Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central

[batterybro42]

Part of me thinks that the Lebron divorce hurt Riley and he's been healed somewhat by the chemistry of the FAs we added last off season. He's said resigning them is a win. I think he's doing it for the feels this off season.

That would be a horrible strategy...

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Being completely honest I enjoyed the back half of 2017 more than any Heat team ever. Those guys played together, for eachother, with amazing heart. It was the embodiment of everything Miami Heat. I didn't want last year to end, and I would not be upset in the least to see the same team back this year.

Lets get into the real grimy, dirty, Miami Heat basketball I grew up watching. We may not have the flash of the Big 3 era team, or the stars that were Shaq and Wade, but there is sometching to be said for a group of guys who enjoy eachother and will fight to the end for the their teammates.

Last years team holds a special place in my heart, and I really believe with another year, and without the hole Winslow ball dug them into, they could be a serious contender

Our current squad reminds me of those 90s Heat teams with Dragic reminiscent of Hardaway and Whiteside being the new Zo. If you grew up watching Heat basketball, those classic Knicks series, then you know the basis of Riley/Heat culture. I think if Pat goes out he may want to go out swinging with a group like this.

[DayofMourning]

Part of me thinks that the Lebron divorce hurt Riley and he's been healed somewhat by the chemistry of the FAs we added last off season. He's said resigning them is a win. I think he's doing it for the feels this off season.

I agree. Feel like he wants to show loyalty to the players who bought into the culture. The team really does feel like a family. I think Riley is no doubt cherishing the chemistry.

Pray that Riles feels doesn't cloud cap numbers... JJ/Dion are nice players but over paying/lengthy contracts are my biggest fears. Gonna be an interesting 1st of July all the same....


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I'm not sure where we are going but Riley did state he'd roll with JJ and Dion if they allowed him to financially. Not franchise altering players but they're about to eat up our third highest cap space in the NBA.

I love the way the team responded after the midway point, so I'm ready to see what they can do for a full season. Hopefully Winslow with a jumper and Bam make a big impact.

[Bishop45]

If we even have enough cap, which front court players to add or re-sign? SF & PF or C

Warming up to Bam but he can't pass, shoot, or dribble (Likely), I don't think he's playing PF. Like UD, who wouldn't see the court as a PF unless mass injury.

And if we go for SF, who's out between Rich and McGruder

Feeling more likely that we just re-sign everybody and let Babbit-McBob, Rich-McGruder duke it out for loose positions and just try to improve at trade deadline after the dust settles unless FO just says F it and goes all-in on a big FA

[Bishop45]

I agree. Feel like he wants to show loyalty to the players who bought into the culture. The team really does feel like a family. I think Riley is no doubt cherishing the chemistry.

Pray that Riles feels doesn't cloud cap numbers... JJ/Dion are nice players but over paying/lengthy contracts are my biggest fears. Gonna be an interesting 1st of July all the same....


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I'm not sure where we are going but Riley did state he'd roll with JJ and Dion if they allowed him to financially. Not franchise altering players but they're about to eat up our third highest cap space in the NBA.

I love the way the team responded after the midway point, so I'm ready to see what they can do for a full season. Hopefully Winslow with a jumper and Bam make a big impact.

Yea', unless some in-trading happens or we get a chance at a big FA, likely we just run it back and see where the team stands afterwards

[HeatFanLifer]

If we even have enough cap, which front court players to add or re-sign? SF & PF or C



Feeling more likely that we just re-sign everybody and let Babbit-McBob, Rich-McGruder duke it out for loose positions and just try to improve at trade deadline after the dust settles unless FO just says F it and goes all-in on a big FA

I say re-sign everyone if their contracts are reasonable (UD, Waiters, Babbit, Reed, JJ.) With the CBA, it's almost impossible to sign a big name FA unless it's a sign and trade. Such sign and trades would be very difficult to make happen without any players to trade.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we even have enough cap, which front court players to add or re-sign? SF & PF or C

Warming up to Bam but he can't pass, shoot, or dribble (Likely), I don't think he's playing PF. Like UD, who wouldn't see the court as a PF unless mass injury.

