Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[enigmatics]

Knicks never coming off their asking price of Booker/JJ. No reason for them too either.

No FA's this year. Overachieve and look attractive to Cousins/Westbrook.

They are never coming to PHX.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If they can't find a trade partner I wonder if the suns would consider making knight a discounted buy out offer. Say they offer him something in the low to mid 30 millions with no offset language. Would knight bet on himself and go find a cheap 1 year contract this year on a team he can play and try to get amother decent contract next summer. If he plays well he'll come out ahead financially over the next 3 years.

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[dremill24]

By the way, with my Player comparison, Player A is our own Alex Len, and Player B is Greg Monroe, lol.

As for KP, no doubt we all would, but if it didnt get done before the trade (With #4 included), i dont see how it would get done now.

Wasn't the Knicks target JJ? We still have all the piece discussed pre-trade. Don't see why it should be ruled out now?

Theres some weird psychological thing that goes on. When its "#4," it can be had but only for a high price. As soon as we use it on a player, everyone becomes attached and somehow he has more value than 5 minutes before. Its kinda funny actually lol.

[AtheJ415]

Couldn't disagree more. Chriss and Bender project as good rim protectors, versatile defenders, and above average 3 point shooters.

They compensate for Blake's lack of blocks, allow the Suns to hide Blake on the worst defenders in the opposing front court, provide weak side rim protection when Blake gets switched onto smaller/quicker wings, and most importantly spread the floor and allow Blake to play as a point forward/center.

Griffin allows Watson/McD to institute a more positionless system now and that will be a huge benefit in developing our youth.

Chriss, Bender and Griffin all need to rebound at a higher rate, totally agree on that point.

Jordan and Blake do not pair well in today's NBA. I think it's the primary reason the Clips have underachieved.

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I would love to see Griffin on this team. Do you think he is worth a massive contract?

100%. This year and next are the time frame the suns have to sign a high priced free agent. Every year they wait another young player comes up for a massive pay increase and the flexibility they have created gets more limited.

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Not really. I don't anticipate Len getting a huge offer. Warren maybe, but overall as Dudley and Chandler come off the books in 2 years our cap space should be at its highest. That will be the time to offer FA's--right before Booker hits RFA.

[AtheJ415]

Len is sooooo underrated here. He is one of the best rim protecting bigs his age and under in the league. If he gets a huge offer I get moving on from him, but he is not somebody we should just move on from. His upside is still there and I think he can thrive in a more simplified role. For whatever reason, in the games when Tyson plays his numbers are awful. In the games when Tyson sat he broke out a bit.

In a world where Joel Embiid, Rudy Gobert, Kristaps Porzingis, Anthony Davis, and Myles Turner - all of whom do much more - exist?

Sure, Len gets blocks and "protects the rim" with 49.4% opponent FG%. Some exec is going to look at that and say "Why is no one talking about Alex Len? This kid is GREAT!" And then they'll offer him a huge contract and be pretty happy with it. Until they start seeing him on the floor and watching him make stupid-ass fouls and show off his brick-like hands and clink most of what should be money baskets of the back-iron. Then they'll say "****, we've been Mozgov'd!"

Not sure why those other franchise cornerstones somehow diminish Len. Outside of maybe, maybe Turner, the rest of those guys would be maxed out by the entire league and considered absolutely untradeable.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Chandler was averaging 5 points at Len's age.

The FO will have to make a value judgement of whether he has the 'big men develop later' gene.

[lilfishi22]

By the way, with my Player comparison, Player A is our own Alex Len, and Player B is Greg Monroe, lol.

As for KP, no doubt we all would, but if it didnt get done before the trade (With #4 included), i dont see how it would get done now.

Wasn't the Knicks target JJ? We still have all the piece discussed pre-trade. Don't see why it should be ruled out now?

Theres some weird psychological thing that goes on. When its "#4," it can be had but only for a high price. As soon as we use it on a player, everyone becomes attached and somehow he has more value than 5 minutes before. Its kinda funny actually lol.

I guess the difference being, pre-draft you don't know what happens with the draft order of the talent. I personally don't value JJ more than I did pre-draft and I still want KP as much as before, only difference being we now have in our hands what the Knicks want.

It makes sense to marginally increase the value of the player over the pick but not to the extent where we lowball Knicks.

[King4Day]

We should probably put the kibosh on any KP talks. No one here wants to trade Booker and now that we've drafted JJ, people are attached (including myself). We aren't getting him without giving up at least one of those 2 along with Chriss on top of other assets. Gotta give to get and we aren't giving.

[MathiasPW]

Chandler was averaging 5 points at Len's age.

The FO will have to make a value judgement of whether he has the 'big men develop later' gene.

In Len's real age or in Giraffe years? He is 2 Giraffe yers old, at most.

[BobbieL]

If they can't find a trade partner I wonder if the suns would consider making knight a discounted buy out offer. Say they offer him something in the low to mid 30 millions with no offset language. Would knight bet on himself and go find a cheap 1 year contract this year on a team he can play and try to get amother decent contract next summer. If he plays well he'll come out ahead financially over the next 3 years.

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If there is no viable trade - I say keep him and figure out a role, if there is one thing, that maximizes his skill set. Not sure what that would be at this point but see if can reclaim his value a bit

[BobbieL]

Chandler was averaging 5 points at Len's age.

The FO will have to make a value judgement of whether he has the 'big men develop later' gene.

