Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[BobbieL]

Hard to imagine McDo sitting back and not trying to land his first Big FA.... especially if it was true/serious that BG identified Phnx as a possible destination. Though I dont exactly see the need as we have kind of set our PF table with a couple of prospects, its a huge upgrade and adds a lot of legitimacy to this organization's quest to take the next step. The rebuild would officially be over.

Question is, if LMA does become available, and it certainly seems possible. do we make a play for the shorter commitment? It would surely require moving Dudley and Barbs... two vet cornerstones. If SA was just dumping him, why not? I'd hesitate to give any assets, as the favor is sal cap relief. LMA didn't cost them anything.

The draft was easy compared to the roster manipulation that lies ahead.

Blake Griffin identified Phoenix as an up and coming city and he mentioned Scottsdale. So I don't think it has anything to do with the Suns as much to do with the nightlife, the ladies, the clubs, good weather, etc.

And I am not advocating signing a veteran PF but Gambo keeps dropping the name Millsap; he said they would "kick the tires" on Blake Griffin. So it seems that Ryan McD wants a PF type . So, again that is why I go back to my trade, short term, doesn't extend your cap out - and with Chandler/Aldridge - helps bridge time for the young guys. But I am guessing that doesn't help the Spurs enough, clearing 10m of cap space

Personally the best player on the list for me is Hayward - but he is a SF so that kind of doesn't match up with Warren and Jackson and his dollars will be off the charts

I looked through this list. Calderon is a good option at PG. You want a veteran PF cheap that will totally slow the game- sign Z-Bo (I am kidding, he would be terrible in this offense). Its just that many players do not make sense when you have four young forwards like Warren, Jackson, Chriss and Bender. And for now, Dudley

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2017

[bigfoot]

I don't see us investing in Chandler, Len, and Williams. Really to sign all three we would have 1/3 or more of our cap space tied up by the "traditional" center position. The center position has changed too much and small ball is the way to go since there is a serious lack of two way centers in the league (e.g., Duncan-esque). It's too much money wasted when you have players like Bender and Chriss who can play the 3-5 spots. Watson even said Jackson could play 3-5. Honestly, I think McD should go balls-to-the-wall for Griffin and play serious small ball with Griffin/Chriss/Bender as our small ball PF/C combos. If the Griffin dream doesn't come to fruition then sign Williams and let Len walk.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Heres a challenge. Go through the teams and find one with both enough cap space and a need at c to offer len more than the mid level exemption.

I always thought Brooklyn was a possibility because it makes sense for them to spend on young guys but they just drafted a C and took on mosgovs deal so my guess is they will throw money at young wings like porter or kaldwell pope.

I guess boston could use someone with his skill set but theres no way they blow their money on him when they will be chasing higher profile dudes.

If the suns are simply sick of len and just want to go in another direction the guy I'd look at signing would be Dedmond from SA. Great defender and still relatively young.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm sure Portland will look at other ways to shed salary but if they struggle to find takers would you be willing to take one of their big contracts (Leonard, turner, or crabbe) for collins? I'm sure the suns would need to send some minor asset like the Miami pick back too.

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[BobbieL]

Heres a challenge. Go through the teams and find one with both enough cap space and a need at c to offer len more than the mid level exemption.

I always thought Brooklyn was a possibility because it makes sense for them to spend on young guys but they just drafted a C and took on mosgovs deal so my guess is they will throw money at young wings like porter or kaldwell pope.

I guess boston could use someone with his skill set but theres no way they blow their money on him when they will be chasing higher profile dudes.

If the suns are simply sick of len and just want to go in another direction the guy I'd look at signing would be Dedmond from SA. Great defender and still relatively young.

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I thought of the Hawks but they just traded for Plumlee and he has a lot of money left (who gave that guy that contract?!!?) - so not sure he is a fit

The Raptors - talk of wanting to trade JVal - is that because he is not of value or doesn't fit the system? Would they want a lower cost Len to replace him. Granted, who is taking JVal

Its a good question - hard to find too many takers for Len for a lot of money

[proedros1908]

I think JaMychal Green and Patty Mills is very interested type players from free agents


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[SkinnyOMiller]

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I have no idea why we would not at least talk to this guy. He is 27, the same age as Bledsoe. Most of our roster is 21 or under.

