2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[vincecarter4pres]

We need tucker bad we desperately need shooters

Tucker is a career 35% 3 point shooter, solid not great.

I like Tucker, but he's going to cost too much and his age doesn't fit in with this core.

Tucker is going to cost 4 full years and upwards of $50 to $60 million.

Why would he come to this team on the cheap when there will be 3, 4, 5... 6 playoff type teams lined up to give him their full 4 year MLE? MLE winds up like 4 years $37 million, likely residing in a place with a massively cheaper cost of living then the Tri-State.

If I'm him I only come here for 4 years and say $55 to $60 million, 4th season an ETO.

Yuck.

True, I don't think he'd cost that much. I'd say he'd get Booker type of deal. I don't think, teams will overpay as much as they did from last year that they lowered the salary cap this year.

But you don't see a playoff team throwing their MLE at him? Even for 3 years?

If you could get 3 years and $26 million, with a sizable role on a good team, in an area with a lower cost of living... why would you take the same or less money and years to come here?

Minimum it's taking 3/$39 to get him here.

[DeRoma]

Tucker is a career 35% 3 point shooter, solid not great.

I like Tucker, but he's going to cost too much and his age doesn't fit in with this core.

Tucker is going to cost 4 full years and upwards of $50 to $60 million.

Why would he come to this team on the cheap when there will be 3, 4, 5... 6 playoff type teams lined up to give him their full 4 year MLE? MLE winds up like 4 years $37 million, likely residing in a place with a massively cheaper cost of living then the Tri-State.

If I'm him I only come here for 4 years and say $55 to $60 million, 4th season an ETO.

Yuck.

True, I don't think he'd cost that much. I'd say he'd get Booker type of deal. I don't think, teams will overpay as much as they did from last year that they lowered the salary cap this year.

But you don't see a playoff team throwing their MLE at him? Even for 3 years?

If you could get 3 years and $26 million, with a sizable role on a good team, in an area with a lower cost of living... why would you take the same or less money and years to come here?

Minimum it's taking 3/$39 to get him here.

I really don't think you can account cost of living with players getting paid in millions. Also most of teams have houses their hometown and stays there in the off-season. Even if cost of living is a factor, I'd say it's very minimal. Back then I knew for a fact that Mirza Teletovic lives in clifton close by L.A. Fitness gym is at. That cost about 2k a month. They also eat at Renaissance hotel in Clifton (My brother is one of the chef). Those places are very affordable to players that are getting millions. I also think him being 32 is a big factor that team's won't pay that much as well. Including that he doesn't really impact games as much. I'd say he'd get 3/28 and I think that's worth it. If it is 3/39 then I can agree with you.

[Keith Van Horn]

name I haven't heard much about lately is Jonathon Simmons. If we miss out on the obvious names we've thrown around here, who thinks Simmons is a real possibility? What is he going to command this offseason? He stepped up well in Leonard's absence, but who's to say he could sustain great numbers in a starting role.

[shakendfries]

I would love to get PJ Tucker on a short term contract similar to how we did Booker and Lin last season. Would be a good vet to have around plus a good player at the 3-4. Could be a cheaper/smarter option than maxing out Otto Porter.

I'm all for Tucker, been calling for him to be signed for awhile. He competes, doesn't take any mess. My kind of player.

The Nets could use a Tucker to help instill some toughness into the team's identity. Tucker, Booker, & Mozgov is definitely a strong veteran presence for a front court. They could help instill Dae & Soul Glo's defensive fortitude.

Good basketball teams are anchored by players who will set crushing screens, hustle for boards, and are engaged defensively for each possession.


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[MGrand15]

All I want this off-season is a solid starting level stretch 4 and a vet backup wing. I'm not rolling with RHJ as a starting level 4 AT ALL. And with Booker, Mozgov, and Allen - floor spacers should be a priority.

[Claud]

I'm all for Tucker, been calling for him to be signed for awhile. He competes, doesn't take any mess. My kind of player.

