Kristaps Porzingis E:60 Episode Discussion Thread (Sunday @ 9AM EST)

[Amsterdam]

Try this nonsense with another poster.

We are the only team that wants to run "pure" triangle sets as our basic offense. No other team in the NBA does so. Phil doesn't want a hybrid. He has shown that with the way he acts when they are not running the system HIS way.


*Can someone post that gif of Phil afer we won and he was mad about it?

Because when given freedom, both under Fisher and Hornacek the teams goe into 1 pass and shoot offense. The results were huge losing streaks.

Me? I applaud the move, hard, basic European basketball. If Melo doesn't agree to a stretch buyout nothing will. Jajaja

This post is incoherent.
What winning streaks have we gone on while running the offense Phil's way?

European basketball? What does that even mean? Phil wants to run post and mid-range heavy sets. That's the exact opposite of European style basketball.

When did they play Triangle? During Rambis' time? It was a complete mutiny by then.

Last year when Melo and KP were sitting out the last games, the team beat some playoff-bound type quality teams.

[Greenie]

Because when given freedom, both under Fisher and Hornacek the teams goe into 1 pass and shoot offense. The results were huge losing streaks.

Me? I applaud the move, hard, basic European basketball. If Melo doesn't agree to a stretch buyout nothing will. Jajaja

This post is incoherent.
What winning streaks have we gone on while running the offense Phil's way?

European basketball? What does that even mean? Phil wants to run post and mid-range heavy sets. That's the exact opposite of European style basketball.

When did they play Triangle? During Rambis' time? It was a complete mutiny by then.

Last year when Melo and KP were sitting out the last games, the team beat some playoff-bound type quality teams.

Fisher's first year. Rambis' time and the second half of this past year. Every time we looked like poop. The best we looked was under Fisher last year....that's probably why there was a so called "mutiny" when Fisher got canned for Rambis.

[Adelheid]

I totally agree. I'm willing to see how the triangle works for another season with players 100% bought in. I'm curious to see how we fare this season.

I wouldn't be expecting things to look all that great next year. I'd be happy if they just show improvement from the start of the season until the end and don't even need to see a lot of wins just improvement showing the players are getting it.

The Knicks need to play immensely improved defense and this draft was designed to address that glowing weakness only.
It explains why Phil had the team lean defense when deciding between Monk, DSJ and Ntilikina.

What is suprising is how Thibs couldn't get the Wolves committed to playing defense. Jimmy Butler will help them alot.

Ron Adams is not in Minny; he is in GSW AFAIK. Adams = Thibs' buddy/best asst coach

[mattkabara]

This post is incoherent.
What winning streaks have we gone on while running the offense Phil's way?

European basketball? What does that even mean? Phil wants to run post and mid-range heavy sets. That's the exact opposite of European style basketball.

When did they play Triangle? During Rambis' time? It was a complete mutiny by then.

Last year when Melo and KP were sitting out the last games, the team beat some playoff-bound type quality teams.

Fisher's first year. Rambis' time and the second half of this past year. Every time we looked like poop. The best we looked was under Fisher last year....that's probably why there was a so called "mutiny" when Fisher got canned for Rambis.

We looked good under Fisher for a very short period, and then went into a freefall which led to him being fired. We sucked, this board wanted him fired, the media was killing him, and as soon as he got fired they changed the narrative to "he got fired for not running the triangle."

I don't love the obsession with the triangle, but the last 2 years we only switched to "pure" triangle once we were all but eliminated while running what Fisher and Hornacek wanted to run. Triangle hasn't been the problem.

[seren]

KP is being stupid. If you want a trade, fine. Go ask the management. You can't have this passive aggressive attitude. Man up. Whatever you want, speak up. This is not one botched exit interview. It is the aftermath. KP has no excuse not contacting the coach since then at the very least.

If this is due to Melo situation, it is even more stupid IMO. Someone needs to it down and explain KP that Melo is not that innocent. He ran his teammates out (remember Lin and his "outrageous" contract, how about the reports stating Melo wouldn't extend if Tyson was still with the team) as well as a coach who is winning in Houston now. Melo doesn't care about KP. Melo cares about Melo.

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[Jay10]

Free agents weren't giving the Knicks the time of day way before Phil even got here. He obviously hasn't made it better but it wasn't close to being good before him. As soon as we start winning games and we show we have some good young talent and the drama stays away for a season is when free agents will again start looking at coming to the Knicks.