I would love watching our fast breaks. Can you imagine trying to defend Chriss, Griffin and Jackson coming at you.

It could be insane fun basketball to watch.

If it is just a free agent signing, just do it. If it is a sign and trade and it would cost us any or our youngsters, just say no.

Probably because he is always injured, and I expect that will only get worse as he gets older. He's going to wind up like Amare in a few years with his knees completely jacked up. Unlike Amare, I think Griffin will be far less effective without his athleticism to fall back on.

[sunwillrise0304]

Heres a challenge. Go through the teams and find one with both enough cap space and a need at c to offer len more than the mid level exemption.

I always thought Brooklyn was a possibility because it makes sense for them to spend on young guys but they just drafted a C and took on mosgovs deal so my guess is they will throw money at young wings like porter or kaldwell pope.

I guess boston could use someone with his skill set but theres no way they blow their money on him when they will be chasing higher profile dudes.

If the suns are simply sick of len and just want to go in another direction the guy I'd look at signing would be Dedmond from SA. Great defender and still relatively young.

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i thought of the same question and find out only pacers and hawks have needs and cap spending on traditional center
pacers just draft ike and hawks trade for m.plumlee

we have a high chance to resign len on a deal at just 10M/year, if so, will you all resign him and give him a final chance?

[SkinnyOMiller]

I don't see us investing in Chandler, Len, and Williams. Really to sign all three we would have 1/3 or more of our cap space tied up by the "traditional" center position. The center position has changed too much and small ball is the way to go since there is a serious lack of two way centers in the league (e.g., Duncan-esque). It's too much money wasted when you have players like Bender and Chriss who can play the 3-5 spots. Watson even said Jackson could play 3-5. Honestly, I think McD should go balls-to-the-wall for Griffin and play serious small ball with Griffin/Chriss/Bender as our small ball PF/C combos. If the Griffin dream doesn't come to fruition then sign Williams and let Len walk.

I think people are overestimating just how much Len will receive on the open market, even more so for Williams. After teams went crazy and blew a bunch of money on centers like Mozgov last year, I expect the market for the more traditional type centers to be pretty tepid. The salary cap didn't increase nearly as much as expected and lots of teams are already carrying pricey centers on their roster. I don't think he'll get Mozgov money or anything close to that.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Heres a challenge. Go through the teams and find one with both enough cap space and a need at c to offer len more than the mid level exemption.

I always thought Brooklyn was a possibility because it makes sense for them to spend on young guys but they just drafted a C and took on mosgovs deal so my guess is they will throw money at young wings like porter or kaldwell pope.

I guess boston could use someone with his skill set but theres no way they blow their money on him when they will be chasing higher profile dudes.

If the suns are simply sick of len and just want to go in another direction the guy I'd look at signing would be Dedmond from SA. Great defender and still relatively young.

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i thought of the same question and find out only pacers and hawks have needs and cap spending on traditional center
pacers just draft ike and hawks trade for m.plumlee

we have a high chance to resign len on a deal at just 10M/year, if so, will you all resign him and give him a final chance?

Pacers are a possibility but I would think they would embrace the modern nba and play turner at the 5 moving forward. I also think they would rather spend their money on a point guard.

The MLE will be around 6mil I think thats roughly the type of offers len will be getting. At that price I have no problem matching.

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[sunwillrise0304]

Heres a challenge. Go through the teams and find one with both enough cap space and a need at c to offer len more than the mid level exemption.

I always thought Brooklyn was a possibility because it makes sense for them to spend on young guys but they just drafted a C and took on mosgovs deal so my guess is they will throw money at young wings like porter or kaldwell pope.

I guess boston could use someone with his skill set but theres no way they blow their money on him when they will be chasing higher profile dudes.

If the suns are simply sick of len and just want to go in another direction the guy I'd look at signing would be Dedmond from SA. Great defender and still relatively young.

