Official: Jimmy Butler, #16 to Minnesota for Lavine, Dunn, #7 - merged/Justin Patton injured

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Seriously, where's Bullslas at?

[Ralphb07]

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We've talked about this privately but this was the offer the Bulls wanted last year which Minny said no to.

[theanimal23]

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We've talked about this privately but this was the offer the Bulls wanted last year which Minny said no to.

Offer being Lavine and Dunn (#5) last year?

Or Bulls wanting to keep #16?

[TheGOATRises007]

Offer being Lavine and Dunn last year I'm pretty sure.

Funny part is, relatively that was a better offer than this year.

Bulls should have taken that offer, sucked this year(got a top 3 pick in all likelihood) and you've maybe got Fultz as a cornerstone now.

Such a terrible mishap.

[Ralphb07]

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We've talked about this privately but this was the offer the Bulls wanted last year which Minny said no to.

Offer being Lavine and Dunn (#5) last year?

Or Bulls wanting to keep #16?

Last year the Bulls wanted Dunn, Lavine and Minnesota's 2017 1st which Minny didn't budge. I know Doug was going in that deal as well.

[RedBulls23]

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[BJaysRaps]

not here to troll, but your FO seems quite stupid. You guys went through Drose, his knee injuries etc and they go out and trade for a guy who tore his ACL? WTF? On top of that you have to give up your pick? Also Kris Dunn value is probably at an all time low because he was a senior and had a horrible rookie season. If i was going to trade for a guy who tore his ACL might as well ask for jabari parker and khris middleton which looks a lot more intriguing.

[BullsFTW]

IDK but Kaplan said that Thibs didn't want to include Lavine. He was trying to even absorb Rondo to save the Bulls money but Bulls said that Lavine had to be in deal to happen. Thibs gave his counter which was 16 and no Rondo.

Anyone that was thinking Brooklyn two picks are going to be disappointed but I spent a whole damn year trying to chill the expectations. What fans/media and actual NBA GMs thought as being fair was totally different. Last year they didn't get offered a top 4 pick and the the same this year.

I get people are upset and will never sway someone but the Bulls indeed took the best offer that was made for Jimmy.

Obviously we'll never know for sure, but I'm having trouble believing that Thibs was willing to walk away from the Butler trade over the 16th pick. LaVine is injured, Dunn had a poor rookie season, and they didn't have a top 3 pick. I just fail to see where their leverage is.

I think Thibs knew that Gar has a history of adding additional picks if he wants to make a trade bad enough and took advantage of that weakness.

It's not hard to believe. Bulls fan hate Dunn but Thibs not so much. So while the board thinks he's nothing Thibs feels he's a valuable player they were giving up. Thibs loved Lavine and imo the injury is the only reason why he moved him. I know this because lady year Thibs in fact walked away from the offer we got yesterday .

I'm sure he loves LaVine. He played him 38 MPG.

[HomoSapien]

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It's so hard for me to believe that they'd walk away from a Butler trade over the 16th pick. I'd have played that game of chicken until the 6th pick.

[BullsFTW]

I just listened to an interview with Danny Ainge in which (interestingly) he said he thought MInnesota gave up a lot. He said Minnesota turned down LaVine and Dunn for Butler last year, and this year they gave up those two plus Markkanen. He thought the trade was beneficial to both teams.

Bulls stuff is at about 6:30 here:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/06/23/celtics-danny-ainge-nba-draft-rumors-trades-toucher-and-rich/

Ainge gonna Ainge.

This reveals alot though because it sounds like he wouldn't have offered Lavine, Dunn, #7....probably making the Minny deal the best deal we had on the table.

Ainge also has his job for life. Thibodeau doesnt have that luxury.

I think many teams felt this year's draft is one of the best in years, which explains why many teams were willing to move up. Teams who had Top 5 picks are asking for a lot since they probably love the talent that were available. They would need to be offered a package they can't refuse. Also, with the salary cap in its highest in years, teams view draft picks as gold.

I like Butler a lot and hate to see him go, and I felt we should've gotten more. I wish we could've kept the 16th pick. But considering all circumstances, this was probably our best offer. No team probably was willing to commit to 28 year old Butler, who will demand the supermax in two years. He can easily walk away. They may also believe his efficiency will decrease as he gets older. He's a guy who relies on physicality, and which can take a toll
on his body. Some teams like Boston probably believe he may be a bad fit, I means who knows.

I do hope we change our front office, but maybe GarPax felt this was the time to cash in on Jimmy. Because if they don't, they risk the chances of Jimmy's value plummeting.

[BullsFTW]

GarPax error was in their approach.

They were seemingly asking after young players like Lavine, Jamal Murray, Jaylen Brown. This is dumb because the clock is already ticking on those guys.

If they wanted to boost the rebuilding, they should have acquired extra picks in the coming years.

Boston was never going to part with Brown. They think he's on track to be something really good:

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My point is we shouldn't have been after Brown in the first place.

We should have been after the 2018 Nets 1st or the pick they got from Philly. Or the Grizzlies 2019.

They refused to include #3 or Nets 2018 Pick.

How can you do business with them if neither assets are offered?

[TheEndIsNigh]

not here to troll, but your FO seems quite stupid. You guys went through Drose, his knee injuries etc and they go out and trade for a guy who tore his ACL? WTF? On top of that you have to give up your pick? Also Kris Dunn value is probably at an all time low because he was a senior and had a horrible rookie season. If i was going to trade for a guy who tore his ACL might as well ask for jabari parker and khris middleton which looks a lot more intriguing.

