Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[jcsunsfan]

The best news being we have our pick next season. Play the young guys from the start and just develop them. No need to destroy cap space on Millsap/etc.

Yeah, this was posted earlier and I said "Thank God" as well, so I probably shouldn't waste time arguing against signing Blake or Millsap or trading for Aldridge.

And I am not reading into this report what you are. I do believe that McD has no intention of signing a big name like Milsap.

Griffin is not a big name like Milsap. Dude is a superstar. National TV spots. Huge exposure for any team that lands him. As recently as 2015 Griffin had the 10th highest selling jersey in the NBA. Every team in the NBA with the cap space to sign him (or the opportunity to clear the space to sign him) calls his agent on July 1.

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I would trade Knight for Aldridge straight up. But that is about all.

[bwgood77]

Couldn't disagree more. Chriss and Bender project as good rim protectors, versatile defenders, and above average 3 point shooters.

They compensate for Blake's lack of blocks, allow the Suns to hide Blake on the worst defenders in the opposing front court, provide weak side rim protection when Blake gets switched onto smaller/quicker wings, and most importantly spread the floor and allow Blake to play as a point forward/center.

Griffin allows Watson/McD to institute a more positionless system now and that will be a huge benefit in developing our youth.

Chriss, Bender and Griffin all need to rebound at a higher rate, totally agree on that point.

Jordan and Blake do not pair well in today's NBA. I think it's the primary reason the Clips have underachieved.

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I don't know that Chriss projects as a good defender and neither Chriss or Bender are ready to guard the best frontcourt guy yet, particularly traditional centers.

Who do you think will be guarding the best front court guy if we don't get Griffin? And Watson was quoted as saying he wants Chriss to be as defensive MVP one day.

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Lets just say sometimes Watson is a bit overly optimistic.

[BobbieL]

And I am not reading into this report what you are. I do believe that McD has no intention of signing a big name like Milsap.

Griffin is not a big name like Milsap. Dude is a superstar. National TV spots. Huge exposure for any team that lands him. As recently as 2015 Griffin had the 10th highest selling jersey in the NBA. Every team in the NBA with the cap space to sign him (or the opportunity to clear the space to sign him) calls his agent on July 1.

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Okay, based on my trade above of Knight, Warren, Dudley and a future first for Blake Griffin, re-sign Sauce as back up Center

Griffin/Chriss
Jackson/Bender
Chandler/Sauce
Booker/Reed
Bledsoe/Ulis

Is this a playoff team?

Well firstly, Blake is a free agent. Secondly, if he wasn't no one is trading Griffin for a deal like that.

Well, possibly true. But if you are the Clippers - is that deal better than not getting anything back for Griffin. I get its a long shot - but probably as the other poster said - players would be moved to create the cap space..

Looks like the Cavs still want Paul George - making another push for him. Celtics seem like they have more ammo to get George than Denver

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[BobbieL]

Yeah, this was posted earlier and I said "Thank God" as well, so I probably shouldn't waste time arguing against signing Blake or Millsap or trading for Aldridge.

And I am not reading into this report what you are. I do believe that McD has no intention of signing a big name like Milsap.

Griffin is not a big name like Milsap. Dude is a superstar. National TV spots. Huge exposure for any team that lands him. As recently as 2015 Griffin had the 10th highest selling jersey in the NBA. Every team in the NBA with the cap space to sign him (or the opportunity to clear the space to sign him) calls his agent on July 1.

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I would trade Knight for Aldridge straight up. But that is about all.

Dudley makes less than Knight so that helps the SPurs with their cap in pursuit of CP3 or others. Maybe the Suns shouldn't try to help the Spurs but do I think Aldridge helps this team for the next two years more than Dudley - I would say yes. Dudley would find a roll with the SPurs. It was just a rosterbation on my part since the PF position was brought about.

[bwgood77]

Okay, based on my trade above of Knight, Warren, Dudley and a future first for Blake Griffin, re-sign Sauce as back up Center

Griffin/Chriss
Jackson/Bender
Chandler/Sauce
Booker/Reed
Bledsoe/Ulis

Is this a playoff team?

Well firstly, Blake is a free agent. Secondly, if he wasn't no one is trading Griffin for a deal like that.

Well, possibly true. But if you are the Clippers - is that deal better than not getting anything back for Griffin. I get its a long shot - but probably as the other poster said - players would be moved to create the cap space..

Looks like the Cavs still want Paul George - making another push for him. Celtics seem like they have more ammo to get George than Denver

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No it's not. Nobody wants to pay Brandon Knight's contract. Maybe someone that gives us a bad contract, but not trading away a superstar. Then Dudley? Warren is a nice piece and a pick is nice but they likely lose both Griffin and Paul this offseason and are likely to trade Jordan too and may just begin a rebuild. They may keep their guys but I have no idea. It sounds like they may be ready to move on, so they should trade Jordan for young players and/or draft picks.

