Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[Andrew McCeltic]

(Bulls fan, not trying to troll... but since my team sucks now, it's back to finding interest in other teams.)

I'm pretty devastated with the Minny trade. Personally I was really scared that we were gonna come out with Jackson (#3), Zeller and Smart after draft night... but somehow I'm convinced we did even worse with the Zach (ACL), Dunn (bust) and Lauri (Olynyk without the edge) package.

But I have to really question Ainge's moves, now that draft day has passed. I like what he was doing until then; how he got an extra pick out of PHI for Fultz, but I was sure it was for a star acquisition. Maybe he's 100% certain he's gonna sign Hayward, but I can't help but ask... what if Utah retains him?

Is the backup plan not pretty concerning? You can't trade good assets for Paul George knowing he's 100% intent on becoming a Laker next summer. Any other good player that might be available (Millsap, Gallinari, Ibaka) is gonna sign a deal worth way more than what Jimmy would've costed for 2 years ($19m). In fact, had you traded some salary out (like Zeller), you probably could've easily signed one of those guys in addition to Jimmy, and had a ridiculously stacked contend-now team.

I've said it before, but in trades, I can't think of a better player to target than Hassan Whiteside.

Lauri could actually be good, he's stronger than he looks and knows how to use his elbows to create room for himself under the basket. Amazingly quick release on his shot. Sharper edge than Olynyk. There are concerns, reasons he didn't go higher - but he's a sleeper pick. Watch more and read more of him and you could get cautiously optimistic.

Dunn and Lavine are major question marks, absolutely.

Turns out we put the 3 on the table at one point. My distant read is that you could've gotten more from us or Denver, we were just posturing about what we were willing to give up, but your FO got worried those were the best offers coming and settled for the Minny deal.

And yeah, I'd be happy with very conservative plays for us - absorb Vucevic into the cap, maybe sign a free agent big like JaMychal Green - renegotiate/extend IT at a discount to get him some security, like 2-3 more years at 18-20 million.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'm the most worried about our plan A: Hayward, George, a bench full of rookies, all our great roleplayers gone, luxury tax hell, and no certainty we can beat Golden State or Cleveland.

[DarkAzcura]

(Bulls fan, not trying to troll... but since my team sucks now, it's back to finding interest in other teams.)

I'm pretty devastated with the Minny trade. Personally I was really scared that we were gonna come out with Jackson (#3), Zeller and Smart after draft night... but somehow I'm convinced we did even worse with the Zach (ACL), Dunn (bust) and Lauri (Olynyk without the edge) package.

But I have to really question Ainge's moves, now that draft day has passed. I like what he was doing until then; how he got an extra pick out of PHI for Fultz, but I was sure it was for a star acquisition. Maybe he's 100% certain he's gonna sign Hayward, but I can't help but ask... what if Utah retains him?

Is the backup plan not pretty concerning? You can't trade good assets for Paul George knowing he's 100% intent on becoming a Laker next summer. Any other good player that might be available (Millsap, Gallinari, Ibaka) is gonna sign a deal worth way more than what Jimmy would've costed for 2 years ($19m). In fact, had you traded some salary out (like Zeller), you probably could've easily signed one of those guys in addition to Jimmy, and had a ridiculously stacked contend-now team.

I've said it before, but in trades, I can't think of a better player to target than Hassan Whiteside.

Brad Stevens seems to have a veto in place on bigs who can't shoot or play out of the high post. Hence why we were all-in on Porzingis but stifled a yawn when Noel was auctioned off for peanuts.

Also, Kelly Olynyk has an edge?

For whatever reason everyone outside Boston thinks KO is this tough, dirty player, lol. Crazy what one freak injury does to one's reputation.

[OFWGKTA]

I'm the most worried about our plan A: Hayward, George, a bench full of rookies, all our great roleplayers gone, luxury tax hell, and no certainty we can beat Golden State or Cleveland.

If you build it, vets will come.

[MrSparkle]

(Bulls fan, not trying to troll... but since my team sucks now, it's back to finding interest in other teams.)

