Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[LukasBMW]

Fun fact:

Dudley and Tyson would both be expiring deals this time next year. We could easily package them and a pick for a pissed off superstar to add to our young core after we tank/develop one more season.

As long as we don't do anything stupid this free agency (like overpay for Len or Sauce) that means that Knight is by far our worst contract.

2 draft picks in the 2018 draft
2 big expiring deals to potentially move
And tons of cap space if we hold off on extending TJ.

It's crucial that we don't overpay this summer. It would really hurt us going forward.

[AtheJ415]

Stop with the tank talk for next years draft. It is time that we start putting a winning product on the floor.

You should probably temper those expectations. Unless we make significant strides defensively, we're still gonna be real bad.

Thunder won 53 games with Durant (2yrs), Westbrook (1yr), Harden (R), and Ibaka (R).
Booker (2yrs), Chriss (1yr), Bender (1yr), Ulis (1yr) Jackson (R) + Warren (3yr) and Bledsoe/Dudley/Chandler

If we don't start winning soon then these guys are not the players needed for our rebuild. After four years Len has shown he is not part of the rebuild. We should see something happen this year or our guys just aren't good enough. So we better being pushing for a playoff spot, otherwise we should temper our expectations of tanking to try to build through the draft.

The west was not nearly as tough back then. Also, they had plenty of vets. The overall team was not nearly as young as ours top to bottom.

The idea that if win this season as opposed to next season that it means we have the right guys is absurdity.

[AtheJ415]

I think we would have won 30 games if we didnt sit bledsoe and Tyson down the stretch. With improvement from our youth and the addition of JJ I could see close to 40 wins and a lotto pick in the 10-14 range.
Back to the middle, baby! This time we have room for growth.

I would actually trade Bledsoe to ensure we lose.

Add any of the top 4, but hopefully the top 3, prospects to this team and it will take off.

Doncic
Booker
Jackson
Warren
Chriss

with Bender backing up the 3-5 spots is a really good positionless type of team.

For a more traditional lineup size wise but with some untraditional skill you could add Ayton or Porter. That team rivals 76ers core.

[RunDogGun]

No it isn't. Stop with the rampant talk of ultra treadmilling moves to win now while mortgaging the future in the process with some misguided belief that this team by replicating the clippers will somehow become contenders. It is laughable.

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So sad a "fan" wants to see our team lose next year.

No he wants to see our young talent have a chance to play and develop not a bunch of guys in their 30s that get us no closer to a championship than the Clippers or Hawks got this year. Im guessing based on your logic you would like to switch positions with those teams... pass....

I think everyone in the league as well as almost all the fans who hear the word "tanking", think of it as a negative or dishonest way to conduct a season. So I don't see the point of any fan suggesting a dishonest game plan four months before a season starts.

Oh well, I hope we all want to see our guys play to the best of their ability, and not care about losing as many games as possible to net the chance at possibly or maybe a great player, but then again we might have the same chance to draft the next Oden.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I think most of us do want to see the young guys play well and then lets see where it takes them. If they win like 35 games thats cool because you can build on that. As long as the young dudes are playing and getting better i really don't care how many wins they have this year. Now realistically the results will be like the wolves were this past year where youre in a bunch of games but have a hard time closing them out. But thats part of the learning process for young guys too.

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[Frank Lee]

I think McDo will be cautious with free agency, may be targeting Griffin. If no Blake then no big deal. Trades/adjustments can be made later after we see what we have. Who knows.... Our most successful lineup might be Booker/Jackson/Warren/Chris/Bender. There is enough to look forward too with our current roster. McDo can focus on players, but this will also be a year to take a hard look at the Fortune Cookie Coach we have. The young talent both proven and projected is there.

[Damkac]

I will be happy with 14th pick next year IF our young core get us there. It would means there is lot of room to grow. I would hate making the playoffs as the 8th seed with Griffin/LA/Millsap/Love and with Chriss and Bender glued to bench.

[BobbieL]

Fun fact:

Dudley and Tyson would both be expiring deals this time next year. We could easily package them and a pick for a pissed off superstar to add to our young core after we tank/develop one more season.

As long as we don't do anything stupid this free agency (like overpay for Len or Sauce) that means that Knight is by far our worst contract.

2 draft picks in the 2018 draft
2 big expiring deals to potentially move
And tons of cap space if we hold off on extending TJ.

It's crucial that we don't overpay this summer. It would really hurt us going forward.

I agree about the fact that Dudley and Chandler will be expiring in a year. Two draft picks in 2018 - but more than likely, only one will be needed. this team does not need more youth. So, if you sign somebody, keep them on the one to two year contract plan. Keeping your long term cap in order. I have no problem with trying to push for 35 wins and be picking 9 to 12 instead of top 4. I really do. But I think long term cap space - and that is after 2019 - is still something to think about.

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[Mulhollanddrive]

As the kids say YASSS.

I've noticed how he seems to mention the post Booker young core by name - Booker, Bender, Chriss, Ulis, Jackson.

He also mentions OKC / GSW alot in tandem.

I think he loves that he got a 2nd chance to do an ultra draft rebuild and he can see the finish line in 12 months to get his Draymond or Harden as the final piece to follow the same blueprint.

Then similar to their teams a breakout season of 45-50 wins a year or two later with a decade of that to come.

