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Post#61 » by snaquille oatmeal » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:10 pm

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MadNESS wrote:It's going to be someone not listed yet.

Magic and Rob haven't even started yet.

oh they started alright, if you didn't know they traded a number 2 pick for cap space a few days ago.


Could they have gotten a better haul for DLo, perhaps. But they had to move him. He secretly recorded another player's private conversation and published it for the world to see, leading to national embarrassment. He violated a sacred locker room trust. He is a pariah around the league. Players do not want to play with him, and have likely informed the Lakers brass of this. Rightly or wrongly, this will stick with him for his career.

People who downplay the impact that this event has had on DLo's standing with players around the league have likely never played competitive team sports and do not understand the importance of locker-room confidences. It's a very real thing. The bulk of the anger regarding the DLo trade is generally coming from proverbial "stat-heads" who, at least facially, appear to have never played competitive team sports. They point to per-36 numbers, and other metrics. But, the bottom line is that DLo crossed a rubicon within the locker-room. He will likely never get that back. He was/is a liability in landing free agents. People don't want to play with him. Magic basically said as much at Lonzo's press conference.

This might be easy to downplay, given the intangible quality of it, but players like DLo can be a huge hinderance in the FA market. And, Magic/Pelinka likely felt that they needed to move him ASAP.

I still think they could have gotten a better deal. But, I am not even the slightest bit angry that he is off this team. Personality matters. Character matters.

the timing and/or the value is what's the issue. we don't know how well he could have played along side Ball, we definitely could have gotten more especially if we waited or we could have used Dlo (a number 2 pick) plus to get George first and then randle/Clarson/moz to get the Lopes deal.

now as far as your main concern about "the betrayal" Negro please, these are grown man who are professionals not high school kids. Have you ever worked anywhere where there wasn't at least one person you didn't like or anybody that didn't like you? you man up and you do your job, if you can't do that then the problem is you. I was in the military and I dealt with life and death situations along side people I did not like and people that didn't like me but we did our job and we all made it back alright because that was our job to make it back. so while the impact of an 18 year old's mistake might be damaging to moral, as a professional these players need to get over it or they are the problem.
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Re: Starting S.G Next Year 

Post#62 » by lake_show » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:26 pm

Tzar wrote:
snaquille oatmeal wrote:
MadNESS wrote:It's going to be someone not listed yet.

Magic and Rob haven't even started yet.

oh they started alright, if you didn't know they traded a number 2 pick for cap space a few days ago.


Could they have gotten a better haul for DLo, perhaps. But they had to move him. He secretly recorded another player's private conversation and published it for the world to see, leading to national embarrassment. He violated a sacred locker room trust. He is a pariah around the league. Players do not want to play with him, and have likely informed the Lakers brass of this. Rightly or wrongly, this will stick with him for his career.

People who downplay the impact that this event has had on DLo's standing with players around the league have likely never played competitive team sports and do not understand the importance of locker-room confidences. It's a very real thing. The bulk of the anger regarding the DLo trade is generally coming from proverbial "stat-heads" who, at least facially, appear to have never played competitive team sports. They point to per-36 numbers, and other metrics. But, the bottom line is that DLo crossed a rubicon within the locker-room. He will likely never get that back. He was/is a liability in landing free agents. People don't want to play with him. Magic basically said as much at Lonzo's press conference.

This might be easy to downplay, given the intangible quality of it, but players like DLo can be a huge hinderance in the FA market. And, Magic/Pelinka likely felt that they needed to move him ASAP.

I still think they could have gotten a better deal. But, I am not even the slightest bit angry that he is off this team. Personality matters. Character matters.


I've played basketball competitively all my life. Not only basketball I've also played in competitive soccer leagues. You're gonna learn real quick you're not the only one who's played sports on this forum. Many of the dudes here have played sports.

I agree with you that what D'Lo did last year was indefensible. The guys you're talking about are saying the exact same thing you just said:

Tzar wrote:I still think they could of gotten a better deal


That's all every one is saying. The same exact thing you are. Just because people don't like the trade doesn't mean they like what he did last Summer. That's kind of a ridiculous statement. I agree with you that what he did impacted his future with this team, and most likely with the league for the rest of his career. If you're gonna trade him though... Just get something in return.

