The Pursuit of Paul George

TommyPoints · Post #1241 » by **TommyPoints** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:01 am

Unless I hear a report that PG comes out and says he doesn't want to play in Boston, I have to assume he is ours unless Ainge doesn't want to make the deal. Unless teams are conspiring to screw us I don't see a better possible offer being legit.

Sven · Post #1242 » by **Sven** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:02 am

Wouldn't it make a lot of sense to just S&T for Blake instead of trade for George? If Blake makes it clear to Doc he's not coming back and LAC re-signs CP3, wouldn't Doc want some guys like Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder to fire up the mid-seed in the west treadmill again? In that case we don't really have to ship out good picks like the LAL18/SAC19 for a guy like George. Same thing with Hayward, the Jazz aren't tanking if he leaves, wouldn't they want some players and middle-tier picks in return? Sign one outright, S&T for the other, and we might be able to actually rebound at an average rate.

Tai · Post #1243 » by **Tai** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:42 am

Sven wrote:Wouldn't it make a lot of sense to just S&T for Blake instead of trade for George? If Blake makes it clear to Doc he's not coming back and LAC re-signs CP3, wouldn't Doc want some guys like Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder to fire up the mid-seed in the west treadmill again? In that case we don't really have to ship out good picks like the LAL18/SAC19 for a guy like George. Same thing with Hayward, the Jazz aren't tanking if he leaves, wouldn't they want some players and middle-tier picks in return? Sign one outright, S&T for the other, and we might be able to actually rebound at an average rate.

If the Jazz want picks at all, wouldn't they possibly want the LAL18/SAC19 pick too?

Sven · Post #1244 » by **Sven** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:50 am

Tai wrote:
Sven wrote:Wouldn't it make a lot of sense to just S&T for Blake instead of trade for George? If Blake makes it clear to Doc he's not coming back and LAC re-signs CP3, wouldn't Doc want some guys like Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder to fire up the mid-seed in the west treadmill again? In that case we don't really have to ship out good picks like the LAL18/SAC19 for a guy like George. Same thing with Hayward, the Jazz aren't tanking if he leaves, wouldn't they want some players and middle-tier picks in return? Sign one outright, S&T for the other, and we might be able to actually rebound at an average rate.

If the Jazz want picks at all, wouldn't they possibly want the LAL18/SAC19 pick too?

I figure that they'd rather get something instead of him just leaving, considering he could sign in Miami for free. Wouldn't they just be inhibiting themselves if they demanded a high pick from us when they can get a decent return of good players and mid tier picks instead of nothing? Especially when we can pit an offer for LAC against our offer for the Jazz and pick whoever we want to sign and trade with. It's a different story if they have no use for a guy like Crowder, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, etc., but I feel as if in the wake of losing Griffin/Hayward, either team would want some of our players/contracts. This is assuming both players say, "Yeah we both want to sign, make it happen however you can make it happen," and there isn't any DeAndre Jordan-like craziness that occurs.

Edug27 · Post #1245 » by **Edug27** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:21 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Even if we brought the same team back from last year, we beat the Cavs. Might have done it this year if healthy.

Couldnt read any further. Just nonsense.

Last years Cavs team are the champs any other season. Just ran into a special GS team. Boston stood no chance... zero. Neither did any other team not residing in Oakland.

Don't care.

Life would have been pretty tit with a playoff draw that involved a Wiz team without Wall and a Cavs team without LeBron. Switch health situations in the Conference Finals and you have two different Finals teams, both likely winning in 5 games. Period. End of story. Memorize it. Recite it.

We had one legit bad loss vs the Cavs this year, rest were either with IT hurt or while missing both Horford and Crowder.

Heck are you talking about. A healthy Celtics team is still getting beat by 20+ each game by the Cavs in the playoffs. They were THAT good. And don't confuse regular season games with the playoffs man. We are more than a Paul George away from beating those guys.

Afam · Post #1246 » by **Afam** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:27 am

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As first reported by ESPN, the Cavs engaged the Nuggets as a possible third team to facilitate a trade for the All-Star George on draft night, but a source said the discussion was "nothing serious" and "very unlikely" to happen now.