\Maybe give Len a shorter deal - nothing long term that ties up the cap and just see if he can improve. Chandler is not getting better these last two years - at best he flat lines or slowly gets worse. Granted his defense wasn't as good as Len but he could rebound. I am sure there is a team out there that could use a good rebounder like him - just not sure who and not sure what contract would have to take back

[bwgood77]

Len's issue is he takes stupid shots and takes away shots away from better offensive players...

If he can simply play like Capela or McGee... It would be fine.. But he doesnt... He isnt bouncy enough. So he tries to contribute offensively by trying to score and he just clanks mid range shots or messes up close shots....

He averaged six shots a game.

[GetYourPHX]

Chandler was averaging 5 points at Len's age.

The FO will have to make a value judgement of whether he has the 'big men develop later' gene.

\Maybe give Len a shorter deal - nothing long term that ties up the cap and just see if he can improve. Chandler is not getting better these last two years - at best he flat lines or slowly gets worse. Granted his defense wasn't as good as Len but he could rebound. I am sure there is a team out there that could use a good rebounder like him - just not sure who and not sure what contract would have to take back

I think that 2 yrs/24 mil is a fine contract for Len. It's short enough that it's movable in any deal that might come up, and it won't kill long term flexibility.

[Kjdills13]

Trade
Booker
For
Porzinges

Trade warren , Bender and a first for Paul George

Sign Chris Paul

Paul
Jackson
George/duds
Porzinges / chriss
Chande/Len

3 all stars, the 4 pick in the draft, and Chris Paul's old pick and roll budy chandler

The core of those 3 are all young and is the type of team that can win it all in a few years with the length and versatile
boom

[NTB]

Trade
Booker
For
Porzinges

Trade warren , Bender and a first for Paul George

Chris Paul

Paul
Jackson
George
Porzinges
Chande/Len

Now we have a long versityle team... boom

Booker is our franchise player and he should be untouchable. In 2K, these moves are great but in reality there are more factors to consider.

[Kjdills13]

Trade
Booker
For
Porzinges

Trade warren , Bender and a first for Paul George

Chris Paul

Paul
Jackson
George
Porzinges
Chande/Len

Now we have a long versityle team... boom

Booker is our franchise player and he should be untouchable. In 2K, these moves are great but in reality there are more factors to consider.

People would have said the celtics getting KG and ray Allen was 2K

Gotta play a lil 2K

[NTB]

Trade
Booker
For
Porzinges

Trade warren , Bender and a first for Paul George

Chris Paul

Paul
Jackson
George
Porzinges
Chande/Len

Now we have a long versityle team... boom

Booker is our franchise player and he should be untouchable. In 2K, these moves are great but in reality there are more factors to consider.

People would have said the celtics getting KG and ray Allen was 2K

Gotta play a lil 2K

They didn't trade Pierce to get them though.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Len's issue is he takes stupid shots and takes away shots away from better offensive players...

If he can simply play like Capela or McGee... It would be fine.. But he doesnt... He isnt bouncy enough. So he tries to contribute offensively by trying to score and he just clanks mid range shots or messes up close shots....

He averaged six shots a game.

And if he came back he would probably be less involved offensively. I think they experimented with some things with Len because they were a bad team and wanted to give their former lotto pick every chance to see what he could do.

I think lens biggest problem is he simply doesn't have a natural feel for the game. Hes a little mechanical and sometimes that half a second of hesitation to think about what he has to do with the ball hurts him. But because of his sheer size and movement he has a place in the league and at the right price I'm cool bringing him back.

IMO the suns should be patient and let the center market play out. Be opportunistic if a trade comes available for an upgrade. If not then see what the market brings for Len and williams, if they sign reasonable offer sheets bring them back if they price out of their comfort zone then move on to someone like dedmond or a cheaper option.

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[jredsaz]

I would love to see Griffin on this team. Do you think he is worth a massive contract?

100%. This year and next are the time frame the suns have to sign a high priced free agent. Every year they wait another young player comes up for a massive pay increase and the flexibility they have created gets more limited.

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Not really. I don't anticipate Len getting a huge offer. Warren maybe, but overall as Dudley and Chandler come off the books in 2 years our cap space should be at its highest. That will be the time to offer FA's--right before Booker hits RFA.

Between Len, Warren, and Big Sauce Suns could easily be looking at $30-$35 million in salary. And if the Suns need to cut ties with a draft pick in order to clear up a cap hold and generate some cap space I would rather it be Len than anyone else.

Chandler and Dudley will be about $25 million off the books in 2 years but given the roster construction and rookie scale expirations I think you are wrong. They can come off the books but the Suns will not gain max space from it. Not even close if they plan on keeping Len, Warren, and Williams.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

100%. This year and next are the time frame the suns have to sign a high priced free agent. Every year they wait another young player comes up for a massive pay increase and the flexibility they have created gets more limited.

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Not really. I don't anticipate Len getting a huge offer. Warren maybe, but overall as Dudley and Chandler come off the books in 2 years our cap space should be at its highest. That will be the time to offer FA's--right before Booker hits RFA.

Between Len, Warren, and Big Sauce Suns could easily be looking at $30-$35 million in salary. And if the Suns need to cut ties with a draft pick in order to clear up a cap hold and generate some cap space I would rather it be Len than anyone else.

Chandler and Dudley will be about $25 million off the books in 2 years but given the roster construction and rookie scale expirations I think you are wrong. They can come off the books but the Suns will not gain max space from it. Not even close if they plan on keeping Len, Warren, and Williams.

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This is true and realistically unless Chandler is moved or the len and Williams contracts are super cheap there no way you bring both back. It simply doesn't make sense to pay much over the minimum for your 3rd string center whos not in the rotation.

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