Free agency

[The Rebel]

Which free agents would you like to be signed this summer and why? Who would you like to see gone this summer as well? No need to come up with trades just who you would like signed and who you want gone.

I personally want to see Ingles signed, I think he fits perfectly into what we need at starting SF, and is a very team guy. He can be a great addition and when Hernangomez replaces him than I think he would be fine coming off the bench. He has played the 1, 2, and 3 for the Jazz.

I think Millsap would be a good leader and mentor on the court, and also seems the type that would be okay coming off the bench in a couple years.
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Patty Mills is a good player off the bench and is a team guy, he is also at his best with limited touches so he will work perfect in our offense. He will have value when Murray and the new draft pick work out.

I think it is time to get rid of Barton, he wants a big raise next year and probably a starting job, he is not going to stay and if you bring in a guy like Ingles than you are beting that either Hernangomez or Beasley has progress enough to take full rotation minutes. With Barton he is just going to continue blocking that, and I just do not see him as a long term fit with the offense that works so well with Jokic.

Chandler I think is unhappy here, and with his attitude I do not know if I want him around all the young guys anymore, it is time we move on from that core.

Nelson needs to go, I don't care if they use the stretch provision on him, but he needs to go.

Mudiay has to go as well. Unless the team totally trusts him to be able to carry the starting load if we are wrong about Murray, they have to have a quality guy. Otherwise I just do not see him being able to get the development minutes he still needs.

Of course I think they should let Gallo walk as well.

[Riko]

I don't think Denver should let walk Gallinari without making an offer: 5 years contract is out of the question but even 75 million in 3 years (or 100 million 4 years with a TO after the third year) is something good for Denver. Despite his injury he is still one of the best free agent in the market and he is still not 29 years old (32 at the end of a 3 years contract).

Let Plumlee walks. Chandler, Barton, Mudiay plus one between Arthur and Faried have to go, they have still some value and can be traded for future picks. Nelson can stay but Malone can't let him play so much...
I don't want the managment overpaid Millsap, he is good but he is 32 and is not worthed a 100+ million contract, he wuold became easily a burden in two years.
In the free agents market I want veterans with short contract and good defender, the perfect FA wuold be Livingston, PJ Tucker and Nene.

PG: Murray, Livingston, Nelson
SG: Harris, Beasley
SF: Gallinari, PJ Tucker, Hernangomez
PF: Lyles, Lydon, Faried/Arthur
C: Jokic, Nené

[psimanic1]

Dont want Ingles actually, I would rather resign Gallo at 4/88 and i think he would accept that with TO after third. Also, I think Faried should be traded, just as Nelson, Barton and Chandler. And we can keep Arrhur to mentor young guys. Sign backup C that can play some PF if needed, Nene would be nice why not.
Mudiay can stay but wouldnt mind if he is traded.
PG : Murray, Beverley like, Morris
SG: Harris, Beasley, M.Miller
SF: Gallo, Hernangomez
PF: Arthur(to start the season but not a lot of mpg), Lydon, Lyles
C: Jokic, Nene

[NuggetsWY]

Nice OP and Riko's response isn't too far off for me either.

Let's start with Gallinari. I'm a fan of Gallinari's offense and when he engages, he can actually play pretty good defense. Perhaps the injuries have slowed that down but I remember years when at the end of the game, he would demand to cover the other team's primary scorer, even if it was a PG and he did fairly well. He may not be the quickest player, but he was quick enough and with his length. I always thought he was pretty good - when he wanted to be. Unfortunately, like many offensive stars, he seems to make less effort on the defensive end, especially when the team has too few other good options on offense. He deserves a shot at another team. Although, I will say he adjusted his game to matchup with Jokic's game more than any of our other veterans and if we resign him for a reasonable 3 year/$20m or so contract, I will be disappointed at not getting a younger, healthier SF, but I will just give a sigh and accept him back.

I won't even address my desire to trade Barton, Nelson, Faried, Chandler, Arthur in that order. Oops, I just addressed it. That is not the exact order of how I like them, it's the exact order of how I believe they should be traded in order to help the team grow faster - based on need and fit.

Truthfully, I'm not very interested in signing FAs unless maybe there is a young center that could play 10 mpg and a 35 yr veteran center that could play 10 mpg. That would give Jokic the minutes and we'd still have a backup in case of injury. I would be willing to resign Plumlee instead of the veteran, but only at a decent price - maybe as high as 3 yrs/$45m with the last year as a team option.