[Frank Lee]

I think second tier FAs are a more likely and affordable route. Don't be surprised when Serge Ibaka or Taj Gibson visit Phnx.
Could a 3 yr / 30 mill deal work ? These guys play defense, are solid pros and are given talents. Both Bender and Chris would benefit from their presence, without cutting too much into their playing time.... and it wouldn't hamstring us with cap room or a lengthy commitment. Len on the other hand, could cost more... much more.

[kennydorglas]

Well firstly, Blake is a free agent. Secondly, if he wasn't no one is trading Griffin for a deal like that.

Well, possibly true. But if you are the Clippers - is that deal better than not getting anything back for Griffin. I get its a long shot - but probably as the other poster said - players would be moved to create the cap space..

Looks like the Cavs still want Paul George - making another push for him. Celtics seem like they have more ammo to get George than Denver

Read on Twitter

No it's not. Nobody wants to pay Brandon Knight's contract. Maybe someone that gives us a bad contract, but not trading away a superstar. Then Dudley? Warren is a nice piece and a pick is nice but they likely lose both Griffin and Paul this offseason and are likely to trade Jordan too and may just begin a rebuild. They may keep their guys but I have no idea. It sounds like they may be ready to move on, so they should trade Jordan for young players and/or draft picks.

People bought that Miles Plumlee's contract 2 times. Nothing is impossible.

[bigfoot]

Well firstly, Blake is a free agent. Secondly, if he wasn't no one is trading Griffin for a deal like that.

Well, possibly true. But if you are the Clippers - is that deal better than not getting anything back for Griffin. I get its a long shot - but probably as the other poster said - players would be moved to create the cap space..

Looks like the Cavs still want Paul George - making another push for him. Celtics seem like they have more ammo to get George than Denver

Read on Twitter

No it's not. Nobody wants to pay Brandon Knight's contract. Maybe someone that gives us a bad contract, but not trading away a superstar. Then Dudley? Warren is a nice piece and a pick is nice but they likely lose both Griffin and Paul this offseason and are likely to trade Jordan too and may just begin a rebuild. They may keep their guys but I have no idea. It sounds like they may be ready to move on, so they should trade Jordan for young players and/or draft picks.

I imagine we could get the Nets to take Knight if we offered one of the Miami picks.

[bwgood77]

Well, possibly true. But if you are the Clippers - is that deal better than not getting anything back for Griffin. I get its a long shot - but probably as the other poster said - players would be moved to create the cap space..

Looks like the Cavs still want Paul George - making another push for him. Celtics seem like they have more ammo to get George than Denver

Read on Twitter

No it's not. Nobody wants to pay Brandon Knight's contract. Maybe someone that gives us a bad contract, but not trading away a superstar. Then Dudley? Warren is a nice piece and a pick is nice but they likely lose both Griffin and Paul this offseason and are likely to trade Jordan too and may just begin a rebuild. They may keep their guys but I have no idea. It sounds like they may be ready to move on, so they should trade Jordan for young players and/or draft picks.

I imagine we could get the Nets to take Knight if we offered one of the Miami picks.

Yeah, we may be able to move him if we include a first rounder. That's still paying $43 million or so for a pick. I imagine they'd have to think perhaps he can be useful as well.

[BobbieL]

I think second tier FAs are a more likely and affordable route. Don't be surprised when Serge Ibaka or Taj Gibson visit Phnx.
Could a 3 yr / 30 mill deal work ? These guys play defense, are solid pros and are given talents. Both Bender and Chris would benefit from their presence, without cutting too much into their playing time.... and it wouldn't hamstring us with cap room or a lengthy commitment. Len on the other hand, could cost more... much more.

There you go - Taj Gibson a two year deal makes a heckuva lot of sense. Forgot he was a free agent. I think Ibaka will get more years and dollars from the Raptors after losing Kyle Lowry - but I like Gibson. Could be the kind of solid free agent signed. I think that would also mean Len going. I just have no clue what team needs an Alex Len though

I looked at the teams in the NBA - I do not see one team that will offer anything of substance to Len. I think the Suns get him back - if they want, for like 8m, one year

[BobbieL]

Well firstly, Blake is a free agent. Secondly, if he wasn't no one is trading Griffin for a deal like that.

Well, possibly true. But if you are the Clippers - is that deal better than not getting anything back for Griffin. I get its a long shot - but probably as the other poster said - players would be moved to create the cap space..

Looks like the Cavs still want Paul George - making another push for him. Celtics seem like they have more ammo to get George than Denver

Read on Twitter

No it's not. Nobody wants to pay Brandon Knight's contract. Maybe someone that gives us a bad contract, but not trading away a superstar. Then Dudley? Warren is a nice piece and a pick is nice but they likely lose both Griffin and Paul this offseason and are likely to trade Jordan too and may just begin a rebuild. They may keep their guys but I have no idea. It sounds like they may be ready to move on, so they should trade Jordan for young players and/or draft picks.

