official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[Knox]

this wasn't directed towards you

it's for the people that think melo absolutely sucks and needs to rot on the bench. that's laughable

I don't think we think Melo Sucks...Him rotting on the bench at his age can diminish his abilities to keep up with todays NBA. I felt that having him sit on a bench is a way of countering his NTC. Melo knows sitting on the bench for a season is the worst thing for his game. Just my thoughts

that's pretty stubborn to bench an all star because of his NTC..
how can phil give someone a NTC then try to force someone to leave?
does he know what an NTC is?

listen, if melo is staying, start him as usual. that's disrespectful to bench him because he wants to stay loyal to his team......

if they can't find a trade at all and still want him gone then just buy him out. don't freaking bench him. what does that accomplish?

I think it is disrespectful to bench him because he is ready for a team that needs to win. We are clearly rebuilding and we need to stay consistent with our plan. Melo can win games for us disrupting our tanking process. So It's more business then spite
Why get more W's then we need? Healthy Compromise would be him lifting his NTC so we can get a deal done. That or maybe expanding the teams he would be willing to lift his NTC for. Why not Pair Melo up with Butler in Minnesota ?? HE#$% send him to the BK Nets. But do a trade that is best for the Knicks not Melo

[BrOnXKing1]

all this moronic talk about buying out Melo is adding to the lack of urgency teams have to trade for him

I think once we get some free agency decisions underway - and specifically Paul - the melo interest will perk up

The biggest point is, why would Melo waive his no trade clause after Phil basically said he doesn't want him on the team. Melo and his agent are prob thinking either we stay with the knicks or get waived and goto the team of my choice. Phil needs to tell Melo we won't waive you under any circumstance.

[shtolky]

Phil really botched this terribly bad. By basically saying he doesn't want Melo on team, Melo and other teams have all the leverage. Why would Melo waive his no trade so his new team has to give up assets and take on his contract. Why not get waived, and go to the team of his choice and make the Knicks pay his contract.

The only two options I see are bring back a unhappy Melo or absorb his contract and waive him.

I mean the idea of waiving him is silly and I'm not sure why people think this is a possibility. Also, to your point about why would he go to a team that will give up assets, see his actions in 2011 with us. He could have signed with us that offseason but was concerned about the upcoming cba issues. I don't think he cares one bit about which assets would be leaving. Melo can't have it both ways. He claims he wants to win, so either he waives the NTC or he stays on a rebuilding team. If Melo wants to win, he does not have as much leverage as you think. I just don't think he cares about winning, he hasn't shown that during his career. I think the urgency is on Melo, not us...if he wants to win that is. If not, he will be gone even before our young kids hit their prime.

[Knox]

all this moronic talk about buying out Melo is adding to the lack of urgency teams have to trade for him

I think once we get some free agency decisions underway - and specifically Paul - the melo interest will perk up

The biggest point is, why would Melo waive his no trade clause after Phil basically said he doesn't want him on the team. Melo and his agent are prob thinking either we stay with the knicks or get waived and goto the team of my choice. Phil needs to tell Melo we won't waive you under any circumstance.

Now that I think about it why not send Melo / Rose to the T Wolves in a package deal ?

[BrOnXKing1]

Benching Melo would be very unhealthy for this team. He will go to the media and snipe at Jackson and the organization. It would be a circus with the new york media and harmful to the young players we have.

[3toheadmelo]

I don't think we think Melo Sucks...Him rotting on the bench at his age can diminish his abilities to keep up with todays NBA. I felt that having him sit on a bench is a way of countering his NTC. Melo knows sitting on the bench for a season is the worst thing for his game. Just my thoughts

that's pretty stubborn to bench an all star because of his NTC..
how can phil give someone a NTC then try to force someone to leave?
does he know what an NTC is?

listen, if melo is staying, start him as usual. that's disrespectful to bench him because he wants to stay loyal to his team......

if they can't find a trade at all and still want him gone then just buy him out. don't freaking bench him. what does that accomplish?

I think it is disrespectful to bench him because he is ready for a team that needs to win. We are clearly rebuilding and we need to stay consistent with our plan. Melo can win games for us disrupting our tanking process. So It's more business then spite
Why get more W's then we need? Healthy Compromise would be him lifting his NTC so we can get a deal done. That or maybe expanding the teams he would be willing to lift his NTC for. Why not Pair Melo up with Butler in Minnesota ?? HE#$% send him to the BK Nets. But do a trade that is best for the Knicks not Melo

the thing is i don't think phil is trying to actively rebuild. i think he's gonna try to make the playoffs with or without carmelo

honestly we would've had a deal done already if phil wasn't humilating him in public. all he had to do was go to him upfront and say " hey melo, this isn't working out, i think you would be better off somewhere" instead of calling him a loser in public... etc

read the quotes i posted just now. it's from executives around the league saying that phil hurt melo's value TREMENDOUSLY.

phil **** it up

[whocares1]

Melo shouldn't be benched he should be held accountable. If his effort isn't there he should be benched it's as simple as that. I think Phil is thinking with the notion that Melo is mentally checked out and would like to move him before he spreads it to others. You need everyone in the lockerroom to buy in and just one person can mess up the morale, especially if it's the best player on the team.