And if we go for SF, who's out between Rich and McGruder

Feeling more likely that we just re-sign everybody and let Babbit-McBob, Rich-McGruder duke it out for loose positions and just try to improve at trade deadline after the dust settles unless FO just says F it and goes all-in on a big FA

I'm thinking we try to sign everybody. Even Willie Reed and Babbit. Also all indications point to Bam playing plenty of PF. If you remember UD was a power forward when he actually had some bounce. UD is placed at Center today because he's too damn slow and offensively challenged to play the PF spot. The only thing UD has going for him as a Center is his old man strength to keep other teams bigs honest. He also still sets a helluva screen. The team wants Bam to succeed as a PF.

He will also see plenty of small ball center but the ultimate goal is PF of the future. In order to bring him along slowly it's perfect to sign JJ and Babbit. Let Bam work for it. We played very well with Babbit and JJ at the 4. Very underrated duo and Babbit was perfect for the starting lineup as a one trick three point pony. Now with Winslow coming back i think it's even more important to have a Babbit type shooter at the 4 unless Winslow shows us something different with his shot. Having Winslow back definitely counterbalances Babbit's inefficiencies on D but Babbit fights at very least on D and probably even played the best try defense of his career.

My best guess with McRoberts is he's not going to be part of the opening day roster this year. I think we seek a trade attaching him with a young asset like J Rich or stretch him out for the extra cap space. As for Ellington from the looks of it and what he's said to the media recently it's as if Riley already told him they are going to pick up his option or at least renegotiate.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we reup Ellington's contract I see a trade coming. J Rich is the most likely to be dealt. We already have a similar perimeter defender in McGruder who comes at a much cheaper price. J Rich will be heading into his restricted free agency year.

[HeatIn5]

Is there any way possible to bring back JJ/Dion while signing Hayward? If we wanted to bring back Ellington and Reed Im assuming that we would have to opt out of Waynes deal and give them each part of our exceptions.

Damn, if it were somehow possible to have this as a team, we would be gearing up for a serious run.

Dragic/TJ
Waiters/Ellington/Richardson
Hayward/McGruder/Winslow
Bam/JJ/McBob
Hassan/Reed/Haslem

1 spot for Okaro or a SL player like Matt Williams.

However, I think it is more likely that we only are able to afford 2 of Hayward/JJ/Waiters.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Is there any way possible to bring back JJ/Dion while signing Hayward? If we wanted to bring back Ellington and Reed Im assuming that we would have to opt out of Waynes deal and give them each part of our exceptions.

Damn, if it were somehow possible to have this as a team, we would be gearing up for a serious run.

Dragic/TJ
Waiters/Ellington/Richardson
Hayward/McGruder/Winslow
Bam/JJ/McBob
Hassan/Reed/Haslem

1 spot for Okaro or a SL player like Matt Williams.

However, I think it is more likely that we only are able to afford 2 of Hayward/JJ/Waiters.

No i don't think it's possible. Not if Riley is trying to be fair to both Dion and JJ. I also don't see Hayward taking a pay cut to see that happen.

[Bishop45]

Very interested to see if we do intend to play Bam as a PF, don't think I remember hearing as much as that from introductory interviews. Draft him to play PF when he played 100% Center in College and can't pass/dribble/shoot, idk. Hard for me to believe that was the selling point in drafting him

[MettaWorldPanda]

Very interested to see if we do intend to play Bam as a PF, don't think I remember hearing as much as that from introductory interviews. Draft him to play PF when he played 100% Center in College and can't pass/dribble/shoot, idk. Hard for me to believe that was the selling point in drafting him

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-20170625-story.html

“We love the versatility he brings, and you can define versatility in so many different ways and I think that's where sometimes the narrative gets a little bit lost or lazy,” Spoelstra said. “People think the league is only going to three-point shooting. It will still always be about the paint. It will always be about the rim and there's two sides of the floor.

“So you need the versatility to be able to defend out on the floor. You need guys that can defend multiple positions. I'm still stunned by a young man this large and athletic and explosive that can move his feet and be that light on the ground. We think that fits to our defensive system, our style. And the way the league is going you need guys that can show that kind of quickness.”

While most of the nation was fixated on the 3-point shooting of Golden State's Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson during the NBA Finals, Spoelstra said a deeper inspection of that series showed the possibilities of athleticism in any form.