We need tucker bad we desperately need shooters

Tucker is a career 35% 3 point shooter, solid not great.

I like Tucker, but he's going to cost too much and his age doesn't fit in with this core.

Tucker is going to cost 4 full years and upwards of $50 to $60 million.

Why would he come to this team on the cheap when there will be 3, 4, 5... 6 playoff type teams lined up to give him their full 4 year MLE? MLE winds up like 4 years $37 million, likely residing in a place with a massively cheaper cost of living then the Tri-State.

If I'm him I only come here for 4 years and say $55 to $60 million, 4th season an ETO.

Yuck.

That's why I said a deal similar to Lin and Booker... not a huge one. Tucker is a plus defender and solid 3pt shooter plus a vet... I would give him 3/36 like we did with Lin or 2/20 like Booker. If he wants huge money then we move on.

[Paradise]

Wouldn't be surprised if we don't pick up McDaniels option. I think its between him and Goodwin for the same spot, Goodwin has the advantage of being slightly younger and being more talented. I'm not sure if either of them have a future in the NBA.

I'd rather have McDaniels and Goodwin over Harris and Kilpatrick.

I have to be honest. I don't get the KJ McDaniels love. Sure, he's an athletic guy but I don't see what's going to take him to the next level.

39% of his shots come from 3 and he shoots 30% from 3pt range. He's got no mid-range or long two game whatsoever so it's not like he just needs to extend his range (and proficiency) to become a great 3pt shooter. Everything else comes within the paint.

Hinkie is the king of asset management and Morey wants to stretch you into a 3&D player, yet both passed on him super quickly.

If the Nets are keying in on a better player on 1-2 year deal, I'd rather take that $3mil and use it on their contract than re-up with KJ. He reminds of many athletes who make SC Top 10 a few times over a few season (but then are inevitably forgotten) because they are capable of making athletic plays but don't possess much skill outside of that. I can easily see him overseas in Europe doing OK for himself in the CBA or EuroLeague.

Despite him shooting it at 30% from three. He did see increases with PER, TS, TRB%.

I think his value here could be a lot higher for us simply due to the fact we will need athletic guys that finish at the rim, can switch defensively and can sustain the pace of play. I think the eye test showed that KJ was a lot more impactful during that end of the season stretch than Kilpatrick after all while.

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I'd figure out a way to keep McDaniels and Kilpatrick because as of right now, we're currently constructed to be a guard heavy offense. McDaniels could have a similar development process to Mo Harkless or Aminu here.


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[DarkXaero]

Wouldn't be surprised if we don't pick up McDaniels option. I think its between him and Goodwin for the same spot, Goodwin has the advantage of being slightly younger and being more talented. I'm not sure if either of them have a future in the NBA.

I'd rather have McDaniels and Goodwin over Harris and Kilpatrick.

I have to be honest. I don't get the KJ McDaniels love. Sure, he's an athletic guy but I don't see what's going to take him to the next level.

39% of his shots come from 3 and he shoots 30% from 3pt range. He's got no mid-range or long two game whatsoever so it's not like he just needs to extend his range (and proficiency) to become a great 3pt shooter. Everything else comes within the paint.

Hinkie is the king of asset management and Morey wants to stretch you into a 3&D player, yet both passed on him super quickly.

If the Nets are keying in on a better player on 1-2 year deal, I'd rather take that $3mil and use it on their contract than re-up with KJ. He reminds of many athletes who make SC Top 10 a few times over a few season (but then are inevitably forgotten) because they are capable of making athletic plays but don't possess much skill outside of that. I can easily see him overseas in Europe doing OK for himself in the CBA or EuroLeague.

I think it's like you said, he's a super athletic guy capable of SC top 10 highlights, which excites fans. Not long ago, this forum was talking up the potential of Markel Brown, a very similar guard. I think McDaniels is definitely better than Brown but point still stands. Markel Brown is now playing for a Russian league team.