Please, no FA PF - we have too many already. Trade some, about 3 of them, and then consider signing a FA.

Otto Porter would be my first choice as a FA. I'd offer him a max contract at midnight on the first day. I think he'd be perfect playing with Jokic. He's not a ball pounder. He moves and hustles and scores. He's not a world beater as a rebounder but he's not bad for a SF. He's not a world beater on defense, but he's not too bad there either. He can switch off and cover mis-matches fairly well.

Ingles would be my other SF choice. He doesn't have the potential of Porter IMO and he's an older player than what I'd be looking for. With that said, he's got a remarkable attitude - not just good, which it is; but he brings what old-timers call "a lunch box attitude" - meaning he comes to play hard every minute, every play and he won't back down from anyone. I'd love to have his attitude on the Nuggets. That's what I'd like our young players to see.

Please, no SG or PG - please, please, please!

[Mickey8]

Don't go after Blake Griffin, that's a red flag .

[Acountant_Z]

Don't go after Blake Griffin, that's a red flag .

In theory, Griffin would be a good fit next to Jokic.
He does not want to be in Denver.
Clippers will resign him.
Denver is absolutely not going to sign another PF in FA, they got to clear players out and that will not be easy.

If you don't want Griffin on Nuggets you can relax, it ain't going to happen.

[Riko]

I forgot various things so it is better than I rewrite:

I want to be realistic, I'd like Otto Porter or CP3 (or Durant, Curry, Hayward, ecc..) in Denver but is pretty much impossible so in my analysis I will focus on a possible scenario. Don't get me wrong denver should offer to Porter a max contract but knowing that Washington will match (if they don't match, let Gallo walks).

I don't think Denver should let walk Gallinari without making an offer: 5 years contract is out of the question but even 75 million in 3 years (or 100 million 4 years with a TO after the third year) is something good for Denver. Despite his injury he is still one of the best free agent in the market and he is still not 29 years old (32 at the end of a 3 years contract). If he demands more than that, let him walks and keep Chandler.

Let Plumlee walks. Chandler (if Gallo resigns), Barton, Mudiay plus one between Arthur and Faried have to go, they have still some value and can be traded for future picks. Nelson can stay but Malone can't let him play so much...
I don't want the managment overpaid Millsap, he is good but he is 32 and is not worthed a 100+ million contract, he wuold became easily a burden in two years.
In the free agents market I want veterans with short contract and good defender, the perfect FA wuold be Livingston, PJ Tucker and Nene. To Livingston and PJ Tucker I will offer a big 3 years contract (frontload if possible), to Nenè I will offer a 1+1 year.

PG: Murray, Livingston, Nelson
SG: Harris, Beasley
SF: Gallinari, PJ Tucker, Hernangomez
PF: Lyles, Lydon, Faried/Arthur
C: Jokic, Nené

It is probably a worst lineup than this year but force Malone to let play the youngster, Malone can play small or big lineup, have a lot of cap space and flessibility.

[MidMountain]

I con't know that Porter is worth a max contract since he won't be the best (or second best) player on a contender. Any offer less than the max gets matched by Washington.

[The Rebel]

I con't know that Porter is worth a max contract since he won't be the best (or second best) player on a contender. Any offer less than the max gets matched by Washington.

Any offer to Porter is either getting matched or they are doing a sign and trade, with their cap situation they cannot afford to lose them as they have no way to replace his production, let alone fix their bench.

Now I would offer them something like Barton and arthur (who they offered more money than we did last summer) in a sign and trade for Porter and a future pick.

[NuggetsWY]

Don't go after Blake Griffin, that's a red flag .

In theory, Griffin would be a good fit next to Jokic.
He does not want to be in Denver.
Clippers will resign him.
Denver is absolutely not going to sign another PF in FA, they got to clear players out and that will not be easy.

If you don't want Griffin on Nuggets you can relax, it ain't going to happen.

I'd say that in theory, Griffin is a terrible fit next to Jokic. Both of them are best when the ball is in their hands. I think that's one reason the Clippers don't struggle much when Griffin is injured, which has happened more than once. It's not that he's bad, it's just the fit. I don't like a lot of things about his personality, but I'll give him credit for not making a fuss (at least not much) about playing still, touches, etc. In that respect, he's a true team player. I'm not convinced he stays with the Clippers but it's going to take a serious contender to lure him away. I think he's fairly satisfied with the Clippers and their prospects. The right wing players added to their big three and bang, they are right in the serious hunt! So I guess I agree that he'll be in LA and I'm glad for Denver.

