Woj: Indy/Boston/PG

[Green_teamer]

OK. I heard Stevens' comments about Tatum... he could care less about the guy.

By everything I've seen Stevens is in love with him and seems excited for next year. Ainge was just on the radio and he said he could definitely say he would of taken Tatum # 1

He probably said same thing bout Brown last yr after the pick lol

Hes really happy with Brown so far.

[NoZoLakers]

By everything I've seen Stevens is in love with him and seems excited for next year. Ainge was just on the radio and he said he could definitely say he would of taken Tatum # 1

He probably said same thing bout Brown last yr after the pick lol

Hes really happy with Brown so far.

I dont doubt it, just saying he probably had same thought last yr too bout brown being the pick if he had #1 too lol

[Golabki]

Probably just Bradley/Crowder/Clips 1st or something along those lines. No chance BOS gives up Tatum or BKN '18 for George given the circumstances and what Butler just got traded for.

Yeah - if butler went a a quarter and 2 dimes...

I don't know that either LaVine or No. 7 is a dime.

7 is the quarter. LaVine and Dunn are dimes.

[jbk1234]

Yeah - if butler went a a quarter and 2 dimes...

I don't know that either LaVine or No. 7 is a dime.

7 is the quarter. LaVine and Dunn are dimes.

LaVine averaged almost 19 ppg w/ an effective FG% of .544 last year.

[Texas Chuck]

I don't know that either LaVine or No. 7 is a dime.

7 is the quarter. LaVine and Dunn are dimes.

LaVine averaged almost 19 ppg w/ an effective FG% of .544 last year.

And conceded 25 ppg with an eFG of 61%

No doubt he can score. But so could Kevin Martin. Not as flashy but even more efficient. But until he can do more than that, he's not really a positive impact guy.

[DK-All Day]

I don't know that either LaVine or No. 7 is a dime.

7 is the quarter. LaVine and Dunn are dimes.

LaVine averaged almost 19 ppg w/ an effective FG% of .544 last year.

He's coming off a torn ACL. It's not as devastating as it was 20 -30 years ago, but it's a pretty significant injury. Minnesota sold him off at his absolute worst value.

[basketballwacko2]

So how exactly do the Celtics manage to land both Hayward and George if that is indeed the intention?

Presumably they have to sign Hayward first. To create max cap space they have to renounce all FA's stash Yabusele again and trade both Terry Rozier and Demetrius Jackson (and that still leaves them $350k short based on the new cap).

So they've got to move one of Smart, Bradley, Crowder in order to create enough space to get Hayward in the first place. Then how do they match salaries, assuming that Tatum/Brown aren't included in the deal?

Seems like it's possible to get them together on the same team, but there's a lot of maneuvering that needs to be done to get them there.

First of all they have to wait to sign Tatum. Then renounce all free agents, Amir, Jerebko, Olynyk, Green, and James Young and dump Zeller before July 2nd to avoid his guarantee.

Then you could trade Al Horford to the Spurs for LMA and Dejounte Murray or Kyle Anderson. That should create the space needed.

Then you sign Hayward and extend and trade for Paul George sending either Rozier, or Murray, Crowder, Brooklyn 2018 and Clippers 2019.

[basketballwacko2]

7 is the quarter. LaVine and Dunn are dimes.

LaVine averaged almost 19 ppg w/ an effective FG% of .544 last year.

He's coming off a torn ACL. It's not as devastating as it was 20 -30 years ago, but it's a pretty significant injury. Minnesota sold him off at his absolute worst value.

I like the way LaVine plays let's hope his knew is healed well.

[jayjaysee]

his absolute worst value.

Did they? Or do we just value him less? Because we all feel Minnesota stole Butler because Zach/Dunn value is so low.. But maybe we just value them less than real life does. And then the trade wasn't as lopsided.

Cause I don't see how Minnesota steals Butler and sold Zach cheap at the same time?


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[Patsfan1081]

I've been defending Ainge for way too long, I give up. The timing is just to perfect, the guys been floating these names to the media for way too long, and when somone finally becomes available for an affordable price it's on to the next name. I'm a bit convinced that he using the "Tatum was our guy" narrative to shield a bit of the possible backlash if Tatum doesn't end up best in the draft class...I guess I'm still a bit upset he passed on Fultz.