I'm pretty devastated with the Minny trade. Personally I was really scared that we were gonna come out with Jackson (#3), Zeller and Smart after draft night... but somehow I'm convinced we did even worse with the Zach (ACL), Dunn (bust) and Lauri (Olynyk without the edge) package.

But I have to really question Ainge's moves, now that draft day has passed. I like what he was doing until then; how he got an extra pick out of PHI for Fultz, but I was sure it was for a star acquisition. Maybe he's 100% certain he's gonna sign Hayward, but I can't help but ask... what if Utah retains him?

Is the backup plan not pretty concerning? You can't trade good assets for Paul George knowing he's 100% intent on becoming a Laker next summer. Any other good player that might be available (Millsap, Gallinari, Ibaka) is gonna sign a deal worth way more than what Jimmy would've costed for 2 years ($19m). In fact, had you traded some salary out (like Zeller), you probably could've easily signed one of those guys in addition to Jimmy, and had a ridiculously stacked contend-now team.

I've said it before, but in trades, I can't think of a better player to target than Hassan Whiteside.

Brad Stevens seems to have a veto in place on bigs who can't shoot or play out of the high post. Hence why we were all-in on Porzingis but stifled a yawn when Noel was auctioned off for peanuts.

Also, Kelly Olynyk has an edge?

For whatever reason everyone outside Boston thinks KO is this tough, dirty player, lol. Crazy what one freak injury does to one's reputation.

Maybe it's just the way he looked against Niko, our failed 'chosen one.'

Well, fair enough -- I realize some of these things are easier said than done, and it was the right decision NOT to overpay for Jimmy the past year (two BRK 1sts, Brown, etc.), but from the other end, Utah has a lot to lose if Gordon walks, and I'm wondering how far they'll go to retain him.

[MaxwellSmart]

Brad Stevens seems to have a veto in place on bigs who can't shoot or play out of the high post. Hence why we were all-in on Porzingis but stifled a yawn when Noel was auctioned off for peanuts.

Also, Kelly Olynyk has an edge?

For whatever reason everyone outside Boston thinks KO is this tough, dirty player, lol. Crazy what one freak injury does to one's reputation.

Maybe it's just the way he looked against Niko, our failed 'chosen one.'

Well, fair enough -- I realize some of these things are easier said than done, and it was the right decision NOT to overpay for Jimmy the past year (two BRK 1sts, Brown, etc.), but from the other end, Utah has a lot to lose if Gordon walks, and I'm wondering how far they'll go to retain him.

I'm just surprised at how The Bulls HAD to trade Butler on draft night....they couldn't wait a bit--? Get something better-?

[reload141]

Jordan Hill waived by Wolves... vet min?

[reload141]

(Bulls fan, not trying to troll... but since my team sucks now, it's back to finding interest in other teams.)

I'm pretty devastated with the Minny trade. Personally I was really scared that we were gonna come out with Jackson (#3), Zeller and Smart after draft night... but somehow I'm convinced we did even worse with the Zach (ACL), Dunn (bust) and Lauri (Olynyk without the edge) package.

But I have to really question Ainge's moves, now that draft day has passed. I like what he was doing until then; how he got an extra pick out of PHI for Fultz, but I was sure it was for a star acquisition. Maybe he's 100% certain he's gonna sign Hayward, but I can't help but ask... what if Utah retains him?

Is the backup plan not pretty concerning? You can't trade good assets for Paul George knowing he's 100% intent on becoming a Laker next summer. Any other good player that might be available (Millsap, Gallinari, Ibaka) is gonna sign a deal worth way more than what Jimmy would've costed for 2 years ($19m). In fact, had you traded some salary out (like Zeller), you probably could've easily signed one of those guys in addition to Jimmy, and had a ridiculously stacked contend-now team.

I've said it before, but in trades, I can't think of a better player to target than Hassan Whiteside.

Hayward to us is a foregone conclusion. Not trying to act cocky but it's a done deal.
Butler was traded for peanuts because it was the best offer out there... he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way at the Bulls and has a bit of a **** attitude. We would've only traded for him for an absolute bargain.... even then I don't think we would of still traded for him at a low price.

George fits our system being a better 3pt shooter and ability to spread the floor and play off the ball.
Brad and Ainge value high character guys hence why Tatum was drafted (aside from Fultz's knee)
Whiteside is an immense talent but we value spacing more than anything else.