I just wish Knight would revert to some kind of form - maybe that is the best hope - he actually plays well next year

[bigfoot]

Well, possibly true. But if you are the Clippers - is that deal better than not getting anything back for Griffin. I get its a long shot - but probably as the other poster said - players would be moved to create the cap space..

Looks like the Cavs still want Paul George - making another push for him. Celtics seem like they have more ammo to get George than Denver

Read on Twitter

No it's not. Nobody wants to pay Brandon Knight's contract. Maybe someone that gives us a bad contract, but not trading away a superstar. Then Dudley? Warren is a nice piece and a pick is nice but they likely lose both Griffin and Paul this offseason and are likely to trade Jordan too and may just begin a rebuild. They may keep their guys but I have no idea. It sounds like they may be ready to move on, so they should trade Jordan for young players and/or draft picks.

I just wish Knight would revert to some kind of form - maybe that is the best hope - he actually plays well next year

He has to commit to defense and passing.

[AtheJ415]

We could and probably should try to trade Knight for Okafor, but that is probably the only somewhat realistic move for him. In no circumstance should we be adding an asset to move him. We don't need the cap space, and thus we don't need to dump him urgently.

[BobbieL]

We could and probably should try to trade Knight for Okafor, but that is probably the only somewhat realistic move for him. In no circumstance should we be adding an asset to move him. We don't need the cap space, and thus we don't need to dump him urgently.

Okafor - not sure how he would fit on the roster. And my guess is, the Suns would have to take back Bayless A not so great contract.

In some ways, keeping Knight might be the best option as I just don't know a bad contract that would "work" - somebody wrote JVal from the Raptors . But that would for sure meaning trading Chandler and not keeping Len.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I'm fine with Knight we can just parlay his salary onto Bender, Chriss in 3 years.

Similarly Dudley, Chandler goes to Booker in 2 years.

Strategy blocks the risk of being tempted into a $150m guy that goes wrong.

[BobbieL]

I'm fine with Knight we can just parlay his salary onto Bender, Chriss in 3 years.

Similarly Dudley, Chandler goes to Booker in 2 years.

Strategy blocks the risk of being tempted into a $150m guy that goes wrong.

I think that is why my original idea for Knight was Shumpert. After watching the Cavs/Warriors - the Cavs do not have much bench scoring. Not that Knight is good but he can probably score more than Shumpert. And if Iman is not playing defense, what does he bring. Nothing.

Shumpert has a year less on his deal and is cheaper per year. Cavs owner Gilbert never afraid to spend money. So, Shumper Dudley and chandler all roll off in 2019. And like you said, it would limit the FA signing to a cheaper option like Gibson for two years and not get hammered with a really big contract that hampers your long term cap

[SideSwipe]

The unique opportunity of having a star (Booker) on rookie scale should not be overlooked. A good GM will look to exploit that. That advantage goes away in two years. I think summer league will tell us a lot. If Chriss and Bender have really been working on their game McD and Sarver maybe content to grow organically. If it was me, I am still looking to put together some real proven quality around Booker.

[asudevil]

Suns trade: Knight
Suns get: Rondo

Bulls trade: Rondo/2018 2nd
Bulls get: Okafor

Sixers trade: Okafor
Sixers get: Knight/Bulls 2018 2nd

Personally i want no part of Okafor. If it came down to resigning Sauce or taking Okafor, i choose Sauce. Rondo only has $3mil guaranteed next year, so he costs us very little.

Bulls get Okafor for basically free. This helps start that rebuild process

Sixers may have use for Knight. He can play off the ball opposite Fultz. He may see a resurgence in Philly.

Len: 4/45
Sauce: 3/18

We'll have $20mil in cap space to go after a FA. Evans/McLemore/?

[SunZel]

Ya know, now that i think about it the only reason i could think of why management would want to trade Bledsoe is if they think Ulis is the future. What point guard in free agency are that much better then Bledsoe at the point that would be a game changer for us. Also looking at next years draft the PG position looks pretty slim. Also, its not like you have to have an all star at every position to compete.

[thamadkant]

I don't know that Chriss projects as a good defender and neither Chriss or Bender are ready to guard the best frontcourt guy yet, particularly traditional centers.

Who do you think will be guarding the best front court guy if we don't get Griffin? And Watson was quoted as saying he wants Chriss to be as defensive MVP one day.

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Lets just say sometimes Watson is a bit overly optimistic.

Yeah, I dont understand Watson's projection of Chriss as a defender.... Defense is not just athletic ability and size. Its defensive IQ and awareness and anticipating your opponent's moves and next play... and Chriss is so bad at that. He gets faked out easily and he will foul players when he goes one on one... sure he will improve but highlight blocks from the weakside especially after leaving your man completely open is not really Defensive MVP material.