[NuggetsWY]

I con't know that Porter is worth a max contract since he won't be the best (or second best) player on a contender. Any offer less than the max gets matched by Washington.

Well, I understand what you are saying, but max contracts are starting to go three deep on some teams. So the question is, can he be the third best player in 3-5 years when Jokic-Harris-Murray are ready to be serious contenders? As much as I like Harris and would want to keep him in that list, I think it would become Jokic-Murray-Porter-Harris. But it's a bit of a crap shoot until you actually get there, as Golden State has proven via one path and Cleveland has proven via another path.

[Acountant_Z]

Don't go after Blake Griffin, that's a red flag .

In theory, Griffin would be a good fit next to Jokic.
He does not want to be in Denver.
Clippers will resign him.
Denver is absolutely not going to sign another PF in FA, they got to clear players out and that will not be easy.

If you don't want Griffin on Nuggets you can relax, it ain't going to happen.

I'd say that in theory, Griffin is a terrible fit next to Jokic. Both of them are best when the ball is in their hands. I think that's one reason the Clippers don't struggle much when Griffin is injured, which has happened more than once. It's not that he's bad, it's just the fit. I don't like a lot of things about his personality, but I'll give him credit for not making a fuss (at least not much) about playing still, touches, etc. In that respect, he's a true team player. I'm not convinced he stays with the Clippers but it's going to take a serious contender to lure him away. I think he's fairly satisfied with the Clippers and their prospects. The right wing players added to their big three and bang, they are right in the serious hunt! So I guess I agree that he'll be in LA and I'm glad for Denver.

Out of our PF that played with Jokic who fit best in your opinion? I'd say Faried. Griffin has some of the same qualities plus much more. I have no doubt Jokic and Griffin would do well together. I am not a fan of BG by any means or his personality. Jokic is easy, he would be happy to defer. That kid is a phenomenon, I hate to see him lose to much worse teams. But I don't see BG on Nuggets.

[NuggetsWY]

In theory, Griffin would be a good fit next to Jokic.
He does not want to be in Denver.
Clippers will resign him.
Denver is absolutely not going to sign another PF in FA, they got to clear players out and that will not be easy.

If you don't want Griffin on Nuggets you can relax, it ain't going to happen.

I'd say that in theory, Griffin is a terrible fit next to Jokic. Both of them are best when the ball is in their hands. I think that's one reason the Clippers don't struggle much when Griffin is injured, which has happened more than once. It's not that he's bad, it's just the fit. I don't like a lot of things about his personality, but I'll give him credit for not making a fuss (at least not much) about playing still, touches, etc. In that respect, he's a true team player. I'm not convinced he stays with the Clippers but it's going to take a serious contender to lure him away. I think he's fairly satisfied with the Clippers and their prospects. The right wing players added to their big three and bang, they are right in the serious hunt! So I guess I agree that he'll be in LA and I'm glad for Denver.

Out of our PF that played with Jokic who fit best in your opinion? I'd say Faried. Griffin has some of the same qualities plus much more. I have no doubt Jokic and Griffin would do well together. I am not a fan of BG by any means or his personality. Jokic is easy, he would be happy to defer. That kid is a phenomenon, I hate to see him lose to much worse teams. But I don't see BG on Nuggets.

I'd agree that Faried was easily the best PF next to Jokic but he is very different from Griffin. Most of Faried's shots come on the move towards the hoop or from loose balls/rebounds. Griffin gets some of those too, but he likes to shoot from 15-20 feet and even beyond that sometimes. He's pretty good at it. He's also better than Faried at putting the ball on the floor for a drive. That's why I disagree regarding his fit with Jokic. Jokic needs the ball in his hands, in order to find the open man. Griffin is an OK passer; Jokic is one of the best passers in the game.

[skywalker33]

Surprised nobody has mentioned CP3 yet. If anyone could have a major impact, he'd be one of my top candidates. While I believe Murray is our PG of the future, he could clearly benfit for learning from a guy like Pau. There is questions about how signing him would take the ball out of Jokic's hands, but I see Paul as not just a PG but a decent shooter as well. He's a team player and could teach this team a lot about winning.

Agree that Chandler, Barton and Nelson MUST go, not as much so for Mudiay. He's still young, very athletic and has shown talent over his time here, young PG's need time to develop. And Mudiay never got any training over in China, he was already behind the curve IMO, another trip to SL wouldn't hurt either.