“We think he fits with the way the league is going,” Spoelstra said. “Just look at the Finals. You saw guys of his athleticism out there running around and making plays at the highest

http://heatzone.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2017/06/23/2017-nba-draft-what-does-the-addition-of-bam-adebayo-mean-for-the-rest-of-the-heats-roster/

Adedayo is projected as a power forward in the NBA, but he has the size to get minutes at power forward and center. The 6-foot-10, 243-pound Adebayo has a 7-foot-3 wingspan and above average athleticism, and should be able to contribute immediately as a rim protector, versatile defender who can switch on perimeter players and rebounder.

[Bishop45]

Very interested to see if we do intend to play Bam as a PF, don't think I remember hearing as much as that from introductory interviews. Draft him to play PF when he played 100% Center in College and can't pass/dribble/shoot, idk. Hard for me to believe that was the selling point in drafting him

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-20170625-story.html

“We love the versatility he brings, and you can define versatility in so many different ways and I think that's where sometimes the narrative gets a little bit lost or lazy,” Spoelstra said. “People think the league is only going to three-point shooting. It will still always be about the paint. It will always be about the rim and there's two sides of the floor.

“So you need the versatility to be able to defend out on the floor. You need guys that can defend multiple positions. I'm still stunned by a young man this large and athletic and explosive that can move his feet and be that light on the ground. We think that fits to our defensive system, our style. And the way the league is going you need guys that can show that kind of quickness.”

While most of the nation was fixated on the 3-point shooting of Golden State's Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson during the NBA Finals, Spoelstra said a deeper inspection of that series showed the possibilities of athleticism in any form.

“We think he fits with the way the league is going,” Spoelstra said. “Just look at the Finals. You saw guys of his athleticism out there running around and making plays at the highest

I have seen this, I interpret it as him being a versatile 5. Not sure I can believe we scouted him last year with the belief he can up and play the 4. Type of versatility Tristan Thompson brings in a 3-pt centric league is a great example of how he can attribute. He and Whiteside could make us a real threat on the boards and he could fill in, in match-ups, where Whiteside can't stay on the floor

[MettaWorldPanda]

Very interested to see if we do intend to play Bam as a PF, don't think I remember hearing as much as that from introductory interviews. Draft him to play PF when he played 100% Center in College and can't pass/dribble/shoot, idk. Hard for me to believe that was the selling point in drafting him

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-20170625-story.html

“We love the versatility he brings, and you can define versatility in so many different ways and I think that's where sometimes the narrative gets a little bit lost or lazy,” Spoelstra said. “People think the league is only going to three-point shooting. It will still always be about the paint. It will always be about the rim and there's two sides of the floor.

“So you need the versatility to be able to defend out on the floor. You need guys that can defend multiple positions. I'm still stunned by a young man this large and athletic and explosive that can move his feet and be that light on the ground. We think that fits to our defensive system, our style. And the way the league is going you need guys that can show that kind of quickness.”

While most of the nation was fixated on the 3-point shooting of Golden State's Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson during the NBA Finals, Spoelstra said a deeper inspection of that series showed the possibilities of athleticism in any form.

“We think he fits with the way the league is going,” Spoelstra said. “Just look at the Finals. You saw guys of his athleticism out there running around and making plays at the highest

I have seen this, I interpret it as him being a versatile 5. Not sure I can believe we scouted him last year with the belief he can up and play the 4. Type of versatility Tristan Thompson brings in a 3-pt centric league is a great example of how he can attribute. He and Whiteside could make us a real threat on the boards and he could fill in, in match-ups, where Whiteside can't stay on the floor

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Kentucky sports beat also saying Bam as PF Bish. 1:56 he discusses Bam as PF and how it's a perfect and his natural position (2:19)

[Bishop45]

http://heatzone.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2017/06/23/2017-nba-draft-what-does-the-addition-of-bam-adebayo-mean-for-the-rest-of-the-heats-roster/

Adedayo is projected as a power forward in the NBA, but he has the size to get minutes at power forward and center. The 6-foot-10, 243-pound Adebayo has a 7-foot-3 wingspan and above average athleticism, and should be able to contribute immediately as a rim protector, versatile defender who can switch on perimeter players and rebounder.

Not a quote from us and projected doesn't mean he will play that. Like TT's projected a PF but won't start on most teams as that, much more valuable C

[twix2500]

He gonna play PF and Center bish.