This is business. I know every one is emotional about what happened, but in business you don't let that cloud you're business decisions. Trading Russell was not imperative. We could trade him at any point between now and 2018, and we didn't have to trade him for nothing in return.
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Re: Starting S.G Next Year 

Post#63 » by Tzar » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:30 pm

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Tzar wrote:
snaquille oatmeal wrote:oh they started alright, if you didn't know they traded a number 2 pick for cap space a few days ago.


Could they have gotten a better haul for DLo, perhaps. But they had to move him. He secretly recorded another player's private conversation and published it for the world to see, leading to national embarrassment. He violated a sacred locker room trust. He is a pariah around the league. Players do not want to play with him, and have likely informed the Lakers brass of this. Rightly or wrongly, this will stick with him for his career.

People who downplay the impact that this event has had on DLo's standing with players around the league have likely never played competitive team sports and do not understand the importance of locker-room confidences. It's a very real thing. The bulk of the anger regarding the DLo trade is generally coming from proverbial "stat-heads" who, at least facially, appear to have never played competitive team sports. They point to per-36 numbers, and other metrics. But, the bottom line is that DLo crossed a rubicon within the locker-room. He will likely never get that back. He was/is a liability in landing free agents. People don't want to play with him. Magic basically said as much at Lonzo's press conference.

This might be easy to downplay, given the intangible quality of it, but players like DLo can be a huge hinderance in the FA market. And, Magic/Pelinka likely felt that they needed to move him ASAP.

I still think they could have gotten a better deal. But, I am not even the slightest bit angry that he is off this team. Personality matters. Character matters.

the timing and/or the value is what's the issue. we don't know how well he could have played along side Ball, we definitely could have gotten more especially if we waited or we could have used Dlo (a number 2 pick) plus to get George first and then randle/Clarson/moz to get the Lopes deal.

now as far as your main concern about "the betrayal" Negro please, these are grown man who are professionals not high school kids. Have you ever worked anywhere where there wasn't at least one person you didn't like or anybody that didn't like you? you man up and you do your job, if you can't do that then the problem is you. I was in the military and I dealt with life and death situations along side people I did not like and people that didn't like me but we did our job and we all made it back alright because that was our job to make it back. so while the impact of an 18 year old's mistake might be damaging to moral, as a professional these players need to get over it or they are the problem.


I don't think that you're appreciating the unique milieu in which NBA players/teams operate. The military is a faulty comparison. In the military people don't really have a choice as to who they are stationed with. Also, the stakes are incredibly higher (sometimes life and death). People have to make it work on a much more basic level.

NBA players are spectacularly unique individuals. Many have been treated like celebrities for as long as they can remember. They also have choices - at least with regards to the free agent market. Free agency is a dynamic and fluid process.

Also, a comparison to common work-place spats is faulty as well. At work, employees generally lack the leverage that NBA players have regarding their employers. Also, NBA players spend an exorbitant amount of time together. Chemistry among a small, tight-knit team matters. The military and regular employment spats are just bad comparisons.

Also, the "man-up" ethos that you mentioned is irrelevant to the point that I was making. It's a complete misdirection. In the law, we call that a strawman. Will players who are already on DLo's team come to work, play-hard, etc? Sure. But, will players who are currently not on DLo's team be hesitant to join him when they have other options? Maybe.

The fact that Magic said that he picked Lonzo because he wanted a guy who other players wanted to play with was very telling.
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Re: Starting S.G Next Year 

Post#64 » by larry14r » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:40 pm

Tzar wrote:
snaquille oatmeal wrote:
Tzar wrote:
Could they have gotten a better haul for DLo, perhaps. But they had to move him. He secretly recorded another player's private conversation and published it for the world to see, leading to national embarrassment. He violated a sacred locker room trust. He is a pariah around the league. Players do not want to play with him, and have likely informed the Lakers brass of this. Rightly or wrongly, this will stick with him for his career.