No chance I want Griffin here, he has talent but is not the rim-protector we need along side of Jokic and he needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Not a great outside shooter although he does play above the rim and would sell tickets.

I agree with Rebel about Ingles, seems like the PERFECT free agent here. Milsap...don't we have enough PF's already ???

[Acountant_Z]

Surprised nobody has mentioned CP3 yet. If anyone could have a major impact, he'd be one of my top candidates. While I believe Murray is our PG of the future, he could clearly benfit for learning from a guy like Pau. There is questions about how signing him would take the ball out of Jokic's hands, but I see Paul as not just a PG but a decent shooter as well. He's a team player and could teach this team a lot about winning.

Agree that Chandler, Barton and Nelson MUST go, not as much so for Mudiay. He's still young, very athletic and has shown talent over his time here, young PG's need time to develop. And Mudiay never got any training over in China, he was already behind the curve IMO, another trip to SL wouldn't hurt either.

No chance I want Griffin here, he has talent but is not the rim-protector we need along side of Jokic and he needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Not a great outside shooter although he does play above the rim and would sell tickets.

I agree with Rebel about Ingles, seems like the PERFECT free agent here. Milsap...don't we have enough PF's already ???

CP3 happens to be one of my all-time favorite players. He is super intelligent, he is everything a PG should be and more. I would pee myself if we could go from Nelson to CP3 but I don't think it is realistic. No concerns whatsoever about fit with Jokic. He is the only player in the league who could make Jokic better.

[skywalker33]

One thing I will say, if the Nuggets don't make a splash in free agency, they'll be on a path to last in the division and a top 8 pick in the 2018 draft (unless they trade the pick)

[NuggetsWY]

One thing I will say, if the Nuggets don't make a splash in free agency, they'll be on a path to last in the division and a top 8 pick in the 2018 draft (unless they trade the pick)

I thought I was supposed to be the pessimist around here.
What you say is probably felt by a lot of people, but I truly believe that Jokic & Harris & Murray can carry this team to 8th place and if anyone else steps up to any significant degree, maybe Hernangomez or Mudiay, we could make 7th or even 6th place.
Of course it won't surprise you to hear me project Malone to start Faried & Gallinari & Nelson with Barton as his darling off the bench. Even then, I believe this team will finish no worse than 10th in the west.

[Riko]

One thing I will say, if the Nuggets don't make a splash in free agency, they'll be on a path to last in the division and a top 8 pick in the 2018 draft (unless they trade the pick)

Unless Jokic goes down with an injury denver won't win less than 34 games.
And to be fair, i am not fully sold on Minnesota, they seriously lack of spacing on the offensive end.

[MHZ]

We need to stop with Chris Paul. The amount of money he'd be walking away from to leave LA is staggering. It's not happening.

They just hired Jerry West and are going all in to court LeBron in 2018. He's staying. It's easy for people in the internet or media types to assume he'll want to chase a ring, but it's $40+ million he'd be leaving on the table to do so. People don't do that. Plus, he's not getting the non-basketball opportunities anywhere else he currently gets in LA.

[The Rebel]

Surprised nobody has mentioned CP3 yet. If anyone could have a major impact, he'd be one of my top candidates. While I believe Murray is our PG of the future, he could clearly benfit for learning from a guy like Pau. There is questions about how signing him would take the ball out of Jokic's hands, but I see Paul as not just a PG but a decent shooter as well. He's a team player and could teach this team a lot about winning.

Agree that Chandler, Barton and Nelson MUST go, not as much so for Mudiay. He's still young, very athletic and has shown talent over his time here, young PG's need time to develop. And Mudiay never got any training over in China, he was already behind the curve IMO, another trip to SL wouldn't hurt either.

No chance I want Griffin here, he has talent but is not the rim-protector we need along side of Jokic and he needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Not a great outside shooter although he does play above the rim and would sell tickets.

I agree with Rebel about Ingles, seems like the PERFECT free agent here. Milsap...don't we have enough PF's already ???

We would have to move on from Chandler and Faried, but we need a veteran leader that can play with such a young team. Running out a lineup of 8 or 10 guys in their 1st 4 years is a recipe for disaster, we need at least 1 guy who can be on the court and help the young guys through their rough patches. Without them you are in danger of ruining some guys confidence. I prefer we get 2, Millsap and Ingles both are team 1st leader types and if you guys want to go with the young guys you have to have them.