[Qwigglez]

This would be my minute distribution if we got someone like LMA.

PG: Bledsoe (28) Ulis (20)
SG: Booker (32) Jackson (16)
SF: Warren (28) Jackson (10) Bender (10)
PF: Aldridge (30) Chriss (18)
C: Chandler (24) Bender (14) Chriss (10)

I don't see the limited minutes at all with everyone getting ample time to play. The following year, Chandler would play less, and then the year after he wouldn't be here. Same with Aldridge. Meanwhile our guys are still developing and learning from quality veterans. Eventually, I assume Jackson will overtake Warren as the starting SF and I'm hoping Warren will be okay playing off the bench.

[bwgood77]

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[BobbieL]

This would be my minute distribution if we got someone like LMA.

PG: Bledsoe (28) Ulis (20)
SG: Booker (32) Jackson (16)
SF: Warren (28) Jackson (10) Bender (10)
PF: Aldridge (30) Chriss (18)
C: Chandler (24) Bender (14) Chriss (10)

I don't see the limited minutes at all with everyone getting ample time to play. The following year, Chandler would play less, and then the year after he wouldn't be here. Same with Aldridge. Meanwhile our guys are still developing and learning from quality veterans. Eventually, I assume Jackson will overtake Warren as the starting SF and I'm hoping Warren will be okay playing off the bench.

Where is Brandon Knight in your minutes? I just don't see him stretched. He is 26 years old - I think he has to get minutes to rehab his career

The Aldridge talk of course was me talking out my pie hole - I don't see it happening in reality - but if the Spurs are needing cap space - so who knows. Dudley wouldn't be the worst fall back for the Spurs. I give it .0001% chance of happening

Bordow kind of put the brakes on any big signing - which I am okay with. Back up PG is good. But I would be okay with Aldridge for Duds of course

what to do with Len, Chandler and Williams? And Brandon Knnight - Ryan should be on the phone daily

[bwgood77]

You should probably temper those expectations. Unless we make significant strides defensively, we're still gonna be real bad.

Thunder won 53 games with Durant (2yrs), Westbrook (1yr), Harden (R), and Ibaka (R).
Booker (2yrs), Chriss (1yr), Bender (1yr), Ulis (1yr) Jackson (R) + Warren (3yr) and Bledsoe/Dudley/Chandler

If we don't start winning soon then these guys are not the players needed for our rebuild. After four years Len has shown he is not part of the rebuild. We should see something happen this year or our guys just aren't good enough. So we better being pushing for a playoff spot, otherwise we should temper our expectations of tanking to try to build through the draft.

The west was not nearly as tough back then. Also, they had plenty of vets. The overall team was not nearly as young as ours top to bottom.

The idea that if win this season as opposed to next season that it means we have the right guys is absurdity.

The west wasn't as tough at the very top but overall was definitely as tough in 2010, because they were the 8 seed with actually only 50 wins and took the championship winning Lakers to 6 in the first round. This year only 5 teams in the west had 50 or more wins.

[bwgood77]

I think we would have won 30 games if we didnt sit bledsoe and Tyson down the stretch. With improvement from our youth and the addition of JJ I could see close to 40 wins and a lotto pick in the 10-14 range.
Back to the middle, baby! This time we have room for growth.

I would actually trade Bledsoe to ensure we lose.

Add any of the top 4, but hopefully the top 3, prospects to this team and it will take off.

Doncic
Booker
Jackson
Warren
Chriss

with Bender backing up the 3-5 spots is a really good positionless type of team.

For a more traditional lineup size wise but with some untraditional skill you could add Ayton or Porter. That team rivals 76ers core.

I think Denver really wants Bledsoe. I don't think we will trade him yet, maybe this summer but not sure...maybe at trade deadline if we are not playing real well. Who would you trade him for on the Nuggets to match salary? They might want us to take Mudiay back, which I don't think would be a bad thing. I wouldn't mind taking Nelson too as a vet PG backup..but I don't know if they have another PG on their roster. Not sure who else...they have plenty of players...but I don't think they'd want to trade Harris or Murray. Probably just picks and other stuff to match.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Thank God.

Right. It's weird seeing the suns make sane, patient, and rational decisions two summers in a row.

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[NBA Fiend]

Reports on general board of 4 or 5 team traded that was nixed last minute. From what everyone gathers due to the Denver/ Bledsoe rumors the Suns would have given Bledsoe/Warren/Miami pick next year. It's believed either the Suns pulled out because of Loves medical records or Indy because they realized they could do a extend and trade and get a better George deal.

[bwgood77]

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Right. It's weird seeing the suns make sane, patient, and rational decisions two summers in a row.

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It's not nearly over yet, but yes.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Heard Watson say Alex Len was ranked 16th in rim protection last season (Also saw a graphic that showed he was a top 10 Center for Opp FG% during the season).

I'd be really happy if we could get him for $11m, the way the league is going with pure bigs being shopped combined with the big money fails of the past 12 months, the environment may allow us to take a value bet on him.

Going through the team rosters I can't really see any obvious teams that would pay him $15m+ to start.

I do think our management would favour Williams though due to bench chemistry and his better shooting % away from the rim.

[nevetsov]

If we can get Len for Chandler money, you do it and flip Chandler/ stretch him next year when the money gets tight.