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i thought of the same question and find out only pacers and hawks have needs and cap spending on traditional center
pacers just draft ike and hawks trade for m.plumlee

we have a high chance to resign len on a deal at just 10M/year, if so, will you all resign him and give him a final chance?

Pacers are a possibility but I would think they would embrace the modern nba and play turner at the 5 moving forward. I also think they would rather spend their money on a point guard.

The MLE will be around 6mil I think thats roughly the type of offers len will be getting. At that price I have no problem matching.

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6M is a no brainer, really too low
i think 10M is at least and acceptable too , of which i think len can get from other teams.

[BobbieL]

Heres a challenge. Go through the teams and find one with both enough cap space and a need at c to offer len more than the mid level exemption.

I always thought Brooklyn was a possibility because it makes sense for them to spend on young guys but they just drafted a C and took on mosgovs deal so my guess is they will throw money at young wings like porter or kaldwell pope.

I guess boston could use someone with his skill set but theres no way they blow their money on him when they will be chasing higher profile dudes.

If the suns are simply sick of len and just want to go in another direction the guy I'd look at signing would be Dedmond from SA. Great defender and still relatively young.

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i thought of the same question and find out only pacers and hawks have needs and cap spending on traditional center
pacers just draft ike and hawks trade for m.plumlee

we have a high chance to resign len on a deal at just 10M/year, if so, will you all resign him and give him a final chance?

Pacers are a possibility but I would think they would embrace the modern nba and play turner at the 5 moving forward. I also think they would rather spend their money on a point guard.

The MLE will be around 6mil I think thats roughly the type of offers len will be getting. At that price I have no problem matching.

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But would you keep all three if say
Chandler - 13m
Len - 9m (more than the MLE but not 10m)
Williams - 6m

[sunwillrise0304]

i thought of the same question and find out only pacers and hawks have needs and cap spending on traditional center
pacers just draft ike and hawks trade for m.plumlee

we have a high chance to resign len on a deal at just 10M/year, if so, will you all resign him and give him a final chance?

Pacers are a possibility but I would think they would embrace the modern nba and play turner at the 5 moving forward. I also think they would rather spend their money on a point guard.

The MLE will be around 6mil I think thats roughly the type of offers len will be getting. At that price I have no problem matching.

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But would you keep all three if say
Chandler - 13m
Len - 9m (more than the MLE but not 10m)
Williams - 6m

i will keep all if at those prices
just thinking plumlee, his contract is very bad. But he can be traded and not as a negative assets with viewing the trade details.
so if len is just 9m , it is highly movable so we have to keep it first.

[WeekapaugGroove]

i thought of the same question and find out only pacers and hawks have needs and cap spending on traditional center
pacers just draft ike and hawks trade for m.plumlee

we have a high chance to resign len on a deal at just 10M/year, if so, will you all resign him and give him a final chance?

Pacers are a possibility but I would think they would embrace the modern nba and play turner at the 5 moving forward. I also think they would rather spend their money on a point guard.

The MLE will be around 6mil I think thats roughly the type of offers len will be getting. At that price I have no problem matching.

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But would you keep all three if say
Chandler - 13m
Len - 9m (more than the MLE but not 10m)
Williams - 6m

It would depend on what their ultimate plan with chandler is. If they plan on trying to move him at the deadline then maybe you keep all 3. But if the plan is just to ride out the last two years of his deal then no I wouldn't pay both williams and len unless you got them both on crazy short cheap deals. There simply isn't playing time for all 3 so no reason to give a guy a deal whos not even in the rotation. You can find a big on a minimum contract to sit at the end of the bench.

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[JJ13]

I'd still like to get Porzingis...Bledsoe+warren+miami picks

[Stix]

I'd still like to get Porzingis...Bledsoe+warren+miami picks

Seems like all that Porzingis talk was drummed up by the NBA to get more ratings/PR for the draft. If there was any truth to that I think we would've heard more about it after the draft, but who knows PJax might actually be crazy.