People who downplay the impact that this event has had on DLo's standing with players around the league have likely never played competitive team sports and do not understand the importance of locker-room confidences. It's a very real thing. The bulk of the anger regarding the DLo trade is generally coming from proverbial "stat-heads" who, at least facially, appear to have never played competitive team sports. They point to per-36 numbers, and other metrics. But, the bottom line is that DLo crossed a rubicon within the locker-room. He will likely never get that back. He was/is a liability in landing free agents. People don't want to play with him. Magic basically said as much at Lonzo's press conference.

This might be easy to downplay, given the intangible quality of it, but players like DLo can be a huge hinderance in the FA market. And, Magic/Pelinka likely felt that they needed to move him ASAP.

I still think they could have gotten a better deal. But, I am not even the slightest bit angry that he is off this team. Personality matters. Character matters.

the timing and/or the value is what's the issue. we don't know how well he could have played along side Ball, we definitely could have gotten more especially if we waited or we could have used Dlo (a number 2 pick) plus to get George first and then randle/Clarson/moz to get the Lopes deal.

now as far as your main concern about "the betrayal" Negro please, these are grown man who are professionals not high school kids. Have you ever worked anywhere where there wasn't at least one person you didn't like or anybody that didn't like you? you man up and you do your job, if you can't do that then the problem is you. I was in the military and I dealt with life and death situations along side people I did not like and people that didn't like me but we did our job and we all made it back alright because that was our job to make it back. so while the impact of an 18 year old's mistake might be damaging to moral, as a professional these players need to get over it or they are the problem.


I don't think that you're appreciating the unique milieu in which NBA players/teams operate. The military is a faulty comparison. In the military people don't really have a choice as to who they are stationed with. Also, the stakes are incredibly higher (sometimes life and death). People have to make it work on a much more basic level.

NBA players are spectacularly unique individuals. Many have been treated like celebrities for as long as they can remember. They also have choices - at least with regards to the free agent market. Free agency is a dynamic and fluid process.

Also, a comparison to common work-place spats is faulty as well. At work, employees generally lack the leverage that NBA players have regarding their employers. Also, NBA players spend an exorbitant amount of time together. Chemistry among a small, tight-knit team matters. The military and regular employment spats are just bad comparisons.

Also, the "man-up" ethos that you mentioned is irrelevant to the point that I was making. It's a complete misdirection. In the law, we call that a strawman. Will players who are already on DLo's team come to work, play-hard, etc? Sure. But, will players who are currently not on DLo's team be hesitant to join him when they have other options? Maybe.

The fact that Magic said that he picked Lonzo because he wanted a guy who other players wanted to play with was very telling.


No offense, but Nick had it coming because he couldn't keep it in his pants thus why Iggy dumped his ass.
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Re: Starting S.G Next Year 

Post#65 » by Tzar » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:47 pm

larry14r wrote:
Tzar wrote:
snaquille oatmeal wrote:the timing and/or the value is what's the issue. we don't know how well he could have played along side Ball, we definitely could have gotten more especially if we waited or we could have used Dlo (a number 2 pick) plus to get George first and then randle/Clarson/moz to get the Lopes deal.

now as far as your main concern about "the betrayal" Negro please, these are grown man who are professionals not high school kids. Have you ever worked anywhere where there wasn't at least one person you didn't like or anybody that didn't like you? you man up and you do your job, if you can't do that then the problem is you. I was in the military and I dealt with life and death situations along side people I did not like and people that didn't like me but we did our job and we all made it back alright because that was our job to make it back. so while the impact of an 18 year old's mistake might be damaging to moral, as a professional these players need to get over it or they are the problem.


I don't think that you're appreciating the unique milieu in which NBA players/teams operate. The military is a faulty comparison. In the military people don't really have a choice as to who they are stationed with. Also, the stakes are incredibly higher (sometimes life and death). People have to make it work on a much more basic level.

NBA players are spectacularly unique individuals. Many have been treated like celebrities for as long as they can remember. They also have choices - at least with regards to the free agent market. Free agency is a dynamic and fluid process.

Also, a comparison to common work-place spats is faulty as well. At work, employees generally lack the leverage that NBA players have regarding their employers. Also, NBA players spend an exorbitant amount of time together. Chemistry among a small, tight-knit team matters. The military and regular employment spats are just bad comparisons.