Essentially, Cleveland was trying several avenues to corral the mix of high draft pick and young players the Pacers wanted for George, who informed them he will become a free agent and leave after next season.

The Nuggets had the No. 13 pick in Thursday's draft and traded it to Utah for Trey Lyles -- obviously giving up on getting Love, at least for the time being.

The Pacers obviously weren't interested in what the Nuggets could send them for George, and, according to The Vertical, engaged in serious talks with Boston during the draft about a possible deal.

Afam · Post #1247 » by **Afam** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:42 am

Literally The Celtics and Pacers could be picking 1,2 in the draft next season, and to think the pacers are thinking of or have thought about trading Paul George to the Cavaliers is befuddling. If not laughable.

righterwriter · Post #1248 » by **righterwriter** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:49 am

What's the C's offer for George exactly? Crowder, Bradley, and the LAC/NO 1st?

I don't think that's a good trade for a guy without an extension in place. I also think that adding another SF when you've got two young guys there already is a bit redundant, unless of course Ainge wants to really go for the gusto and start dealing young players for older ones to be able to field a legit contender now. I don't think he's ready to do that.

LarryBirdsFingr · Post #1249 » by **LarryBirdsFingr** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:15 am

Ball is in indianas court. Who knows if these other rumors are true, but if they are, you have to question the timing of when the other teams deals were being discussed. Was it before the draft or after? if they don't take the deal on the table which is reported to be the best, and keep messing around this deal is going to die. Doesn't look promising from what I've heard. Thats all it is.

Afam · Post #1250 » by **Afam** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:17 am

Rumored offer is
Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder. Both included in the deal to match Paul George salary.

Lakers pick Top 2-5 protected. Good pick.

Or Memphis pick which should be a good pick as well.

The pacers are just trying to be greedy wanting and expecting more from teams forgetting he said he longer wants to be on the team, and he could only be a rental. Even the Gm said recently they are a couple of deals they could have accepted but they don't want to do a bad deal.In my opinion,the pacers are just being greedy. The Celtics offer is good.

stitches · Post #1251 » by **stitches** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:17 am

Sven wrote:Wouldn't it make a lot of sense to just S&T for Blake instead of trade for George? If Blake makes it clear to Doc he's not coming back and LAC re-signs CP3, wouldn't Doc want some guys like Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder to fire up the mid-seed in the west treadmill again? In that case we don't really have to ship out good picks like the LAL18/SAC19 for a guy like George. Same thing with Hayward, the Jazz aren't tanking if he leaves, wouldn't they want some players and middle-tier picks in return? Sign one outright, S&T for the other, and we might be able to actually rebound at an average rate.

Sven wrote:
Tai wrote:
Sven wrote:Wouldn't it make a lot of sense to just S&T for Blake instead of trade for George? If Blake makes it clear to Doc he's not coming back and LAC re-signs CP3, wouldn't Doc want some guys like Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder to fire up the mid-seed in the west treadmill again? In that case we don't really have to ship out good picks like the LAL18/SAC19 for a guy like George. Same thing with Hayward, the Jazz aren't tanking if he leaves, wouldn't they want some players and middle-tier picks in return? Sign one outright, S&T for the other, and we might be able to actually rebound at an average rate.

If the Jazz want picks at all, wouldn't they possibly want the LAL18/SAC19 pick too?

I figure that they'd rather get something instead of him just leaving, considering he could sign in Miami for free. Wouldn't they just be inhibiting themselves if they demanded a high pick from us when they can get a decent return of good players and mid tier picks instead of nothing? Especially when we can pit an offer for LAC against our offer for the Jazz and pick whoever we want to sign and trade with. It's a different story if they have no use for a guy like Crowder, Bradley, Smart, Rozier, etc., but I feel as if in the wake of losing Griffin/Hayward, either team would want some of our players/contracts. This is assuming both players say, "Yeah we both want to sign, make it happen however you can make it happen," and there isn't any DeAndre Jordan-like craziness that occurs.