My biggest worry is exactly what S.Bondy said in an article he put out which is what kind of team will we have when Phil leaves? The worry is if we only have players that are looked at as only being good for the triangle type system then what's gonna happen in two years when Phil leaves and whoever takes over wants to go to being the run and gun/pick and roll offense that most of the other teams are running? What i would push for is getting David Blatt to come coach the team Phil leaves us with who's the guy i wanted over Hornachek and all the other guys that were being mentioned for the job before JH got it. Blatt has won championships over in europe with the types of players that Phil is putting on the Knicks so i can't think of many other coaches being a better fit over D.Blatt.

Triangle offense = fundamental basketball; player and ball movement.

It is no different than what the Spurs or the Warriors do.

If a player is complaining about running the triangle offense/motion offense, it is because their field goal attempts are now being distributed amongst their teammates, which they may think will end up costing them money when they become free agents.

The problem isn't the coach or the offense; the problem is the player(s) making the most money not wanting to conform.

No.

Players contracts are guaranteed. The highest paid player on this team is already making his money and if entering the downside of his career. Melo is never seeing another max contract period. So your theory has holes in it.

He's already signed.
He's making his money.
He's actually one of the few who knows how to run the system.


This theory is better served to the one player that was contract hunting...

and even so, that's just one player. There is more to it.

If your best player buys into the offense, his teammates have no choice but to do the same.

example: Lebron didn't buy into what Blatt wanted, and his teammates followed their "leader" in doing the same.

[Amsterdam]

This post is incoherent.
What winning streaks have we gone on while running the offense Phil's way?

European basketball? What does that even mean? Phil wants to run post and mid-range heavy sets. That's the exact opposite of European style basketball.

When did they play Triangle? During Rambis' time? It was a complete mutiny by then.

Last year when Melo and KP were sitting out the last games, the team beat some playoff-bound type quality teams.

Fisher's first year. Rambis' time and the second half of this past year. Every time we looked like poop. The best we looked was under Fisher last year....that's probably why there was a so called "mutiny" when Fisher got canned for Rambis.

Mutiny for what, cause Fisher was let go? Started by whom? KP? Highly doubt it. Robin Lopez?

The team is now fun to watch without Melo, to me, whether Hornacek.s or Phil's system.

[Greenie]

When did they play Triangle? During Rambis' time? It was a complete mutiny by then.

Last year when Melo and KP were sitting out the last games, the team beat some playoff-bound type quality teams.

Fisher's first year. Rambis' time and the second half of this past year. Every time we looked like poop. The best we looked was under Fisher last year....that's probably why there was a so called "mutiny" when Fisher got canned for Rambis.

Mutiny for what, cause Fisher was let go? Started by whom? KP? Highly doubt it. Robin Lopez?

The team is now fun to watch without Melo, to me, whether Hornacek.s or Phil's system.

Not to me and plenty of others.
The team is out talented every game without Melo and that sucks.

[Amsterdam]

Fisher's first year. Rambis' time and the second half of this past year. Every time we looked like poop. The best we looked was under Fisher last year....that's probably why there was a so called "mutiny" when Fisher got canned for Rambis.

Mutiny for what, cause Fisher was let go? Started by whom? KP? Highly doubt it. Robin Lopez?

The team is now fun to watch without Melo, to me, whether Hornacek.s or Phil's system.

Not to me and plenty of others.
The team is out talented every game without Melo and that sucks.

Yes it does suck. Melo is a pure talent and if by chance he gets brought out and Cavs sign him for the minimum. Then they go out and trade for PG13, they would be the prohibitive favorite to detrone GS.

But here we should be rebooting completely regardless of costs. Cause it will just be a huge storyline all year long.

[Sark]

The funny thing is when BOTH Fisher and Hornecek ran hybrid versions we had more success evident by our winning records up till that point. It was Phil whining about his pure triangle. Remember him frowning at a damn win while Bill was cheering next to him?

FOH Phil!

The Knicks ran Jeff's system for a long time with very little if any triangle. It worked INITIALLY, but then the team collapsed for months. When the team struggled the thought wasn't to go back to the triangle. They continued to run Jeff's system while trying to improve the defense. They didn't start running pure triangle into the last month of the season...which was arguably the best part of the season.

No it wasn't...

The best part of the season was the beginning. We were a decent little squad.

Every objective observer said the Knicks were not as good as their record, and that the losses would begin to pile up. Or as you like to call them, "haters".

[newyorker4ever]

I totally agree. I'm willing to see how the triangle works for another season with players 100% bought in. I'm curious to see how we fare this season.

I wouldn't be expecting things to look all that great next year. I'd be happy if they just show improvement from the start of the season until the end and don't even need to see a lot of wins just improvement showing the players are getting it.

The Knicks need to play immensely improved defense and this draft was designed to address that glowing weakness only.
It explains why Phil had the team lean defense when deciding between Monk, DSJ and Ntilikina.