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[Bishop45]

He gonna play PF and Center bish.

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If that's to happen, then a C that plays PF (Barely ever happens) than a PF that plays C (James Johnson, Karl Towns)

[Mars]

Not a quote from us and projected doesn't mean he will play that. Like TT's projected a PF but won't start on most teams as that, much more valuable C

If that's to happen, then a C that plays PF (Barely ever happens) than a PF that plays C (James Johnson, Karl Towns)

Pretty predictably, even if they already know, Riley and Spo refuse to specify exactly where Bam will play. They simply keep pointing out his versatility while saying he was drafted because the team was "lacking depth in the front court", which we know consists of small forward, power forward and center.

If Riley and Spo were projecting Bam exclusively at center, they could have easily said "the team is lacking depth at center". They've never identified Justise solely as a small forward, Rich as a shooting guard or Tyler as a point guard either because they pride themselves on having players who are interchangeable.

JJ just had the best season of his career because Spo decided to utilize him as a gumbo point-forward-center hybrid.

It's pretty fair to assume Bam will play minutes at both power forward and center. Particularly after Riley made sure to inform reporters, during his draft night press conference, that Bam hit 30 of 50 threes at the team workout, which even Calipari promises he has in his game...

“Right now everybody is stunned at how Bam shoots the ball,” he said. “I must have had 10 calls. Like, ‘I didn’t realize he shot the ball this way.’ But they also didn’t realize Karl shot the ball that way and you also didn’t realize that Anthony shot the ball the way he does. And so you would think following this thing how we do it, they all have to share, they all have to give up something to each other to be able to do what they’re doing here.”

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..If Bam is able to shoot jumpers with enough consistency to keep defenses honest, he'll absolutely get minutes on the floor with Hassan this season.

[MettaWorldPanda]

We need to sign or trade for a third PG. A legit pass first PG who can break down a defense. It was terrible last year when Goran would get banged up and we had no other legit pure PG on the roster. TJ is coming along but his best position is still SG. He played so well when he was paired with Dragic and when Waiters would take over ball handling.

[Wiltside]

Just bring back Shabazz for a little backup PG time

[Bishop45]

Not a quote from us and projected doesn't mean he will play that. Like TT's projected a PF but won't start on most teams as that, much more valuable C

If that's to happen, then a C that plays PF (Barely ever happens) than a PF that plays C (James Johnson, Karl Towns)

Pretty predictably, even if they already know, Riley and Spo refuse to specify exactly where Bam will play. They simply keep pointing out his versatility while saying he was drafted because the team was "lacking depth in the front court", which we know consists of small forward, power forward and center.

If Riley and Spo were projecting Bam exclusively at center, they could have easily said "the team is lacking depth at center". They've never identified Justise solely as a small forward, Rich as a shooting guard or Tyler as a point guard either because they pride themselves on having players who are interchangeable.

JJ just had the best season of his career because Spo decided to utilize him as a gumbo point-forward-center hybrid.

It's pretty fair to assume Bam will play minutes at both power forward and center. Particularly after Riley made sure to inform reporters, during his draft night press conference, that Bam hit 30 of 50 threes at the team workout, which even Calipari promises he has in his game...

“Right now everybody is stunned at how Bam shoots the ball,” he said. “I must have had 10 calls. Like, ‘I didn’t realize he shot the ball this way.’ But they also didn’t realize Karl shot the ball that way and you also didn’t realize that Anthony shot the ball the way he does. And so you would think following this thing how we do it, they all have to share, they all have to give up something to each other to be able to do what they’re doing here.”

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..If Bam is able to shoot jumpers with enough consistency to keep defenses honest, he'll absolutely get minutes on the floor with Hassan this season.

The semantics are what they are but I'm saying that while they haven't said what position he will play, there is no way they watched him play last season and drafted him to play PF and based on his skillset I believe he's going to play Center. There's nothing wrong with that but that's JMO I know it's not something we're going to agree on. The shooting's encouraging for what the workout is worth but he doesn't have the skillset for a perimeter player.


You 'member? This was the last limited-skill big man that calipari suppressed.

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Averaging 2 3PA's a season and playing C (And he can actually dribble+shoot, although limited)