[blee732]

I'd still like to get Porzingis...Bledsoe+warren+miami picks

Seems like all that Porzingis talk was drummed up by the NBA to get more ratings/PR for the draft. If there was any truth to that I think we would've heard more about it after the draft, but who knows PJax might actually be crazy.

The reality of KP talks were all but confirmed by Phil himself. Whether or not he was actually serious is anybody's guess, but the talks were happening.

The reason you don't hear more about the draft is b/c trade talks slow down after that point every year. Once teams make their picks, there's no risk to waiting to see what you have before actually moving on a trade.

[Qwigglez]

Yes, it makes zero sense to sign any of these guys, and they won't want to sign here anyway. If we want to sign a vet PG to a reasonable small deal like Calderon or whatever for backup, fine, but not any of these star type players when we need our prizes for being bad to develop.

You constantly say this and I am trying to figure out why. We were close to signing LMA a couple years ago. We have been linked to being maybe the only team that could trade for him where he won't opt out of his player option.
We have been mentioned as a team that that could possibly look at Paul Millsap. There are virtually no teams that made the playoffs this past season that would be able to sign Millsap as a free agent. The three teams that were mentioned to make a sign and trade for Millsap were the Suns, Kings, and Nuggets.
Griffin on the Pardon the Take podcast mentioned Phoenix on his favorite cities. He mentioned our training staff, and then said he would like to be here from the beginning before we blow up. Sure maybe he was half-joking, but we got the cap space, and again, playoff teams don't. Boston has the cap space but it sounds like they are going after Hayward and maybe George. Also I think Clippers can't offer him a super max, so there isn't any incentives on staying with them. Jordan Schultz also said Griffin has become frustrated with CP3 and the Clippers organization.

I know we are a young team, but we still have vets like Bledsoe and Chandler who haven't asked to be traded and wanted to stay here.

Biggest reason I wouldn't want a guy like Aldridge of Millsap is because I want Chriss and Bender to have every chance to have the minutes to get better. The sooner that happens, the sooner this team becomes really good. You block, that, you set them back, with a vet leading players who are not ready, trying to make the playoffs, and we probably wouldn't, and even if we did we go nowhere, and Chriss and Bender don't get the proper on court development time, and then they never develop.

So when are guys are ready to contribute in lets say 3 years, and another powerhouse team emerges such as the Wolves who are overly dominate and we end up going nowhere, then what?

[carey]

I hope this G league actually aids in the development of these teenagers. It has to. Its a far cry from the minor league system of MLB, but its a start in the right direction. Would not be surprised to see us with a full 17 man roster. I dont know much about NAZ coach Ty Ellis, but it seems the job just got more important.

This is relevant to our interests. It's an article on the new two-way contracts that players occupying the 16th and 17th roster spots must sign: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/04/hoops-rumors-glossary-two-way-contracts.html

Who is eligible to sign a two-way contract?

Players with fewer than four years of NBA experience can sign a two-way contract with a team. However, teams cannot sign a player to a two-way contract for three seasons. The deals are limited to two years, and can’t include options.

Although two-way contracts can be for up to two years, a player who has three years of NBA experience can’t sign such a deal, since he’d have four years of service after the first season. As such, two-way contracts for players with three years of experience are limited to one year.

How do two-way contracts work for the teams signing them?

A team gets up to two roster slots for two-way contracts, and doesn’t need to use salary cap room or a cap exception to finalize those deals. They also don’t count against a team’s salary cap.

However, there are some limitations facing teams when they sign two-way contracts. For one, if a club wants to sign a player on an overseas roster to a two-way contract, the NBA team is not allowed to pay that player’s international buyout. Additionally, NBA teams can’t sign players to two-way contracts after January 15 of each season.

How much are players paid on two-way contracts?

Unlike the usual NBA and D-League contracts, two-way deals will vary in salary depending on whether a player is in the D-League or on an NBA assignment. When a player is in the NBA, he’ll receive the prorated portion of the minimum salary for a player with his years of experience. When a player is in the D-League, he’ll earn a prorated portion of a set D-League salary. For 2017/18, that figure is $75K. It will increase 3% annually, as follows:

Two-way contract salaries

Players on standard NBADL contracts currently earn no more than $26K annually, so two-way contracts will significantly increase the earning potential for some D-Leaguers, despite still falling well short of a full-season NBA minimum salary.

