Kristaps Porzingis E:60 Episode Discussion Thread (Sunday @ 9AM EST)

[newyorker4ever]

Perhaps KP believes he'll be able to just come on back to training a camp and media day and everything will be normal. After all a player doesn't really have to communicate with their coach....

This is another thing that's really gonna suck as well cause all this crap is gonna be brought right back when KP comes back, which i'm guessing is gonna be right around when TC starts up so all the focus by our garbage new york media will be on this again.

[god shammgod]

in 2017, a 7 footer who can shoot > a 7 footer with post skills. everybody aware what year it is knows this.

Since when did they become mutually exclusive?

it's isn't. and he'll get better in the post. but he's a shooter. the idea that he should be discouraged from taking 3s or that it's a bad thing is madness.

[HarthorneWingo]

in 2017, a 7 footer who can shoot > a 7 footer with post skills. everybody aware what year it is knows this.

Since when did they become mutually exclusive?

it's isn't. and he'll get better in the post. but he's a shooter. the idea that he should be discouraged from taking 3s or that it's a bad thing is madness.

Wel then, I agree, so long as he doesn't go crazy with the 3s. I'd like to see more balance in his game but maybe that's just a function of him getting stronger.

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[MP4LIFE]

Anyone think this Janis fellow is a bad influence on Porzingis?

Dude seems to be giving him bad advice in this situation.

Looks like we have our own Lavar Ball.

[Huey Freeman]

Modeled game after Melo. Clear as day he love Melo.

Yes.
And why Phil publicly said he doesn't want a 7'3" big camping outside taking jumpers, we say that here too.

he's not shaq or hakeem and he's never gonna be. he might get better inside but it will never be his bread and butter. he's a shooter. that's what he does. that's why they talked about him being the next dirk. if phil doesn't like that, he should have never taken him.

I don't believe anyone is suggesting to take away his bread-and-butter, which is to be a shooter. The idea was the fact that he was so young coming into the league (not even legal age) but he can grow and expand his game. That is what we are talking about here, EXPANDING his game. He should have some post moves in his arsenal, bottom line...period...no excuses/passes. Being 5-10 feet from the basket will serve him well to have an stoppable "go-to" move, jump hook/ hook shot, or something to actually use his height advantage. Phil knew who he was but what's wrong in wanting to get the most out of the player? If Phil brought him over at the age of 27-28 THEN I can see "you get what you get" but in this case...trying to develop him to be more versatile than Dirk is a sound basketball move. If he's not going to be somewhat a threat 5 feet from the basket then anyone with a little weight can guard him. Just keep putting rugged 6'7 guy on him to push and neutralize his game and decrease his fG%.

[newyorker4ever]

I meant, did nothing to cause drama.. Phil and Jeff were the ones who put it out to the media.

DIdn't they both say they talked through texts?

In New York EVERYTHING is drama in the making. PK should have been advised by his brothers that doing ANYTHING that will cause a media frenzy will dramatized for months and should be avoided. His brothers did not protect him from himself and or outside relationship with Melo.

Look, just take a NY minute and look, even the most ardent KP fans are displeased at him. His image has taken a huge hit that will follow him into the season. Listen, there are many many fans that do not accept insubordination, period.

Look at Derek Jeter and the NY Yankees, as an example. No team perhaps other than the Cowboys draws so much attention and drama. But the dude just played the game at the highest level, irregardless of the drama around him and comings and goings of teammates.

Well, I really don't think his image took a hit..

Everything i've heard, and read. Outside of Knicks fans , everyone is on KP`s side.

Well then you haven't been doing enough hearing cause plenty of people are saying KP was wrong in what he did. C.Oakley just said it two days ago that he was wrong and should have went to that meeting and plenty of other people are saying the same thing.

