Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central

[MettaWorldPanda]

So sick and tired of the Waiters hate. We turned him into an elite player. He bought into the system and did everything we told him too. He's going to be a steal for us if we get him at anything under 15 per.

People forget this guy was a #4 pick a few years ago

It almost feels like they didn't even watch him play this past year. If he doesn't get hit with some bad luck we go steam rolling into the playoffs.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

I'll take Waiters over Gay. Waiters is 25 or 26 years old and has more potential.

This is about to be Season 7 he is pretty much who he is at this point. How much better can dion get? Rudy is a better player than Dion across the board at the same cost why not get the guy that allows you to remain flexible in Rudy instead getting tied down by a long term contract with a guy we're not sure can be consistently good.

I mean look at his body? he's way more healthier and athletic than he has been his whole career. Dion can still get better imo and has only breached the surface. Dion does alot more for the team than Rudy would do. Rudy doesn't make his teammates better. Dion showed his passing ability this season. If he didn't have such a crappy start he would be averaging the same amount as Rudy would.

Dion > Rudy

The crappy start is part of the reason why i'm skeptical. This team has 30-11 in them but it also has 11-30 too
Dion benefited from playing in a better system. Rudy would too and is already better imo. I think Rudy would actually come cheaper which should allow us to get the more important piece in JJ easier.

[MettaWorldPanda]

This is about to be Season 7 he is pretty much who he is at this point. How much better can dion get? Rudy is a better player than Dion across the board at the same cost why not get the guy that allows you to remain flexible in Rudy instead getting tied down by a long term contract with a guy we're not sure can be consistently good.

I mean look at his body? he's way more healthier and athletic than he has been his whole career. Dion can still get better imo and has only breached the surface. Dion does alot more for the team than Rudy would do. Rudy doesn't make his teammates better. Dion showed his passing ability this season. If he didn't have such a crappy start he would be averaging the same amount as Rudy would.

Dion > Rudy

The crappy start is part of the reason why i'm skeptical. This team has 30-11 in them but it also has 11-30 too
Dion benefited from playing in a better system. Rudy would too and is already better imo. I think Rudy would actually come cheaper which should allow us to get the more important piece in JJ easier.

Dion also missed 25 games at the start of the year. Our complete turnaround came when he was back in the lineup. Our down fall at the end of the year was when he was out of the lineup.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Josh Richardson has to start again for this team we are coughing up a prime pick to the Suns.

[MettaWorldPanda]

How much is mcgiver going to get paid this year ?

6.5 million. Criminal

Couldn't we get someone more season than him or no one worth it at that price

It's a good possibility if we really need the money he's going to get stretched. It will open up 4 million in cap. It's still a possibility he gets dealt but we would have to give up an asset like Richardson for free and that just makes no sense. I'm good with stretching him at this point if anything just to free up the roster spot.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

I mean look at his body? he's way more healthier and athletic than he has been his whole career. Dion can still get better imo and has only breached the surface. Dion does alot more for the team than Rudy would do. Rudy doesn't make his teammates better. Dion showed his passing ability this season. If he didn't have such a crappy start he would be averaging the same amount as Rudy would.

Dion > Rudy

The crappy start is part of the reason why i'm skeptical. This team has 30-11 in them but it also has 11-30 too
Dion benefited from playing in a better system. Rudy would too and is already better imo. I think Rudy would actually come cheaper which should allow us to get the more important piece in JJ easier.

Dion also missed 25 games at the start of the year. Our complete turnaround came when he was back in the lineup. Our down fall at the end of the year was when he was out of the lineup.

I agree that if Dion was healthy at the end of the season we would've made the playoffs but even before the first injury he started off the season slow. If the price is reasonable I cool with bringing back Dion but I think he's going to come at a cost and that's risky for a half year wonder so far. I misspoke when I said I'd take Rudy at the same price as dion. If Dion is gonna get in that 18-20Mil range i want nothing to do with players of that caliber at that price.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The crappy start is part of the reason why i'm skeptical. This team has 30-11 in them but it also has 11-30 too
Dion benefited from playing in a better system. Rudy would too and is already better imo. I think Rudy would actually come cheaper which should allow us to get the more important piece in JJ easier.