What is suprising is how Thibs couldn't get the Wolves committed to playing defense. Jimmy Butler will help them alot.

We drafted a good defender with our 8th pick but we have a long way to go before we're considered a good defensive team. D.Dotson is not a good defender so it's not like our total focus in the draft was on defense or they would of drafted S.Thornwell or any of the other defensive guards that were still sitting there at #44. Franky will definitely help though.

[newyorker4ever]

Triangle offense = fundamental basketball; player and ball movement.

It is no different than what the Spurs or the Warriors do.

If a player is complaining about running the triangle offense/motion offense, it is because their field goal attempts are now being distributed amongst their teammates, which they may think will end up costing them money when they become free agents.

The problem isn't the coach or the offense; the problem is the player(s) making the most money not wanting to conform.

No.

Players contracts are guaranteed. The highest paid player on this team is already making his money and if entering the downside of his career. Melo is never seeing another max contract period. So your theory has holes in it.

He's already signed.
He's making his money.
He's actually one of the few who knows how to run the system.


This theory is better served to the one player that was contract hunting...

and even so, that's just one player. There is more to it.

If your best player buys into the offense, his teammates have no choice but to do the same.

example: Lebron didn't buy into what Blatt wanted, and his teammates followed their "leader" in doing the same.

I don't think D.Blatt got enough of a chance in Clev before Lebron was ready to run him out of town. Blatt was going through the hard part of having to coach a team that was basically just put together so there's always gonna be growing pains and if they would of just gave him more of a chance they would have been just fine and most likely would of still won the championship...IMO.

I absolutely agree with you that the players have to buy into what the coach is coaching and if they don't it won't end up in a good situation. This is one of the biggest reasons why Melo needs to go so we can just give Hornachek the young guys that can buy in and learn together.

[HarthorneWingo]

Lavar Small.

Very handsome fella...

Not after I get done with him.

[Louielou]

Nows your time to get phil fired. Do us proud KP

yeah man Phil came in here and reversed 15 years of excellent work by this organization. What is he thinking keeping all our picks and drafting exciting young players like KP, Frank and Willy. I miss the days where we were trading unprotected 1st for Tmac and Bargs and our GM was going to court for a sexual harassment case. That's nothing compared to sending stupid tweets. Can't wait to fire him and get back to the good old days.

OMG he didn't trade any first round picks!! He should executive of the year for that! I swear some of you guys are suffering from some sort of trauma. It's like the woman who praises her verbally abusive husband because of the fact that he doesn't put his hands on her.

[KayCSmooth]

KP is being stupid. If you want a trade, fine. Go ask the management. You can't have this passive aggressive attitude. Man up. Whatever you want, speak up. This is not one botched exit interview. It is the aftermath. KP has no excuse not contacting the coach since then at the very least.

If this is due to Melo situation, it is even more stupid IMO. Someone needs to it down and explain KP that Melo is not that innocent. He ran his teammates out (remember Lin and his "outrageous" contract, how about the reports stating Melo wouldn't extend if Tyson was still with the team) as well as a coach who is winning in Houston now. Melo doesn't care about KP. Melo cares about Melo.

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I agree KP messed up. Im sure his brothers were in his ear telling him to skip the meeting too. He's gotta learn that here in the USA(even the NBA), you show up to meetings don't matter how much you hate your boss don't matter how badly you think he's running things, or how badly you feel he's treating your coworkers. You man up, show up, look him in the eye, and talk about it. KP is a smart kid though, I'm sure he regrets it. Sometimes that's the problem of having certain people around you(family or friends) that kind of enable you. Not saying that's what happened, just speaking in general.

[seren]

KP is being stupid. If you want a trade, fine. Go ask the management. You can't have this passive aggressive attitude. Man up. Whatever you want, speak up. This is not one botched exit interview. It is the aftermath. KP has no excuse not contacting the coach since then at the very least.

If this is due to Melo situation, it is even more stupid IMO. Someone needs to it down and explain KP that Melo is not that innocent. He ran his teammates out (remember Lin and his "outrageous" contract, how about the reports stating Melo wouldn't extend if Tyson was still with the team) as well as a coach who is winning in Houston now. Melo doesn't care about KP. Melo cares about Melo.

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I agree KP messed up. Im sure his brothers were in his ear telling him to skip the meeting too. He's gotta learn that here in the USA(even the NBA), you show up to meetings don't matter how much you hate your boss don't matter how badly you think he's running things, or how badly you feel he's treating your coworkers. You man up, show up, look him in the eye, and talk about it. KP is a smart kid though, I'm sure he regrets it. Sometimes that's the problem of having certain people around you(family or friends) that kind of enable you. Not saying that's what happened, just speaking in general.