Also, the "man-up" ethos that you mentioned is irrelevant to the point that I was making. It's a complete misdirection. In the law, we call that a strawman. Will players who are already on DLo's team come to work, play-hard, etc? Sure. But, will players who are currently not on DLo's team be hesitant to join him when they have other options? Maybe.

The fact that Magic said that he picked Lonzo because he wanted a guy who other players wanted to play with was very telling.


No offense, but Nick had it coming because he couldn't keep it in his pants thus why Iggy dumped his ass.


That may be so, but it veers from the main point. Regardless of what Nick Young did and his purported culpability, the fact remains that DLo violated a "sacred" locker-room trust. Reasonable people might say that Young had it coming. But, players, either rightly or wrongly, think that such private conversations should remain private. It was a shocking violation of trust.
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Post#66 » by TrillyandTruly » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:55 pm

I don't think Clarkson will be started. He serves better as a backup. I'm pretty sure we'll sign a free agent within the upcoming weeks.
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Post#67 » by snaquille oatmeal » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:04 pm

Tzar wrote:I don't think that you're appreciating the unique milieu in which NBA players/teams operate. The military is a faulty comparison. In the military people don't really have a choice as to who they are stationed with. Also, the stakes are incredibly higher (sometimes life and death). People have to make it work on a much more basic level.

NBA players are spectacularly unique individuals. Many have been treated like celebrities for as long as they can remember. They also have choices - at least with regards to the free agent market. Free agency is a dynamic and fluid process.

Also, a comparison to common work-place spats is faulty as well. At work, employees generally lack the leverage that NBA players have regarding their employers. Also, NBA players spend an exorbitant amount of time together. Chemistry among a small, tight-knit team matters. The military and regular employment spats are just bad comparisons.

Also, the "man-up" ethos that you mentioned is irrelevant to the point that I was making. It's a complete misdirection. In the law, we call that a strawman. Will players who are already on DLo's team come to work, play-hard, etc? Sure. But, will players who are currently not on DLo's team be hesitant to join him when they have other options? Maybe.

The fact that Magic said that he picked Lonzo because he wanted a guy who other players wanted to play with was very telling.

ok so in your opening paragraph you basically say that the military comparison is faulty because military members don't have a choice who the get stationed with, but when players are traded or drafted they don't have a choice who their team mates are going to be either. when a military members time on a duty station ends (especially Navy) the ember has a choice of where the next duty station is going to be just like a free agent.

second regardless of whether it is a life or death situation in a work environment you have to make it work because you are a professional you are getting paid to do your job if you don't then the problem is you not the guy you don't like.

as far as NBA payers having leverage, don't kid yourself they have as much leverage as anybody on a contract. even Lebron had to play along side Delonte West for a while. Pau Gasol had to play along side Shannon Brown, Kobe had to play with Smush Parker etc.

as far as players having to spend more time together yeah military member spend way more time together than NBA players and in Navy cases in a lot smaller spaces.
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Post#68 » by lake_show » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:07 pm

TrillyandTruly wrote:I don't think Clarkson will be started. He serves better as a backup. I'm pretty sure we'll sign a free agent within the upcoming weeks.


Yup. I agree. Clarkson is better fit off the bench. I'd like to see Nwaba in that spot but I don't think we have enough shooting on the court for that to be possible. Strongest possibility is we sign a free agent to fill that role.
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Post#69 » by Tzar » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:16 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:
Tzar wrote:I don't think that you're appreciating the unique milieu in which NBA players/teams operate. The military is a faulty comparison. In the military people don't really have a choice as to who they are stationed with. Also, the stakes are incredibly higher (sometimes life and death). People have to make it work on a much more basic level.

NBA players are spectacularly unique individuals. Many have been treated like celebrities for as long as they can remember. They also have choices - at least with regards to the free agent market. Free agency is a dynamic and fluid process.

Also, a comparison to common work-place spats is faulty as well. At work, employees generally lack the leverage that NBA players have regarding their employers. Also, NBA players spend an exorbitant amount of time together. Chemistry among a small, tight-knit team matters. The military and regular employment spats are just bad comparisons.