[Kefa461]

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/update-three-way-cavs-nuggets-pacers-deal-george-very-unlikely

[Crossy2008]

Crowder got ahead of himself this season. It seemed as though he felt like he became a 2nd tier player, but he is a guy that always has to work hard to be an impact player. His defense got lazy, his drive to the basket was slightly diminished, and he took contested shots often.

Replacing him with a Hayward or George would be a big upgrade based on his play last season. He would be a decent player for depth and to come off the bench, but I don't think he would go for that at this point in his career.

[j_dlt]

if this alleged super team deal does go through which of these guys would you want most for the MLE or Veterans min.

Rajon Rondo - Dare we go back to the well. I love this fit but does Danny or Brad?
Tony Allen - TA ! defense. defense. defense. back to the well again !
JJ Reddick - Threes and D
Vince Carter - Threes off the bench maybe hoping to chase a ring with us.
Zach Randolph - High on my list.
Andrew Bogut - Maybe he doesn't spurn us this time. Maybe he doesn't get injured first touch.

Full MLE on Deadmon. We need bigs. How much is the full MLE worth these days?

We actually would only have the room-level-exception. If you are under the cap, there is actually a cap hold for the MLE. So in order to get the full MLE we would have to clear enough cap space for it and Hayward. So unfortunately we only get like 4.3 million.

[Curmudgeon]

We actually would only have the room-level-exception. If you are under the cap, there is actually a cap hold for the MLE. So in order to get the full MLE we would have to clear enough cap space for it and Hayward. So unfortunately we only get like 4.3 million.

Yes, the MLE would have to be renounced to sign Hayward. But if the Celtics go over the cap in 2017-18, they would have the full MLE in 2018-19.

[galipeautim]

If we miss out on a max free agent (Griffin or Hayward) and Paul George's asking price is too high ( I know this is a disaster scenario) then I think Boston would be very smart to trade for Ryan Anderson...a guy who can rebound and stretch the floor. We could probably get him for cheap with the Rockets chasing Chris Paul.

[GoCeltics123]

If we miss out on a max free agent (Griffin or Hayward) and Paul George's asking price is too high ( I know this is a disaster scenario) then I think Boston would be very smart to trade for Ryan Anderson...a guy who can rebound and stretch the floor. We could probably get him for cheap with the Rockets chasing Chris Paul.

With his contract? Nah.

And he's a TERRIBLE defender

[Green89]

Shouldn't we be trading whoever wouldn't be part of a George trade now to free up cap room for Hayward?

[KDBG]

Read on Twitter

Tony Jones says that Miami will meet with Hayward on Saturday, and Utah on Monday. He still has no idea when he will meet with Boston yet.

FWIW, sources in Utah say he's split equally with all 3 teams. I guess it'll come down to money/loyalty, winning/playing in the East, and weather basically. My gut is that Miami has a lot to do with his wife. I think it really comes down to Utah and Boston. The meetings will be a huge deal. But I think you guys may have the upper hand right now cause we currently don't have a starting caliber point guard under contract. That's a huge deal to Hayward I've heard. He especially wants George Hill back if possible.

[robdog_5]

I think Spurs missing out on Hill means he will attract attention there and word is Minny will also target Hill and has some space

[CollegeToPros]

Question. Which current Celtic goes to that meeting? Isaiah and Horford?

[grindtime22]

Shouldn't we be trading whoever wouldn't be part of a George trade now to free up cap room for Hayward?

That is probably just semantics

He doesn't have to sign the moment he agrees to sign with us. I'm sure we are putting different contingencies in place. It is not a ton of salary we have to offload. I don't think it will be that difficult to accomplish. If we come to an agreement with Hayward/Griffin, we will then execute moves to free up the space for them to sign on the dotted line.

We don't want to offload players who have some value and have it be for nothing.

[KDBG]

I think Spurs missing out on Hill means he will attract attention there and word is Minny will also target Hill and has some space

I've heard a sign and trade with with Hill for Rubio is a big possibility if Hill wants to leave. I'm not sure how satisfied or not Hayward would be with the Jazz getting Rubio though.