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Post#21 » by dirkforpres » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:43 pm

k-lynch201 wrote:Couldn't be happier that our guy fell to us.

But does anyone get a slight vibe that RC and DSJ may clash?

Obv this isn't Rondo but DSJ is a strong personality, RC seems demanding his PG's listen.


Not worried. They'll probably have a couple of power struggles at first but it'll subside. Carlisle worked wonders with egomaniacs before (aside from Rondo)... Ellis, Mayo, Kidd, D-Will all played excellent ball under Rick. Smith is going to be a beast with us.
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Post#22 » by Jinra » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:56 pm

Rick Carlisle leaves no doubt Mavs wanted Dennis Smith over Frank Ntilikina, saying there was "uproarious" applause when Knicks made pick.
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Post#23 » by 2011Champs » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:25 pm

I've got my fingers crossed. Hope Dallas made the right choice.
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Post#25 » by Dirk » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:02 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:

I wonder if Dallas really did try hard to get the Knicks to think Dallas wanted the French guy.

It went from Smith hardly being mentioned until a couple of days ago... to now seeing that there's a genuine feeling from the organization that they genuinely feel lucky to have landed this guy.

Ironic thing is... I am not a fan of Westbrook or Rose... or Bledsoe... and at the same time I was mesmerized by watching this guy play, his athleticism and fluidity. Hopefully he adapts well to the modern NBA game and the Mavs play fun free flowing basketball like they did with Monta Ellis in his 1st year.
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Post#26 » by Pinkyring » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:16 pm

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Clyde Frazier wrote:

I wonder if Dallas really did try hard to get the Knicks to think Dallas wanted the French guy.

It went from Smith hardly being mentioned until a couple of days ago... to now seeing that there's a genuine feeling from the organization that they genuinely feel lucky to have landed this guy.

Ironic thing is... I am not a fan of Westbrook or Rose... or Bledsoe... and at the same time I was mesmerized by watching this guy play, his athleticism and fluidity. Hopefully he adapts well to the modern NBA game and the Mavs play fun free flowing basketball like they did with Monta Ellis in his 1st year.

Yea i agree on the last part. I dont mind if we suck again next year as long as its fun basketball dsj and noel improve, not expecting anything more from barnes as he's peaked imo. Id like to not sign old guys and try to lock up mcclemore and thomas robinson
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Post#27 » by Mr B » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:17 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:

I wonder if Dallas really did try hard to get the Knicks to think Dallas wanted the French guy.

It went from Smith hardly being mentioned until a couple of days ago... to now seeing that there's a genuine feeling from the organization that they genuinely feel lucky to have landed this guy.

Ironic thing is... I am not a fan of Westbrook or Rose... or Bledsoe... and at the same time I was mesmerized by watching this guy play, his athleticism and fluidity. Hopefully he adapts well to the modern NBA game and the Mavs play fun free flowing basketball like they did with Monta Ellis in his 1st year.

Yea i agree on the last part. I dont mind if we suck again next year as long as its fun basketball dsj and noel improve, not expecting anything more from barnes as he's peaked imo. Id like to not sign old guys and try to lock up mcclemore and thomas robinson


I don't think Barnes has peaked at all. With his work ethic I see him being able to add to his game well into his career like Dirk did. Remember Dirk didn't add that one legged fade away he made so popular until he was in his 30's.
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Post#28 » by f l u r p » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:25 pm

A good pick. While he is not the type of PG that I would build around from scratch he's a great fit for the Mavs and what they need.
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Post#29 » by Pinkyring » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:51 pm

Mr B wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
Dirk Nowitzki wrote:I wonder if Dallas really did try hard to get the Knicks to think Dallas wanted the French guy.

It went from Smith hardly being mentioned until a couple of days ago... to now seeing that there's a genuine feeling from the organization that they genuinely feel lucky to have landed this guy.

Ironic thing is... I am not a fan of Westbrook or Rose... or Bledsoe... and at the same time I was mesmerized by watching this guy play, his athleticism and fluidity. Hopefully he adapts well to the modern NBA game and the Mavs play fun free flowing basketball like they did with Monta Ellis in his 1st year.