The only leverage Boston has is the ability to sign Hayward without S&T. If you need S&T in order to get Hayward, the Jazz have ZERO reason to do it. If you need S&T it means you cannot do it outright, which means you are eliminated from the Hayward sweepstakes and the Jazz are left with the commanding lead in pursuit of his signing(I don't buy the Miami BS for a second). If Boston needs S&T and I'm the Jazz, I cannot imagine a scenario where I agree to it. I'd just rather keep Hayward than accept the garbage package coming back.

LarryBirdsFingr · Post #1252 » by **LarryBirdsFingr** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:18 am

Afam wrote:Rumored offer is
Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder. Both included in the deal to match Paul George salary.

Lakers pick Top 2-5 protected. Good pick.

Or Memphis pick which should be a good pick as well.

The pacers are just trying to be greedy wanting and expecting more from teams forgetting he said he longer wants to be on the team, and he could only be a rental. Even the Gm said recently they are a couple of deals they could have accepted but they don't want to do a bad deal.In my opinion,the pacers are just being greedy. The Celtics offer is good.

I heard the deal is two picks and two players, one being the LA, the other is unknown.

reload141 · Post #1253 » by **reload141** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:24 am

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:
Afam wrote:Rumored offer is
Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder. Both included in the deal to match Paul George salary.

Lakers pick Top 2-5 protected. Good pick.

Or Memphis pick which should be a good pick as well.

The pacers are just trying to be greedy wanting and expecting more from teams forgetting he said he longer wants to be on the team, and he could only be a rental. Even the Gm said recently they are a couple of deals they could have accepted but they don't want to do a bad deal.In my opinion,the pacers are just being greedy. The Celtics offer is good.

I heard the deal is two picks and two players, one being the LA, the other is unknown.

Not a dead deal then?

Afam · Post #1254 » by **Afam** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:24 am

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:
Afam wrote:Rumored offer is
Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder. Both included in the deal to match Paul George salary.

Lakers pick Top 2-5 protected. Good pick.

Or Memphis pick which should be a good pick as well.

The pacers are just trying to be greedy wanting and expecting more from teams forgetting he said he longer wants to be on the team, and he could only be a rental. Even the Gm said recently they are a couple of deals they could have accepted but they don't want to do a bad deal.In my opinion,the pacers are just being greedy. The Celtics offer is good.

I heard the deal is two picks and two players, one being the LA, the other is unknown.

Unreal, and the Pacers haven't accepted the offer yet. What a joke. No wonder Paul George wants to leave that team. Poorly run organization.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1255 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:29 am

(FAKE) REPORT: Danny Ainge was spotted earlier today in front of Gordon Hayward's house. Hope he doesn't get fined for tampering.

Spoiler:

Afam · Post #1256 » by **Afam** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:29 am

Celtics really do have the best offer. This is not even me being a homer or a fan of the Celtics. That offer is even too much for a player on his last year of his contract. What are the pacers expecting, for the nets pick to be included in the deal too ? . What a joke.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1257 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:43 am

So if the current offer is something like Zeller, Crowder, 2018 BOS 1st, 2018 LAL 1st, I would much rather keep the Lakers/SAC pick and Crowder. Give them Tatum (as much as it pains me), filler, and 2019 LAC 1st instead.

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That Lakers pick could turn out to be gold in a draft loaded with bigs. And even if we don't get it next year, Kings will be baaaad for at least a couple of years. Jae is also more suited in a win-now scenario than the rook, esp on the defensive end covering both forward positions. Crowder and Smart would be the 6th and 7th man on a contender ala Livingston and Iggy.

Afam · Post #1258 » by **Afam** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:54 am

For the Celtics miss out on the Lakers pick, the Lakers would Have to either make the playoffs or win the lottery. Neither of those two things are happening.

Afam · Post #1259 » by **Afam** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:20 am

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tombattor · Post #1260 » by **tombattor** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:38 am

Afam wrote:For the Celtics miss out on the Lakers pick, the Lakers would Have to either make the playoffs or win the lottery. Neither of those two things are happening.

Or get the 6th pick.