[OrlandoDream]

I think Tatum will be traded for PG. Jaylen Brown is gonna be a baller and he is also an SF. So would he need to slide to the 2 guard if Cs keep Tatum? I mean with Crowder and possibly Hayward coming I don't know where Tatum is gonna find the minutes. He is still a very sought out player.

[basketballwacko2]

I wouldn't want any of Boston's current players because people like Smart and Bradley will be up for new contracts next summer.

I wouldn't do it without Tatum and the Nets 18.

Tatum would be nice because he plays the position just vacated by PG and if the Celtics are getting PG and Hayward they'd have 5 small forwards. That said I don't see them sending him out. Crowder is more likely. With George extended for 3 years the rental argument is moot. Crowder, Rozier, Bradley 2018 brooklyn and 2019 Clippers would be a fair deal.

[basketballwacko2]

Please no-one wants that trash from Boston with or without extension from PG. If PG signs extension, the going rate is more like 5 lottery picks.

Lol your going to be so upset with whatever he goes for I can't wait.

Lol, Cousin goes for what 3 recent lottery picks, 1 yr and about 25 games, close to a rental.

How do you figure 3 lottery picks, Bobby Hield was picked in 2016, they got a 2017 #1 and a 2nd round pick plus a bunch of junk.

[basketballwacko2]

Tatum, Bradley, and the 2019 MEM 1st for PG

The only problem is tying it to Hayward, I think he's staying.

If Heyward is coming we need to trade Bradley and Crowder for george with another small contract like Smart or Jackson...and ainge wouldn't even put Tatum on the table for Butler who had 2 years left he's not going to offer it for George. But if Heyward isn't coming then this whole exercise is moot because this is all contingent on Heyward coming

So let me get this straight you say that Butler was worth so much more than George because he had 2 yrs left on his deal. If PG was to do an extend and trade according to the wiretap story I linked, George would then have 3 years left on his contract, correct?

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246460/Paul-Georges-RE-Would-Be-$94M-Over-Three-Years-Expires-When-Eligible-For-35-Percent-Max

[Green_teamer]

Tatum, Bradley, and the 2019 MEM 1st for PG

The only problem is tying it to Hayward, I think he's staying.

If Heyward is coming we need to trade Bradley and Crowder for george with another small contract like Smart or Jackson...and ainge wouldn't even put Tatum on the table for Butler who had 2 years left he's not going to offer it for George. But if Heyward isn't coming then this whole exercise is moot because this is all contingent on Heyward coming

So let me get this straight you say that Butler was worth so much more than George because he had 2 yrs left on his deal. If PG was to do an extend and trade according to the wiretap story I linked, George would then have 3 years left on his contract, correct?

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246460/Paul-Georges-RE-Would-Be-$94M-Over-Three-Years-Expires-When-Eligible-For-35-Percent-Max

I still don't know how much that increases his value cause by all accounts he'd only agree to an extension with us.

[basketballwacko2]

If Heyward is coming we need to trade Bradley and Crowder for george with another small contract like Smart or Jackson...and ainge wouldn't even put Tatum on the table for Butler who had 2 years left he's not going to offer it for George. But if Heyward isn't coming then this whole exercise is moot because this is all contingent on Heyward coming

So let me get this straight you say that Butler was worth so much more than George because he had 2 yrs left on his deal. If PG was to do an extend and trade according to the wiretap story I linked, George would then have 3 years left on his contract, correct?

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246460/Paul-Georges-RE-Would-Be-$94M-Over-Three-Years-Expires-When-Eligible-For-35-Percent-Max

I still don't know how much that increases his value cause by all accounts he'd only agree to an extension with us.

The idea from the reports is that he wants to play with Hayward, if boston was not willing to make a good offer then Indiana could treat them like every other team dealing george to the Cavs, Spurs, clippers or some one else willing to rent him.

It's time for Celtics fans and the management to consolidate assets, by my count they have LAL 2018, Brooklyn 2018, their own 2018, their own 2019, Clippers 2019 and Griz 2019, and I'm assuming a bunch of 2nds. Plus players stashed in Europe.

The current players there's IT, Bradley, Smart, Brown, Crowder, Horford, Tatum, Olynyk, Rozier, Amir Johnson, Jerebko and Zeller. And assorted minor players.