If he regrets it, he needs to do something about it. Start with immediately contacting your coach and president. Start using the dam Twitter to promote your new teammates. Show up at the summer league. Give some interviews claiming everything is overblown and there is simply a misunderstanding.

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[shtolky]

Nows your time to get phil fired. Do us proud KP

yeah man Phil came in here and reversed 15 years of excellent work by this organization. What is he thinking keeping all our picks and drafting exciting young players like KP, Frank and Willy. I miss the days where we were trading unprotected 1st for Tmac and Bargs and our GM was going to court for a sexual harassment case. That's nothing compared to sending stupid tweets. Can't wait to fire him and get back to the good old days.

OMG he didn't trade any first round picks!! He should executive of the year for that! I swear some of you guys are suffering from some sort of trauma. It's like the woman who praises her verbally abusive husband because of the fact that he doesn't put his hands on her.

Here is the problem with your sarcasm though. When people are claiming, insanely I might add, that Phil isn't doing as good of a job as Isiah and Grunwald, stating that Phil hasn't traded away picks is absolutely something that needs to be mentioned (forget the fact that his two best moves involve the draft). KP and Willy are EASILY the two best draft moves we've made in decades. It's sort of like folding in poker. Not everyone has the discipline to do so. Now...don't get me wrong, I am not giving Phil a pass (it isn't simply Phil lovers vs. Phil haters), but we just spent a week going apes*it over possibly dealing away the guy HE took in 2015, a guy who was almost booed out of Barclays. Phil's worst move of signing Noah doesn't come CLOSE to the disgusting moves of trading Bargnani for an unprotected 1st round pick, or trading away MULTIPLE assets to trade and sign Eddy Curry.

[levendis]

yeah man Phil came in here and reversed 15 years of excellent work by this organization. What is he thinking keeping all our picks and drafting exciting young players like KP, Frank and Willy. I miss the days where we were trading unprotected 1st for Tmac and Bargs and our GM was going to court for a sexual harassment case. That's nothing compared to sending stupid tweets. Can't wait to fire him and get back to the good old days.

OMG he didn't trade any first round picks!! He should executive of the year for that! I swear some of you guys are suffering from some sort of trauma. It's like the woman who praises her verbally abusive husband because of the fact that he doesn't put his hands on her.

Here is the problem with your sarcasm though. When people are claiming, insanely I might add, that Phil isn't doing as good of a job as Isiah and Grunwald, stating that Phil hasn't traded away picks is absolutely something that needs to be mentioned (forget the fact that his two best moves involve the draft). KP and Willy are EASILY the two best draft moves we've made in decades. It's sort of like folding in poker. Not everyone has the discipline to do so. Now...don't get me wrong, I am not giving Phil a pass (it isn't simply Phil lovers vs. Phil haters), but we just spent a week going apes*it over possibly dealing away the guy HE took in 2015, a guy who was almost booed out of Barclays. Phil's worst move of signing Noah doesn't come CLOSE to the disgusting moves of trading Bargnani for an unprotected 1st round pick, or trading away MULTIPLE assets to trade and sign Eddy Curry.

Thank you. People are acting like not trading away 1sts and hitting on some picks isn't a big deal because that's what a competent executive is supposed to do. They ignore the fact that it's the exact opposite of what the organization has been doing for over a decade.

[Greenie]

Nows your time to get phil fired. Do us proud KP

yeah man Phil came in here and reversed 15 years of excellent work by this organization. What is he thinking keeping all our picks and drafting exciting young players like KP, Frank and Willy. I miss the days where we were trading unprotected 1st for Tmac and Bargs and our GM was going to court for a sexual harassment case. That's nothing compared to sending stupid tweets. Can't wait to fire him and get back to the good old days.

OMG he didn't trade any first round picks!! He should executive of the year for that! I swear some of you guys are suffering from some sort of trauma. It's like the woman who praises her verbally abusive husband because of the fact that he doesn't put his hands on her.

I say the same thing.

[3toheadmelo]

yeah man Phil came in here and reversed 15 years of excellent work by this organization. What is he thinking keeping all our picks and drafting exciting young players like KP, Frank and Willy. I miss the days where we were trading unprotected 1st for Tmac and Bargs and our GM was going to court for a sexual harassment case. That's nothing compared to sending stupid tweets. Can't wait to fire him and get back to the good old days.

OMG he didn't trade any first round picks!! He should executive of the year for that! I swear some of you guys are suffering from some sort of trauma. It's like the woman who praises her verbally abusive husband because of the fact that he doesn't put his hands on her.

I say the same thing.

should we hang phil's jersey in the rafters for not trading a first round pick?