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sounds like Lee for Rubio could still be on the table and then minnesota signs Rose? I'm not sure Thibs gameplan here...

I don't think they would sign Rose considering Rose and Butler's relationship.

[Knox]

that's pretty stubborn to bench an all star because of his NTC..
how can phil give someone a NTC then try to force someone to leave?
does he know what an NTC is?

listen, if melo is staying, start him as usual. that's disrespectful to bench him because he wants to stay loyal to his team......

if they can't find a trade at all and still want him gone then just buy him out. don't freaking bench him. what does that accomplish?

I think it is disrespectful to bench him because he is ready for a team that needs to win. We are clearly rebuilding and we need to stay consistent with our plan. Melo can win games for us disrupting our tanking process. So It's more business then spite
Why get more W's then we need? Healthy Compromise would be him lifting his NTC so we can get a deal done. That or maybe expanding the teams he would be willing to lift his NTC for. Why not Pair Melo up with Butler in Minnesota ?? HE#$% send him to the BK Nets. But do a trade that is best for the Knicks not Melo

the thing is i don't think phil is trying to actively rebuild. i think he's gonna try to make the playoffs with or without carmelo

honestly we would've had a deal done already if phil wasn't humilating him in public. all he had to do was go to him upfront and say " hey melo, this isn't working out, i think you would be better off somewhere" instead of calling him a loser in public... etc

read the quotes i posted just now. it's from executives around the league saying that phil hurt melo's value TREMENDOUSLY.

phil **** it up

It doesn't matter , whats done is done and we can't undo that comment from Phil. No matter what Phil has said we can no longer argue over spilled milk. What's done is done.... So the Knicks should either IR, bench him ( same thing) Or Move him. I get the impression he has been a bad influence to the young guys. He rightfully has a reason to be sour against the franchise but whats done is done. It's time to cut ties one way or another . TO give him away for free is absolutely ridiculous to me...if you want Melo, if you want to make a run, or even if you want to sell the impression that you can challenge the warriors. Pay something for him. We don't have the talent for a mega play off push without Melo

[3toheadmelo]

I think it is disrespectful to bench him because he is ready for a team that needs to win. We are clearly rebuilding and we need to stay consistent with our plan. Melo can win games for us disrupting our tanking process. So It's more business then spite
Why get more W's then we need? Healthy Compromise would be him lifting his NTC so we can get a deal done. That or maybe expanding the teams he would be willing to lift his NTC for. Why not Pair Melo up with Butler in Minnesota ?? HE#$% send him to the BK Nets. But do a trade that is best for the Knicks not Melo

the thing is i don't think phil is trying to actively rebuild. i think he's gonna try to make the playoffs with or without carmelo

honestly we would've had a deal done already if phil wasn't humilating him in public. all he had to do was go to him upfront and say " hey melo, this isn't working out, i think you would be better off somewhere" instead of calling him a loser in public... etc

read the quotes i posted just now. it's from executives around the league saying that phil hurt melo's value TREMENDOUSLY.

phil **** it up

It doesn't matter , whats done is done and we can't undo that comment from Phil. No matter what Phil has said we can no longer argue over spilled milk. What's done is done.... So the Knicks should either IR, bench him ( same thing) Or Move him. I get the impression he has been a bad influence to the young guys. He rightfully has a reason to be sour against the franchise but whats done is done. It's time to cut ties one way or another . TO give him away for free is absolutely ridiculous to me...if you want Melo, if you want to make a run, or even if you want to sell the impression that you can challenge the warriors. Pay something for him. We don't have the talent for a mega play off push without Melo

he's still going to try to make the playoffs to prove his triangle works
some free agent is gonna get paid by us.

no point in benching melo. just cut him from the team if we can't find a trade

[Knox]

the thing is i don't think phil is trying to actively rebuild. i think he's gonna try to make the playoffs with or without carmelo

honestly we would've had a deal done already if phil wasn't humilating him in public. all he had to do was go to him upfront and say " hey melo, this isn't working out, i think you would be better off somewhere" instead of calling him a loser in public... etc

read the quotes i posted just now. it's from executives around the league saying that phil hurt melo's value TREMENDOUSLY.

phil **** it up

It doesn't matter , whats done is done and we can't undo that comment from Phil. No matter what Phil has said we can no longer argue over spilled milk. What's done is done.... So the Knicks should either IR, bench him ( same thing) Or Move him. I get the impression he has been a bad influence to the young guys. He rightfully has a reason to be sour against the franchise but whats done is done. It's time to cut ties one way or another . TO give him away for free is absolutely ridiculous to me...if you want Melo, if you want to make a run, or even if you want to sell the impression that you can challenge the warriors. Pay something for him. We don't have the talent for a mega play off push without Melo

he's still going to try to make the playoffs to prove his triangle works
some free agent is gonna get paid by us.

no point in benching melo. just cut him from the team if we can't find a trade

Phil has picked guys that have the most potential for the place he has drafted. Even though the experts feel the roof on frank is low I think Phil is high on him considering his age. I don't see this team making the playoffs without Melo. I just can't see it happening but for the most part we can agree to disagree on cutting Melo. I say let him ride the pine till he is a little more willing to compromise with us in moving him out

[Mecca]

I posted this in the SL thread, but it's more relevant here.