Also, the "man-up" ethos that you mentioned is irrelevant to the point that I was making. It's a complete misdirection. In the law, we call that a strawman. Will players who are already on DLo's team come to work, play-hard, etc? Sure. But, will players who are currently not on DLo's team be hesitant to join him when they have other options? Maybe.

The fact that Magic said that he picked Lonzo because he wanted a guy who other players wanted to play with was very telling.

ok so in your opening paragraph you basically say that the military comparison is faulty because military members don't have a choice who the get stationed with, but when players are traded or drafted they don't have a choice who their team mates are going to be either. when a military members time on a duty station ends (especially Navy) the ember has a choice of where the next duty station is going to be just like a free agent.

second regardless of whether it is a life or death situation in a work environment you have to make it work because you are a professional you are getting paid to do your job if you don't then the problem is you not the guy you don't like.

as far as NBA payers having leverage, don't kid yourself they have as much leverage as anybody on a contract. even Lebron had to play along side Delonte West for a while. Pau Gasol had to play along side Shannon Brown, Kobe had to play with Smush Parker etc.

as far as players having to spend more time together yeah military member spend way more time together than NBA players and in Navy cases in a lot smaller spaces.


You do understand the concept of free agency, right? Clearly players are bound to signed bilateral contacts. You keep veering from the point. I'm done.
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Post#70 » by Tzar » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:34 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:
Tzar wrote:I don't think that you're appreciating the unique milieu in which NBA players/teams operate. The military is a faulty comparison. In the military people don't really have a choice as to who they are stationed with. Also, the stakes are incredibly higher (sometimes life and death). People have to make it work on a much more basic level.

NBA players are spectacularly unique individuals. Many have been treated like celebrities for as long as they can remember. They also have choices - at least with regards to the free agent market. Free agency is a dynamic and fluid process.

Also, a comparison to common work-place spats is faulty as well. At work, employees generally lack the leverage that NBA players have regarding their employers. Also, NBA players spend an exorbitant amount of time together. Chemistry among a small, tight-knit team matters. The military and regular employment spats are just bad comparisons.

Also, the "man-up" ethos that you mentioned is irrelevant to the point that I was making. It's a complete misdirection. In the law, we call that a strawman. Will players who are already on DLo's team come to work, play-hard, etc? Sure. But, will players who are currently not on DLo's team be hesitant to join him when they have other options? Maybe.

The fact that Magic said that he picked Lonzo because he wanted a guy who other players wanted to play with was very telling.

ok so in your opening paragraph you basically say that the military comparison is faulty because military members don't have a choice who the get stationed with, but when players are traded or drafted they don't have a choice who their team mates are going to be either. when a military members time on a duty station ends (especially Navy) the ember has a choice of where the next duty station is going to be just like a free agent.

second regardless of whether it is a life or death situation in a work environment you have to make it work because you are a professional you are getting paid to do your job if you don't then the problem is you not the guy you don't like.

as far as NBA payers having leverage, don't kid yourself they have as much leverage as anybody on a contract. even Lebron had to play along side Delonte West for a while. Pau Gasol had to play along side Shannon Brown, Kobe had to play with Smush Parker etc.

as far as players having to spend more time together yeah military member spend way more time together than NBA players and in Navy cases in a lot smaller spaces.


One of the operative words in what I said was: " In the military people don't really have a choice as to who they are stationed with." I chose that word very carefully, so as to leave open the possibility that people in the military may indeed have a choice at some point. Also, you're response belies the main point that I was making - that NBA team dynamics exist within a very unique milieu. Very different than almost all other workplaces. If you can't see the unique nature of an NBA locker-room and would rather reduce it to middling cubicle/office-politics then we really have no place to go with this discussion.

Also, the main crux of my argument was grounded in NBA free agency. Of course players who are already on the same team are going to try to make things work. But, when players have the option to join/leave teams during free agency various data-points come into play when a player is weighing his options. The players that that player will be teamed up with is a likely factor.
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Post#71 » by snaquille oatmeal » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:45 pm

Tzar wrote:
snaquille oatmeal wrote:
Tzar wrote:I don't think that you're appreciating the unique milieu in which NBA players/teams operate. The military is a faulty comparison. In the military people don't really have a choice as to who they are stationed with. Also, the stakes are incredibly higher (sometimes life and death). People have to make it work on a much more basic level.