While your post feels like it is teetering on the edge of trolling, I don't think you are going to find many here who disagree with the sentiment of your message. The torches were out early yesterday, but selling that second round pick was like dumping liquid oxygen on the fire. So much rage.

[BullsFTW]

Offer being Lavine and Dunn last year I'm pretty sure.

Funny part is, relatively that was a better offer than this year.

Bulls should have taken that offer, sucked this year(got a top 3 pick in all likelihood) and you've maybe got Fultz as a cornerstone now.

Such a terrible mishap.

Maybe their theory is, why get Fultz when you can possibly have Porter?

[bullslas]

Seriously, where's Bullslas at?

I'm right here. Bulls flat out lied to Jimmy about not being traded. As of 3pm yesterday, Jimmy was told he had nothing to worry about.

Oh well. I was wrong, Jimmy got traded and the rest of the league players are trashing the Bulls today and it won't stop until the 2 guys and the coach are gone. I wasn't a Jimmy fan but the Bulls absolutely played Jimmy.

[theGreatRC]

For **** and giggles I went onto Minnesota board to see what the fans were saying. While 90% voted they were happy with the trade the comments were interesting. They all wished they could've kept Lavine and the majority were still high on Dunn. I'd go give it a read Bulls fans.

A lot of us have seen every single game of Zach's career. The strides he has made as a basketball player had us torn once we found out he was traded. He was supposed to be #3 from our big 3 of the future.

He is the real key to this trade, I heard he's already running, lifting, getting shots up, etc. He's on track to be back maybe a month after the season starts(Don't quote me on that). We'll see though. I hope he becomes an all-star and proves all us Wolves fans right.

(Dunn was ass last year though)

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Seriously, where's Bullslas at?

I'm right here. Bulls flat out lied to Jimmy about not being traded. As of 3pm yesterday, Jimmy was told he had nothing to worry about.

Oh well. I was wrong, Jimmy got traded and the rest of the league players are trashing the Bulls today and it won't stop until the 2 guys and the coach are gone. I wasn't a Jimmy fan but the Bulls absolutely played Jimmy.

Respect for owning it. I didn't know your info came from Jimmy's camp. It explains a lot, but honestly, it surprises me that you'd treat what Jimmy hears as the whole story. GarPax aren't honest brokers.

[bennjuiced34]

FWIW I've heard from some plugged in peeps about how the deal went down. Thibs talked more after his presser about it.

Thibs offered Rubio, Dunn and #7 for Butler/Rondo. Thibs would've paid Rondo's $3.5 mil buyout.

GarPax wanted LaVine instead of Rubio. Thibs said ok, include #16.

So, it looks like we got LaVine for #16 and didn't give up Rondo.

Also, Thibs said he hated giving up LaVine. Loved the kid.

Only question I have is if that original deal would've worked numbers wise. Can't run it through the trade machine bc players have already switched teams.

But didn't Butler give us a massive trade exception? Like $13 mil or something?

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[step]

No team probably was willing to commit to 28 year old Butler, who will demand the supermax in two years.

The supermax was only going to affect the Bulls if the source of this is accurate:

To qualify, a player must achieve certain criteria. Among them:

1. He must be entering his eighth or ninth season in the NBA (in the case of extensions) or have just completed his eighth or ninth season in the NBA (in the case of free agent signings).

2. He must be a free agent (in the case of a free agent signing) or have one or two years left on your contract (in the case of extensions). And if it is an extension, three years have to have passed since you signed your original contract.

3. He must meet one of the performance criteria. Included on the list: Making one of the three All NBA teams in either the previous season or the prior two, winning Defensive Player of the Year in either the previous season or the prior two, or winning MVP in one of the previous three seasons.

4. He must never have changed teams as a free agent, and he could only have been traded during his first four years in the league.

Larry Coon's FAQ doesn't mention this, but a lot of sites have this point.

[bennjuiced34]

GARPAX you freakin idiots!!!! I hate this trade....
CELTICS would offer better one for sure...

It wasn't though. Supposedly 3, BKN 18 & the LAL/SAC pick was off the table. That's really all they have of any interest or value to the Bulls.

Boston offered their #1 next year. So a late first rounder. Talk about a slap in the face.

It's becoming quite apparent that Jimmy wasn't their blue chip piece we all thought he was.

Teams were falling all over themselves to offer Phil for Porzingis. No one came knocking at our door.

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[kyrv]

The best plan would be not to over stretch this rebuild. Best case scenario would be lauri and some of the others look good,then add another high pick next year and finally hopefully sign a big name free agent. Meaning this rebuilding should only last one year. We already have enough young guys with potential,again if they turn out worthy enough it will definitely speed up the process.

That is the worst plan possible.

We have zero players with 2 way potential at present. It's going to take time to acquire those guys.

No it's a good plan,how many years you want to rebuild? If it takes more than 2-3 years,then imo its failed... They already got young guys that they like. Now obviously things need to go the bulls way and these guys need to ball out. If they do,it's a good thing and this shouldn't take too long. Lauri,Dunn,lavine are all high picks,then we have niko,Portis,valentine who have potential to get alot better. If everything works out I don't see a problem here. Use next years draft to hopefully get a stud and then boom,sign a free agent and compete again.

Rebuilding takes more than 2-3 years in real life.

So in the sense that every rebuild ever has failed, sure, I guess I agree.