That group is not getting past the Cavs or Warriors. They are not garbage by any stroke of the imagination, but not good enough to advance and Washington is right behind them.

Adding Hayward in FA would be a huge step in the right direction and if Paul George did want to sign a 3 yr extension and play for the Celtics the new team of IT, Smart, Brown Tatum, George, Horford, Hayward looks a lot more formidable.

The assumption being you give Bradley, Crowder and some assortment of draft picks to get George once Hayward is signed.

[Green_teamer]

So let me get this straight you say that Butler was worth so much more than George because he had 2 yrs left on his deal. If PG was to do an extend and trade according to the wiretap story I linked, George would then have 3 years left on his contract, correct?

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246460/Paul-Georges-RE-Would-Be-$94M-Over-Three-Years-Expires-When-Eligible-For-35-Percent-Max

I still don't know how much that increases his value cause by all accounts he'd only agree to an extension with us.

The idea from the reports is that he wants to play with Hayward, if boston was not willing to make a good offer then Indiana could treat them like every other team dealing george to the Cavs, Spurs, clippers or some one else willing to rent him.

It's time for Celtics fans and the management to consolidate assets, by my count they have LAL 2018, Brooklyn 2018, their own 2018, their own 2019, Clippers 2019 and Griz 2019, and I'm assuming a bunch of 2nds. Plus players stashed in Europe.

The current players there's IT, Bradley, Smart, Brown, Crowder, Horford, Tatum, Olynyk, Rozier, Amir Johnson, Jerebko and Zeller. And assorted minor players.

That group is not getting past the Cavs or Warriors. They are not garbage by any stroke of the imagination, but not good enough to advance and Washington is right behind them.

Adding Hayward in FA would be a huge step in the right direction and if Paul George did want to sign a 3 yr extension and play for the Celtics the new team of IT, Smart, Brown Tatum, George, Horford, Hayward looks a lot more formidable.

The assumption being you give Bradley, Crowder and some assortment of draft picks to get George once Hayward is signed.

The lal/sac/Phi pick will absolutely involved but I guarantee you that Tatum Brooklyn 18 and a Jaylen Brown aren't involved..

Bradley Crowder Rozier lal/sac/Phi bos 18 mephis pick clipper pick.

I doubt any other team would offer even close to that. No need for a Brooklyn pick involved. It does give them a good chance at a high lottery pick though which they need

[patman52]

I think Tatum will be traded for PG. Jaylen Brown is gonna be a baller and he is also an SF. So would he need to slide to the 2 guard if Cs keep Tatum? I mean with Crowder and possibly Hayward coming I don't know where Tatum is gonna find the minutes. He is still a very sought out player.

I think Brown to the 2 has always been the plan. There is no way they keep Bradley after next year, so you make the move 1 year ahead. As a lot of posters have pointed out much better than I, there is little diff in SG/Wing/SF designations. The shorter guy is just refered to as a SG it seems, whether or not the SF is a better ball handler.

[patman52]

I wouldn't want any of Boston's current players because people like Smart and Bradley will be up for new contracts next summer.

I wouldn't do it without Tatum and the Nets 18.

Tatum would be nice because he plays the position just vacated by PG and if the Celtics are getting PG and Hayward they'd have 5 small forwards. That said I don't see them sending him out. Crowder is more likely. With George extended for 3 years the rental argument is moot. Crowder, Rozier, Bradley 2018 brooklyn and 2019 Clippers would be a fair deal.

What do you mean the rental argument is moot? Just because he is willing to sign with the celts if they land Hayward does not mean Indy can trade him anywhere else. Everybody else but the lakers is going to treat him as a rental.
so the pacers take what Boston offers or takes what LA offers. The proposed trade is contingent on Hayward by both parties, PG and the Celts. Boston just needs to beat the LA Offer.

The celts by that time have either improved their team by Hayward and Tatum,

[BleedGreen1989]

I've been defending Ainge for way too long, I give up. The timing is just to perfect, the guys been floating these names to the media for way too long, and when somone finally becomes available for an affordable price it's on to the next name. I'm a bit convinced that he using the "Tatum was our guy" narrative to shield a bit of the possible backlash if Tatum doesn't end up best in the draft class...I guess I'm still a bit upset he passed on Fultz.

What is a price you would of been comfortable paying for Butler?