Dion also missed 25 games at the start of the year. Our complete turnaround came when he was back in the lineup. Our down fall at the end of the year was when he was out of the lineup.

I agree that if Dion was healthy at the end of the season we would've made the playoffs but even before the first injury he started off the season slow. If the price is reasonable I cool with bringing back Dion but I think he's going to come at a cost and that's risky for a half year wonder so far. I misspoke when I said I'd take Rudy at the same price as dion. If Dion is gonna get in that 18-20Mil range i want nothing to do with players of that caliber at that price.

I agree that I would prefer not to give 18-20 for Dion. I think if we could get him at 15 or below i'd be thrilled. I honestly think that if it's between our 15 and another teams 18 he would take our offer with an early opt out in his deal to get bird rights in a few years. I think the lower cap figure around the league helps temper a big money figure like 18-20 for Dion.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we could get Waiters at 15, JJ at 12, free up an extra 4 million from Mcbob giving us 15 million more to spend we could round out a playoff roster that will give teams in the East hell.

[MettaWorldPanda]

JJ has been partaking in every heat off season workout and PR appearances. He has no obligation to do that. I'm feeling pretty good he's already been given a figure he's happy with.

[leoshes]

Disagree, if the incentives are there, def can see Riles going mafia on Ainge "Gave him an offer he couldn't refuse" and take advantage.

You underestimate how stubborn, & hard headed he realy is. It would have to be something that would help us compete with them & a trade like that hardly ever happens.

Don't get me wrong I'm not betting my house on it. Maybe it just me but Ainge gives me the impression that he can be a wee bit desperate and in that scenario, feel like Riles would put is differences aside to snipe some assets from him.

Maybe, anything could happen. But i do know that they've have not liked each other since Ainge's playing days.

[DayofMourning]

With Hayward and George on the top of Boston's list, could we pry away Jae Crowder somehow? Might be the best contract in the league for his production. They need cap, and they already have a bevy of wings.

[leoshes]

Guys its friday & i need a drink. See you guys after the buzz kicks in.

[MettaWorldPanda]

With Hayward and George on the top of Boston's list, could we pry away Jae Crowder somehow? Might be the best contract in the league for his production. They need cap, and they already have a bevy of wings.

Doubt it. He's probably going to be used in the deal to get George. I also doubt we'll be involved in facilitating anything in this deal.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Guys its friday & i need a drink. See you guys after the buzz kicks in.

I had 4 sake bombs at dinner tonight. I'm feeling real goos

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Vet minimum. Backup to Dion. Sure

[DayofMourning]

With Hayward and George on the top of Boston's list, could we pry away Jae Crowder somehow? Might be the best contract in the league for his production. They need cap, and they already have a bevy of wings.

Doubt it. He's probably going to be used in the deal to get George. I also doubt we'll be involved in facilitating anything in this deal.

Here's a question for you-would you rather have Hayward at 20+ million (discount price considering his max) or Jae at 7 million?

[MettaWorldPanda]

With Hayward and George on the top of Boston's list, could we pry away Jae Crowder somehow? Might be the best contract in the league for his production. They need cap, and they already have a bevy of wings.

Doubt it. He's probably going to be used in the deal to get George. I also doubt we'll be involved in facilitating anything in this deal.

Here's a question for you-would you rather have Hayward at 20+ million (discount price considering his max) or Jae at 7 million?

Hayward at 20 million discount easy. I like Crowder but he's more of a grinder type player in my eyes.

[DayofMourning]

Hayward at 20 million discount easy. I like Crowder but he's more of a grinder type player in my eyes.

Really? That quick and easy of a decision?

Take a look at this:

Hayward vs Crowder 2016

They're basically the same player stat wise, except for Hayward's shot volume being 50% greater. Thought that was interesting.

[Dr_Heat]

Guys its friday & i need a drink. See you guys after the buzz kicks in.

I had 4 sake bombs at dinner tonight. I'm feeling real goos

Sushi Maki?
RA sushi?

[twix2500]

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Vet minimum. Backup to Dion. Sure

Dragic - Wade, Hayward - Aldridge - Whiteside ~ Lets go!