How much time can players on two-way contracts spend on NBA rosters?

If a player is on a two-way contract, he can spend no more than 45 regular-season days on an NBA roster. That doesn’t include time spent with an NBA team in training camp. It also doesn’t include time spent with an NBA team before the D-League season begins or after it ends. Still, it’s somewhat limiting.

Any day that a player on a two-way contract travels with the NBA team (including remaining with the team on the road), participates in workouts or practices, or is on the roster for a game counts toward those 45 days. If a team wants to keep its two-way player on the NBA roster for more than 45 games, it has to convert the player’s two-way deal into a standard NBA contract, after which he’d no longer count as a two-way player.

In a situation where a two-way contract is converted to a regular NBA deal, the typical 15-man roster rules would apply to that player. For instance, he could be assigned back to the D-League, but he’d continue to earn an NBA salary, since he’d no longer be a two-way player.

Additionally, a player on a two-way contract must have his deal converted to a standard NBA contract in order to participate in the postseason. A player on a two-way deal isn’t playoff-eligible.

Can players on two-way contracts be traded? What happens when their deals expire?

Players on two-way contracts can be included in trades. However, they can’t be dealt within 30 days of being signed, and their salaries don’t generate trade exceptions for NBA teams.

Additionally, players on two-way deals accrue Bird rights toward free agency. So, if a player spends two seasons with a team on a two-way contract, that team would have Early Bird rights to re-sign him when his contract expires.

Meanwhile, a two-way player whose contract expires will be eligible for restricted free agency if he spent at least 15 days on NBA assignment in the last season of his two-way contract. Otherwise, he’ll become an unrestricted free agent.

How will two-way contracts affect NBA roster construction?

This remains to be seen, but we can probably make a few predictions about how teams will use two-way contracts. In some cases, clubs may attempt to convince second-round draft picks to sign two-way contracts, though player agents figure to push for NBA deals.

Undrafted free agents figure to be prime candidates for two-way deals. Each fall, many teams will invite a handful of undrafted rookies to training camp even though they don’t have a path to earning an NBA roster spot. Many of those players end up being waived and subsequently joining their team’s D-League affiliate. With two-way contracts, teams will have the opportunity to retain the NBA rights to a couple of those players rather than having to risk losing them in free agency.

For instance, last fall, Okaro White was one of several players waived by the Heat after he didn’t make the team’s regular-season roster. He headed to the Sioux Falls Skyforce, Miami’s D-League squad, but could have been signed by any NBA team, since the Heat no longer held his NBA rights. Eventually, White earned another shot with the Heat, signing a pair of 10-day contracts in January before he was locked up for the rest of the season in February. Under the new CBA, Miami would have the opportunity to secure a player like White at the start of the season with a two-way contract, even if he wasn’t one of the 15 players to make the team’s NBA roster.

Two-way contracts should also be useful for teams that find themselves ravaged by injuries during the season. If a club has two or three rotation players on the shelf, that club could bring its two-way players to the NBA to provide some depth as its regulars get healthy.

[bwoolf2]

Biggest reason I wouldn't want a guy like Aldridge of Millsap is because I want Chriss and Bender to have every chance to have the minutes to get better. The sooner that happens, the sooner this team becomes really good. You block, that, you set them back, with a vet leading players who are not ready, trying to make the playoffs, and we probably wouldn't, and even if we did we go nowhere, and Chriss and Bender don't get the proper on court development time, and then they never develop.

So when are guys are ready to contribute in lets say 3 years, and another powerhouse team emerges such as the Wolves who are overly dominate and we end up going nowhere, then what?

No your right we should do what we did years ago and sign guys that let us compete for that 8th seed and stunt the development of our young guys by not getting them significant playing time because we really wanted to get swept in the playoffs
In 3 years we will at least have developed our players know what we have and be competitive.

I dont think you will find too many teams that I think any would argue have much more young talent or assets to compete in the coming years than us.