NBA players are spectacularly unique individuals. Many have been treated like celebrities for as long as they can remember. They also have choices - at least with regards to the free agent market. Free agency is a dynamic and fluid process.

Also, a comparison to common work-place spats is faulty as well. At work, employees generally lack the leverage that NBA players have regarding their employers. Also, NBA players spend an exorbitant amount of time together. Chemistry among a small, tight-knit team matters. The military and regular employment spats are just bad comparisons.

Also, the "man-up" ethos that you mentioned is irrelevant to the point that I was making. It's a complete misdirection. In the law, we call that a strawman. Will players who are already on DLo's team come to work, play-hard, etc? Sure. But, will players who are currently not on DLo's team be hesitant to join him when they have other options? Maybe.

The fact that Magic said that he picked Lonzo because he wanted a guy who other players wanted to play with was very telling.

ok so in your opening paragraph you basically say that the military comparison is faulty because military members don't have a choice who the get stationed with, but when players are traded or drafted they don't have a choice who their team mates are going to be either. when a military members time on a duty station ends (especially Navy) the ember has a choice of where the next duty station is going to be just like a free agent.

second regardless of whether it is a life or death situation in a work environment you have to make it work because you are a professional you are getting paid to do your job if you don't then the problem is you not the guy you don't like.

as far as NBA payers having leverage, don't kid yourself they have as much leverage as anybody on a contract. even Lebron had to play along side Delonte West for a while. Pau Gasol had to play along side Shannon Brown, Kobe had to play with Smush Parker etc.

as far as players having to spend more time together yeah military member spend way more time together than NBA players and in Navy cases in a lot smaller spaces.


One of the operative words in what I said was: " In the military people don't really have a choice as to who they are stationed with." I chose that word very carefully, so as to leave open the possibility that people in the military may indeed have a choice at some point. Also, you're response belies the main point that I was making - that NBA team dynamics exist within a very unique milieu. Very different than almost all other workplaces. If you can't see the unique nature of an NBA locker-room and would rather reduce it to middling cubicle/office-politics then we really have no place to go with this discussion.

Also, the main crux of my argument was grounded in NBA free agency. Of course players who are already on the same team are going to try to make things work. But, when players have the option to join/leave teams during free agency various data-points come into play when a player is weighing his options. The players that that player will be teamed up with is a likely factor.

you are contradicting yourself in the highlighted sentences.

as far as the "unique milieu" I will give you a brief insight to Navy life, the construction of the chain of command works like this: let's say you are in a destroyer, the CO is responsible for the whole crew, the structure of how he runs this is there are several dept. Combat Systems, engineering, Operations, weapons, and supply. each dept has divisions. Combat systems has Combat Electronics, Under Water, and fire Control. each division has work centers. combat electronics has RADAR, COMMS, and Interior Communications. there about 6 to 10 people per work center and these people eat, work, sleep, poop, play, work out in the same rooms for six months at the time. so yeah the dynamics of living/working together is the same as a sports team or a rock band. at the end of their tour on that ship they weigh in weather they want to move to another state, overseas, or stay in the same city or even extend in their current command so as much as you think it is different it is not.
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snaquille oatmeal wrote:ok so in your opening paragraph you basically say that the military comparison is faulty because military members don't have a choice who the get stationed with, but when players are traded or drafted they don't have a choice who their team mates are going to be either. when a military members time on a duty station ends (especially Navy) the ember has a choice of where the next duty station is going to be just like a free agent.

second regardless of whether it is a life or death situation in a work environment you have to make it work because you are a professional you are getting paid to do your job if you don't then the problem is you not the guy you don't like.

as far as NBA payers having leverage, don't kid yourself they have as much leverage as anybody on a contract. even Lebron had to play along side Delonte West for a while. Pau Gasol had to play along side Shannon Brown, Kobe had to play with Smush Parker etc.

as far as players having to spend more time together yeah military member spend way more time together than NBA players and in Navy cases in a lot smaller spaces.