[newyorker4ever]

Hopefully alot of this schit ends soon. I don't want Franks Rookie year be full of more BS than it has to be. I want him and KP to be the reverse Stockton and Malone in the future

Yeah me to but the new york media will not let that happen especially AssHola and certain other crap new york media people.

[Amsterdam]

in 2017, a 7 footer who can shoot > a 7 footer with post skills. everybody aware what year it is knows this.

Since when did they become mutually exclusive?

It isn't exclusive. But in response to your post saying KP is what he is and Phil shouldn't expect more, to this I say rubbish.

Phil is on record as saying KP's game is short, unless he also develops an unstoppable post game. Which up to this point, unless he's cutting or rebounding is not doing more of or has.

While KD and Lebron don't use back to the basket post moves, its not to say that back to the basket moves are irrelevant. Once MJ, Dirk and Kobe ascended their step back and turnaround fade post games, theirs became elite level. This is what we would like to see from KP as well in and out....no?

[Dr. Detfink]

Really worried about KP's brother giving him bad advice. So far, he walk out makes KP look really bad and the fact, he hasn't returned any of the Knicks' calls makes him look even worse.

It's going to be one helluva season.

[HarthorneWingo]

in 2017, a 7 footer who can shoot > a 7 footer with post skills. everybody aware what year it is knows this.

Since when did they become mutually exclusive?

It isn't exclusive. But in response to your post saying KP is what he is and Phil shouldn't expect more, to this I say rubbish.

Phil is on record as saying KP's game is short, unless he also develops an unstoppable post game. Which up to this point, unless he's cutting or rebounding is not doing more of or has.

While KD and Lebron don't use back to the basket post moves, its not to say that back to the basket moves are irrelevant. Once MJ, Dirk and Kobe ascended their step back and turnaround fade post games, theirs became elite level. This is what we would like to see from KP as well in and out....no?

Show me where I ever said "KP is what he is." Dude, I never said that. In fact, I've always preached the opposite, that we won't see KP's great until his 4th year in the league. lol. KP has a lot of work to do to be great, which I think he can be if he'd stop acting like a little girl getting his butt hurt because Phil's going to trade his good friend, Melo. But I digress ...

[Jay10]

KP caused more drama than Phil.

KP didn't create this toxic culture and is the biggest reason free agents won't come here. That's Phil.

Free agents weren't giving the Knicks the time of day way before Phil even got here. He obviously hasn't made it better but it wasn't close to being good before him. As soon as we start winning games and we show we have some good young talent and the drama stays away for a season is when free agents will again start looking at coming to the Knicks.

My biggest worry is exactly what S.Bondy said in an article he put out which is what kind of team will we have when Phil leaves? The worry is if we only have players that are looked at as only being good for the triangle type system then what's gonna happen in two years when Phil leaves and whoever takes over wants to go to being the run and gun/pick and roll offense that most of the other teams are running? What i would push for is getting David Blatt to come coach the team Phil leaves us with who's the guy i wanted over Hornachek and all the other guys that were being mentioned for the job before JH got it. Blatt has won championships over in europe with the types of players that Phil is putting on the Knicks so i can't think of many other coaches being a better fit over D.Blatt.

Triangle offense = fundamental basketball; player and ball movement.

It is no different than what the Spurs or the Warriors do.

If a player is complaining about running the triangle offense/motion offense, it is because their field goal attempts are now being distributed amongst their teammates, which they may think will end up costing them money when they become free agents.

The problem isn't the coach or the offense; the problem is the player(s) making the most money not wanting to conform.

[HarthorneWingo]

Really worried about KP's brother giving him bad advice. So far, he walk out makes KP look really bad and the fact, he hasn't returned any of the Knicks' calls makes him look even worse.

It's going to be one helluva season.

KP needs a real U.S. based experienced and professional agent. But now if KP is smart enough to make that move, he risks alienating his family. This is why mixing business and family is not a good move.

