his max contract which won't start til 2019-20 season. So we are using all our cap space on the team that won 24 games, praying everyone reaches their potential.

It's a slippery slope to just put all our eggs in one basket and hope year after year we strike gold in the draft.

[Qwigglez]

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[Phystic]

Someone mentioned McD saying JJ not working out for Boston had to do with us. Is there a link/video somewhere of a McD interview? I haven't found it

[Phystic]

Not sure why everyone is against getting a quality veteran. Maybe some of you don't realize, but we have to reach the salary floor minimum. I'd prefer not to use the cap space on some washed up vet like Andre Iguadala, someone that is just going to sit on the bench and be another mentor. I'd prefer not to use the cap space on our own restricted free agents (Williams/Len). I expect us to reach a deal with Warren by the end of summer, and possibly with Williams or Len and then next off-season we won't have as much cap space. Then next summer Booker will get his max contract which won't start til 2019-20 season. So we are using all our cap space on the team that won 24 games, praying everyone reaches their potential.

It's a slippery slope to just put all our eggs in one basket and hope year after year we strike gold in the draft.

But if that's your concern, how is spending cap money now on a veteran and still having to resign Williams or Len and then max Booker next summer? That would just put us over the cap with a slightly better bad team, wouldn't it?

[Kerrsed]

Im still all about going after Blake. He can score, he can rebound, he can facilitate, he's exciting as hell to watch, pay the man to put on a Suns jersey! Slide Chriss over to C and lets do this damn thing!

Bledsoe/Booker/Jackson/Griffin/Chriss