One of the operative words in what I said was: " In the military people don't really have a choice as to who they are stationed with." I chose that word very carefully, so as to leave open the possibility that people in the military may indeed have a choice at some point. Also, you're response belies the main point that I was making - that NBA team dynamics exist within a very unique milieu. Very different than almost all other workplaces. If you can't see the unique nature of an NBA locker-room and would rather reduce it to middling cubicle/office-politics then we really have no place to go with this discussion.

Also, the main crux of my argument was grounded in NBA free agency. Of course players who are already on the same team are going to try to make things work. But, when players have the option to join/leave teams during free agency various data-points come into play when a player is weighing his options. The players that that player will be teamed up with is a likely factor.

you are contradicting yourself in the highlighted sentences.

as far as the "unique milieu" I will give you a brief insight to Navy life, the construction of the chain of command works like this: let's say you are in a destroyer, the CO is responsible for the whole crew, the structure of how he runs this is there are several dept. Combat Systems, engineering, Operations, weapons, and supply. each dept has divisions. Combat systems has Combat Electronics, Under Water, and fire Control. each division has work centers. combat electronics has RADAR, COMMS, and Interior Communications. there about 6 to 10 people per work center and these people eat, work, sleep, poop, play, work out in the same rooms for six months at the time. so yeah the dynamics of living/working together is the same as a sports team or a rock band. at the end of their tour on that ship they weigh in weather they want to move to another state, overseas, or stay in the same city or even extend in their current command so as much as you think it is different it is not.



Saying one "really" doesn't have a choice means that there may indeed be a choice. "Really" is being used as a qualifier. No contradiction at all.
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Post#73 » by Beethoven » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:59 am

Lonzo will be so good we won't need a s.g. on the floor. 8-)
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Post#74 » by ROballer » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:22 am

I really don't give a **** about anyone has to say around here, Josh Hart should be the starter from DAY ONE.

He's by far the best fit and more complete two guard we have on our roster right now, when you value every aspect of the basketball game.
Nwaba plays defense, Clarkson plays offense, Hart does both. And he's the best shooter we have right now.
So are you a “3 and D” guy?
I don’t want to label myself that because I feel I bring so much more to the table than just sitting in the corner waiting to get the ball. I can create and do things off the dribble and be a playmaker. But if a team drafts me and tells me I’m a 3 and D guy, then that’s what I’ll be.


http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/06/josh-hart-says-hes-the-best-basketball-player-in-the-draft


Seems like a genuine nice guy, Clarkson can go back and **** some Jenners, while this guy does what he should on the basketball court, and makes a real impact.
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Post#75 » by markjay » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:11 pm

ROballer wrote:I really don't give a **** about anyone has to say around here, Josh Hart should be the starter from DAY ONE.

He's by far the best fit and more complete two guard we have on our roster right now, when you value every aspect of the basketball game.
Nwaba plays defense, Clarkson plays offense, Hart does both. And he's the best shooter we have right now.
So are you a “3 and D” guy?
I don’t want to label myself that because I feel I bring so much more to the table than just sitting in the corner waiting to get the ball. I can create and do things off the dribble and be a playmaker. But if a team drafts me and tells me I’m a 3 and D guy, then that’s what I’ll be.


http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/06/josh-hart-says-hes-the-best-basketball-player-in-the-draft


Seems like a genuine nice guy, Clarkson can go back and **** some Jenners, while this guy does what he should on the basketball court, and makes a real impact.


I agree. Unless we miraculously get PG, Josh Hart should start.
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Post#76 » by Jon Snow » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:17 pm

I think its PG if we strike a deal. But if we decide to play the waiting game, it should be an FA signing or Josh Hart with Clarkson getting the minutes.
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Post#77 » by dontforget » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:37 pm

Just noticed Nets declined their option on KJ McDaniels last year. I remember his name being floated around here a lot a couple years ago. Not sure about the fit as he can't shoot the 3 very well, but he's athletic, has good size, decent defender, and is still young. He could be a cheap option worth taking a flyer on.

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