Yea i agree on the last part. I dont mind if we suck again next year as long as its fun basketball dsj and noel improve, not expecting anything more from barnes as he's peaked imo. Id like to not sign old guys and try to lock up mcclemore and thomas robinson


I don't think Barnes has peaked at all. With his work ethic I see him being able to add to his game well into his career like Dirk did. Remember Dirk didn't add that one legged fade away he made so popular until he was in his 30's.

Barnes hasnt improved in 3 years so id love it if he blossomed to a borderline all star but i dont see it. Hioe im wrong
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Post#30 » by daoneandonly » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:02 pm

Barnes is worth 22-24 million 100 times out of 100 when compared to Wes Matthews at 18 million
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Post#31 » by Jinra » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:24 pm

I gotta hand it to the Mavericks, in about 4 months they solidified the top 2 hardest positions to fill, Point Guard and Center. They should both be wrapped up for the next 4-5 years. They are both 2-way players and high-energy guys. Now, we just need shooters and rebounding.

Oh yeah, and that's why they said no to Minny...it's not that they wanted Wes, but it was that they didn't want Rubio after all. They were eye-balling Dennis the whole time.
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Post#32 » by Darren » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:41 pm

Jinra wrote:I gotta hand it to the Mavericks, in about 4 months they solidified the top 2 hardest positions to fill, Point Guard and Center. They should both be wrapped up for the next 4-5 years. They are both 2-way players and high-energy guys. Now, we just need shooters and rebounding.

Oh yeah, and that's why they said no to Minny...it's not that they wanted Wes, but it was that they didn't want Rubio after all. They were eye-balling Dennis the whole time.


Exactly, the easy target should be DeMarcus Cousins. The Mavs looks appealing to him now with 3 core pieces. And Cousins can be the next face of the Franchise. He doesn't seem to fit too well alongside AD. And he's definitely be a first option as a Mavs. Noel can cover a lot of grounds defensively. Offensively, Noel needs a stretching 4 to space the floor. Cousins is much more than that. With an explosive guy in picknroll setting, Cousins can score more effecively and find his assist number raised significantly. Both Noel and Smith are easy targets due to their quickness and mismatches created.
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Post#33 » by Mr B » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:14 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
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Pinkyring wrote:Yea i agree on the last part. I dont mind if we suck again next year as long as its fun basketball dsj and noel improve, not expecting anything more from barnes as he's peaked imo. Id like to not sign old guys and try to lock up mcclemore and thomas robinson


I don't think Barnes has peaked at all. With his work ethic I see him being able to add to his game well into his career like Dirk did. Remember Dirk didn't add that one legged fade away he made so popular until he was in his 30's.

Barnes hasnt improved in 3 years so id love it if he blossomed to a borderline all star but i dont see it. Hioe im wrong


Barnes hasn't improved in 3 years? Did you not watch any Mavs games this past year? He was light years better than the player he was in Golden State.
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Post#34 » by Mr B » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:24 pm

Darren wrote:
Jinra wrote:I gotta hand it to the Mavericks, in about 4 months they solidified the top 2 hardest positions to fill, Point Guard and Center. They should both be wrapped up for the next 4-5 years. They are both 2-way players and high-energy guys. Now, we just need shooters and rebounding.

Oh yeah, and that's why they said no to Minny...it's not that they wanted Wes, but it was that they didn't want Rubio after all. They were eye-balling Dennis the whole time.


Exactly, the easy target should be DeMarcus Cousins. The Mavs looks appealing to him now with 3 core pieces. And Cousins can be the next face of the Franchise. He doesn't seem to fit too well alongside AD. And he's definitely be a first option as a Mavs. Noel can cover a lot of grounds defensively. Offensively, Noel needs a stretching 4 to space the floor. Cousins is much more than that. With an explosive guy in picknroll setting, Cousins can score more effecively and find his assist number raised significantly. Both Noel and Smith are easy targets due to their quickness and mismatches created.


Stay far away from Cousins. He's the Terrell Owens of the NBA. Absolute locker room cancer. I want no part of him influencing DSJ or Noel.
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Post#35 » by Pinkyring » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:08 pm

Mr B wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
Mr B wrote:
I don't think Barnes has peaked at all. With his work ethic I see him being able to add to his game well into his career like Dirk did. Remember Dirk didn't add that one legged fade away he made so popular until he was in his 30's.