[Born_Ready]

name I haven't heard much about lately is Jonathon Simmons. If we miss out on the obvious names we've thrown around here, who thinks Simmons is a real possibility? What is he going to command this offseason? He stepped up well in Leonard's absence, but who's to say he could sustain great numbers in a starting role.

I think Simmons could be an option. The Spurs just selected White (homerun pick) and Blossomgame (nice upside). I believe one of those prospects would bump into his PT and he may be looking to go somewhere and start. He may be looking to cash in as well. Only he knows.

Luckily, Brooklyn has the good fortune of compiling some solid talent on this roster. Which is why Simmons could be getting overlooked. I think Marks and company are planning to get one more big free agent. Said player could solidify the roster and the fan interest at the same time.

Marks has that same Spurs pedigree - I trust all the brain trust within the orginzation to make concrete decisions.

[Ror1997]

KJ is better and has shown more potential in his short nets stint then Markel Brown did in his 2 years. Plus, KJ has a better build and isn't undersized.

[Paradise]

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[vincecarter4pres]

Nice.

[Mkdaman1818]

Otto porter is a perfect fit for this team. He's young, fits in with the core, and provides a huge need at the wing. Go get em!

[Prokorov]

name I haven't heard much about lately is Jonathon Simmons. If we miss out on the obvious names we've thrown around here, who thinks Simmons is a real possibility? What is he going to command this offseason? He stepped up well in Leonard's absence, but who's to say he could sustain great numbers in a starting role.

Simmons was discussed a ton in the first offseason thread.


i dont know if he would come here but i know i woudlnt want him. i dont want to play 9-10+ million for a player who was terrible on the spurs who run a similar system only with more talent and established elite coaching.

enormous hard pass on simmons for me

[NyCeEvO]

Wouldn't be surprised if we don't pick up McDaniels option. I think its between him and Goodwin for the same spot, Goodwin has the advantage of being slightly younger and being more talented. I'm not sure if either of them have a future in the NBA.

I'd rather have McDaniels and Goodwin over Harris and Kilpatrick.

i like goodwin and KJ. but I think harris is a keeper. our best shooter last year and a guy who does it off screens and moves well without the ball. i think he stil has room to grow too. not alot of guys can shoot like him on the move

Yup, he's our poor man's JJ Redick.

[DarkXaero]

Yea, idk why anyone would want to cut Harris from the roster, unless he becomes really injury prone. He's on a minimum level contract and his play outweighs what he is being paid. He may be the only shooting specialist we have and Kenny loves him. This season was pretty much his first meaningful NBA season and I look forward to a better, improved second season from him.

[Mkdaman1818]

Well here's the answer... we're letting kj go

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[TheBrooklynKidd]

Yea, idk why anyone would want to cut Harris from the roster, unless he becomes really injury prone. He's on a minimum level contract and his play outweighs what he is being paid. He may be the only shooting specialist we have and Kenny loves him. This season was pretty much his first meaningful NBA season and I look forward to a better, improved second season from him.

Honestly the main reason that people want to get rid of him is because we can only have 15 roster spots.

Also I think most fans would rather have Acy, Goodwin or Killpatrick over him. Honestly I think Killpatrick is a little undervalued on this forum. Mainly because of the fact that he struggled at PG so much during the season. I think he can be a great scorer off the bench surrounded by other players to take care of main ball handling duties, he's very versatile and a lights out shooter.

[Ror1997]

I'm 90% sure He's a RFA though so if he is, this doesn't mean much.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

name I haven't heard much about lately is Jonathon Simmons. If we miss out on the obvious names we've thrown around here, who thinks Simmons is a real possibility? What is he going to command this offseason? He stepped up well in Leonard's absence, but who's to say he could sustain great numbers in a starting role.

Simmons was discussed a ton in the first offseason thread.


i dont know if he would come here but i know i woudlnt want him. i dont want to play 9-10+ million for a player who was terrible on the spurs who run a similar system only with more talent and established elite coaching.

enormous hard pass on simmons for me

I'm pretty sure we can only offer Simmons 8 mill tops because of the Gilbert Arenas rule.