K-Mart insinuating that the Wizards would make a play for Melo. Melo going back to his real home and could contend in the East.

Otto Porter and a pick for Melo works. I would take that and run.

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He also said Noah straight trash haha. Love K-Mart.

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[sushibear]

I just don't want this guy on the team anymore. I watched way to many knicks game to know what hes going to bring next season and its going to be the same shiet since 2010. I'm done with his heavy iso's, lack of defense, no leadership, horrible mentoring ways. He does more harm than good being on this young team. If we can't get any good deal or even any sort of deal. A buyout should be considered.

[battabing10]

I don't think we think Melo Sucks...Him rotting on the bench at his age can diminish his abilities to keep up with todays NBA. I felt that having him sit on a bench is a way of countering his NTC. Melo knows sitting on the bench for a season is the worst thing for his game. Just my thoughts

that's pretty stubborn to bench an all star because of his NTC..
how can phil give someone a NTC then try to force someone to leave?
does he know what an NTC is?

listen, if melo is staying, start him as usual. that's disrespectful to bench him because he wants to stay loyal to his team......

if they can't find a trade at all and still want him gone then just buy him out. don't freaking bench him. what does that accomplish?

I think it is disrespectful to bench him because he is ready for a team that needs to win. We are clearly rebuilding and we need to stay consistent with our plan. Melo can win games for us disrupting our tanking process. So It's more business then spite
Why get more W's then we need? Healthy Compromise would be him lifting his NTC so we can get a deal done. That or maybe expanding the teams he would be willing to lift his NTC for. Why not Pair Melo up with Butler in Minnesota ?? HE#$% send him to the BK Nets. But do a trade that is best for the Knicks not Melo

if he wants to stay then it isn't disrespectful to have him come off the bench. he has all the power here except how many minutes and in what role. people say it's disrespectful but if you put it in the context of what is best for the knicks and their development then he should be willing to do whatever it takes to that end. and many here think that is as a 6th man, especially if he can get ack to eing dad melo. i think that would be an awesome thing for both him and the knicks.

also some fans say its disrespectful because they mistakenly identify with his outsized ego and project that he will never accept that role. i see it as a feel good story, where he still gets minutes and devastates opposing benches or forces other teams coaches to change their rotations. only downside to coming off the bench is if the other team has a second unit that like to run. melo is a horrible transition defender.

[Fury]

Melo to the Wizards for Porter
Lee for Rubio (twolves pick up a FA PG)

Rubio
Frank
Porter
KP
Willy

[SelbyCobra]

Why do people think that Melo's NTC means he has the right to be left alone for the duration of his current contract?

It doesn't mean that in any way. It means he can turn down agreed upon trades involving his contract - that's it.

I'd argue that, if anything, a NTC actually encourages an organization to find other ways to get him out if they want to choose a direction that moves away from the player, yet he is steadfast in his intention to hinder that movement. A NTC certainly has it's value to the player, but it's not a "hands off" or "leave him alone" guarantee. In fact, it can actually be the opposite, as NTCs have created significant friction/animosity before. While Melo's situation might be the most prominent and public, it's certainly not the first time a NTC was a problem in a player's relationship with his team.

The NTC was dumb and it backfired, I'm not arguing that, but it doesn't mean that Melo can't be subject to treatment outside of what a player of his production would typically warrant - all of this nonsense, including benching and/or a 6th man role is 100% viable because of the NTC.

[HEZI]

"Cavs are not interested in trading for Carmelo Anthony"- Windhorst

fwiw

[Mecca]

Melo to the Wizards for Porter
Lee for Rubio (twolves pick up a FA PG)

Rubio
Frank
Porter
KP
Willy

The S&T of Otto for Melo make too much damn sense.

- Melo hometown
- Dope city. Semi-Major Market
- Potential Contender. (I would put them over the C's. Wall is a different animal. And would set Melo up.)
- Wizards don't have to break down team to get Melo.


Otto is also the perfect system guy. Moves without the ball beautifully, smart player, 2 way, elite shooter.

[battabing10]

Melo to the Wizards for Porter
Lee for Rubio (twolves pick up a FA PG)

Rubio
Frank
Porter
KP
Willy

that's not bad for us but there's only one basketball in washington. melo, wall, beal can't be taking turns that's a losing proposition.

[Mecca]

Melo to the Wizards for Porter
Lee for Rubio (twolves pick up a FA PG)

Rubio
Frank
Porter
KP
Willy

that's not bad for us but there's only one basketball in washington. melo, wall, beal can't be taking turns that's a losing proposition.

Wall a pure point. It's his team. Melo transitioning towards becoming a 3rd banana at 33 anyway.