Barnes hasnt improved in 3 years so id love it if he blossomed to a borderline all star but i dont see it. Hioe im wrong


Barnes hasn't improved in 3 years? Did you not watch any Mavs games this past year? He was light years better than the player he was in Golden State.

At what? His scoring doubled because his fga doubled his efficiency got worse his rebounding and assist didnt improve despite more minutes and more touches. Not to mention we didnt start winning games until dirk returned. He didnt get better and that's a fact
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Post#36 » by Bobalob » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:31 pm

Very confused what it is that people DONT see in him. All the other top prospects have potentially unfixable limitations: no J (Jackson), too skinny (Isaacs), footspeed (Ball). Dennis Smith's knock is his team was bad and his 'motor'?!?! What is he a defensive tackle!? His detractions make no sense. He's built for this era of PGs he is going to EAT
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Post#37 » by Mr B » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:57 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
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Pinkyring wrote:Barnes hasnt improved in 3 years so id love it if he blossomed to a borderline all star but i dont see it. Hioe im wrong


Barnes hasn't improved in 3 years? Did you not watch any Mavs games this past year? He was light years better than the player he was in Golden State.

At what? His scoring doubled because his fga doubled his efficiency got worse his rebounding and assist didnt improve despite more minutes and more touches. Not to mention we didnt start winning games until dirk returned. He didnt get better and that's a fact


His inside game improved, and he showed that he's a capable back to the basket player. He NEVER showed that in GS. His defense was clearly better too. He did get better and that's a fact.
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Post#38 » by Pointgod » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:30 am

Man Mavs got one of the steals of the draft. Could be the a top 5 player. The Mavs are shaping up to be a decent team.
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Post#39 » by Darren » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:38 am

Bobalob wrote:Very confused what it is that people DONT see in him. All the other top prospects have potentially unfixable limitations: no J (Jackson), too skinny (Isaacs), footspeed (Ball). Dennis Smith's knock is his team was bad and his 'motor'?!?! What is he a defensive tackle!? His detractions make no sense. He's built for this era of PGs he is going to EAT


Looking at the draft board, I am more comfortable him lacking size. Actually both CP3 and Curry have the same wingspan. I don't see a problem for him to be solid defensively. The competition is not that intense. Who do we have on the defensive end at 1 anyway? No one, indeed. Our PG defense sucked last season. If you call Seth Curry the best defensive player among our 1, you can see Smith as a significant upgrade on this regard as well. And he's the most ready and best fit to a system feature a lot of pick-n-roll with a great collection of shooters. That's the best fit in the draft.

Both Fultz, Fox, Mitchell and Monk are actually SG. Ball may find a serious problem sticking with most PG who's moderately quick. Ntilikina is more a 3-and-d guy at this PG. We just need to make sure that he makes teammates better in his first season. I consider leadership and intangible as the most important quality we want from him.

We don't want him being another Derrick Rose. He means much more than a Derrick Rose with a jumper. We know he can score but we want him to distribute for the teams' highest efficiency. Then, this will in turn open the lanes for him. And he'll face less injury problems. I want him to lead by example by playing solid defense night in and night out. We're not drafting him as trade asset but to establish a long term relationship. We want him to lead the team. I don't want him to play a lot of iso attacks. Being able to maximize the strengthes is the most important goal for our leader.

If he can do so, I think highly of the scenario that top-notch FA consider signing with the Mavs. Therefore, I want him, Barnes and Noel set the tone for the new core. I want Barnes to be able to defend like a young Marion and distribute and shooter like Nic Batum at very young age. I want Noel to defend and lead our defense like Chandler and maximize his mismatch quality with his footspeed offensively. I like our chance. If Wes opts out like Gasol does for SAS, I can see Cousins sign with us with Wes taking less to stay in service. That's a really good core for rebuilding and retooling. We can enjoy watching them play again. Last season's game left a lot to be desired. The Mavs played like a NBDL team most of the time last season.
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Post#40 » by Darren » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:45 am

I want Smith to be the 'definition' to the team. I won't mind this being his new nickname league wise.

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