[god shammgod]

Yes.
And why Phil publicly said he doesn't want a 7'3" big camping outside taking jumpers, we say that here too.

he's not shaq or hakeem and he's never gonna be. he might get better inside but it will never be his bread and butter. he's a shooter. that's what he does. that's why they talked about him being the next dirk. if phil doesn't like that, he should have never taken him.

I don't believe anyone is suggesting to take away his bread-and-butter, which is to be a shooter. The idea was the fact that he was so young coming into the league (not even legal age) but he can grow and expand his game. That is what we are talking about here, EXPANDING his game. He should have some post moves in his arsenal, bottom line...period...no excuses/passes. Being 5-10 feet from the basket will serve him well to have an stoppable "go-to" move, jump hook/ hook shot, or something to actually use his height advantage. Phil knew who he was but what's wrong in wanting to get the most out of the player? If Phil brought him over at the age of 27-28 THEN I can see "you get what you get" but in this case...trying to develop him to be more versatile than Dirk is a sound basketball move. If he's not going to be somewhat a threat 5 feet from the basket then anyone with a little weight can guard him. Just keep putting rugged 6'7 guy on him to push and neutralize his game and decrease his fG%.

that's fine. i'm responding to the comment above mine. it doesn't say kp needs to augment his game. it says he shouldn't be taking a lot of 3s. i clearly remember phil saying publicly his proudest moment was a game where kp didn't take a 3. there's also an article today in another thread criticizing him for taking a lot of 3s. i don't subscribe to the idea that it's a bad thing.

[MrOrange]

Really worried about KP's brother giving him bad advice. So far, he walk out makes KP look really bad and the fact, he hasn't returned any of the Knicks' calls makes him look even worse.

It's going to be one helluva season.

KP needs a real U.S. based experienced and professional agent. But now if KP is smart enough to make that move, he risks alienating his family. This is why mixing business and family is not a good move.

His agent is Andy Miller:

http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Andy-Miller/14

Jānis is just a part of that team in my understanding.

[Juris]

Guys you are clearly overreacting. There is two truths for two adult persons. Keep calm.
KP is working hard to be better knick, it's only thing that matters.

[Robay_M]

Didn't get to watch it this morning anybody know where I can watch it?


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[Carl_Karlson]

In New York EVERYTHING is drama in the making. PK should have been advised by his brothers that doing ANYTHING that will cause a media frenzy will dramatized for months and should be avoided. His brothers did not protect him from himself and or outside relationship with Melo.

Look, just take a NY minute and look, even the most ardent KP fans are displeased at him. His image has taken a huge hit that will follow him into the season. Listen, there are many many fans that do not accept insubordination, period.

Look at Derek Jeter and the NY Yankees, as an example. No team perhaps other than the Cowboys draws so much attention and drama. But the dude just played the game at the highest level, irregardless of the drama around him and comings and goings of teammates.

Well, I really don't think his image took a hit..

Everything i've heard, and read. Outside of Knicks fans , everyone is on KP`s side.

Absolutely NOT true! Many fans in here have suggested the once unthinkable. That if Phil can get a great haul for him, than bye bye KP.
Many of these fans are ardent KP fans before he turned into a brat. Even Charles Oakley has called him an unproven diva, who in fact disrespected the "greatest coach of all-time" (his own words).

Does that look like his image didn't take a hit? I ask you.

Well, Oak's not wrong...

[Greenie]

Didn't watch

[Phish Tank]

Didn't watch

and you didn't miss much either

[Dr. Detfink]

Really worried about KP's brother giving him bad advice. So far, he walk out makes KP look really bad and the fact, he hasn't returned any of the Knicks' calls makes him look even worse.

It's going to be one helluva season.

KP needs a real U.S. based experienced and professional agent. But now if KP is smart enough to make that move, he risks alienating his family. This is why mixing business and family is not a good move.

His agent is Andy Miller:

http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Andy-Miller/14

Jānis is just a part of that team in my understanding.

Too many cooks in that kitchen...