official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[IllmaticHandler]

Adding First Round pick to get Otto Porter? LOLOL. Come on man....damn.

[BKlutch]

Washington would probably want an additional asset with Melo for Porter. Probably our 2018 1st rounder (protected)....

Would you do 'Melo + 2018 NYK 1st (top 7 protected, then goes to 2019 with top 3 protection) for Otto Porter?

Worth consideration, especially if we could follow it up with Lee for Rubio... That's some defense...

What we're really saying is do we want to trade our 2018 1st for Porter - and get rid of our Melo problem.

I'm not sure we want to give up the pick and acquire a guy who will not help us reach the playoffs in the next two years, but will help us win a few more games to hurt our draft pick (if we had one). Wouldn't it be ironic to protect the pick, but Porter wins a couple of close games so we lose our pick anyway.

That would be way too frustrating for most Knicks fans to bear.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Understand this first and foremost Melo wants to win here. Winning anywhere else is secondary. He is fine accepting a lesser role. As far as staying on a year or two on a lottery team and you not believing he would do it. Where you been? He has been here the last couple of years and the Knicks have been in the lottery. It would be nothing new for him and not an issue. He would love a better situation but he loves living in the city more.

Melo said he doesn't want a reduced role. He was on lottery teams because the win now roster was trash. Not because he was ok with it. Him wanting to win here is a detriment to the direction of the team. He's not gonna play good soldier and play a limited role on a losing team. To keep trying to make the playoffs with him is putting the team on a treadmill when we should be in a tank. It's a selfish move to keep the team from rebuilding THE RIGHT WAY. High lottery picks instead of mid to late round picks. Talent wins in this league, not wishful thinking.

Before anything else this is a business. So don't let your emotions cloud your thinking or judgement about what should or will happen with the Knicks.

Logic is an emotion now? You need to check yourself. You're salty one around here. You're a habitual goalpost mover. I read the things you post. You're usually wrong. Keep it moving.

[BrOnXKing1]

Washington would probably want an additional asset with Melo for Porter. Probably our 2018 1st rounder (protected)....

Would you do 'Melo + 2018 NYK 1st (top 7 protected, then goes to 2019 with top 3 protection) for Otto Porter?

Worth consideration, especially if we could follow it up with Lee for Rubio... That's some defense...

What we're really saying is do we want to trade our 2018 1st for Porter - and get rid of our Melo problem.

I'm not sure we want to give up the pick and acquire a guy who will not help us reach the playoffs in the next two years, but will help us win a few more games to hurt our draft pick (if we had one). Wouldn't it be ironic to protect the pick, but Porter wins a couple of close games so we lose our pick anyway.

That would be way too frustrating for most Knicks fans to bear.

I don't think we would need to give up a pick. Porter is good role player, but he is about to get the max at 25million per year. The wizards will have no flexibility after they sign Porter. They will be locked into that nucleus.

Melo, on the other hand is a better player, has two years left at 26 million. They can make a run the next two years and let him walk after that.

[BKlutch]

I'd rather have nothing than Frye and Shump. Those roster spots could better be used by players that may have a future with us. Frye and Shump will not have a future with us.

It's in our best interest to buy him out and just start fresh. Bringing him back does nothing but stunt the development of the team.

I agree on not getting Frye and Shump. Absolutely don't want either one.

But I'm not sure about Melo stunting the development of the team. I think we present him with the following scenario:

1. It's a rebuilding time for at least 2 years
2. You won't win here, but you might elsewhere
3. If you stay, you will have to play within the system and in a reduced role to facilitate the development of the young guys.

I can't see Melo damaging his reputation by refusing to either accept the trade or accept those conditions and purposely hurting his team's future.

[NoLayupRule]

all this moronic talk about buying out Melo is adding to the lack of urgency teams have to trade for him

I think once we get some free agency decisions underway - and specifically Paul - the melo interest will perk up

There's no need to buy out Melo. No need at all.

Why should we spend money to make him go? We don't need a free agent this year, because we're not trying to win now. We're trying to develop our kiddies, so we're better off with fewer victories and a better draft position in 2018.

If we buy out Melo and acquire a FA, maybe we'll win a few more games and get a worse pick. Is this what we really want? Let's allow Dad Melo to show the younguns some of what he knows, as long as he is agreeable to playing within the system. He'll do a good job that way, and he's the only one who will lose out by never getting his ring.

If he really wants to leave, we should look for younger potential starters (ho would develop along with our own) in return. Fewer victories this year, a better draft in '18, and we're on our way.

yep

it might be boring but even if we have to hold onto him until the trade deadline and then move him itll still be better than a buyout

even if its expirings
but he will have more value to a team trying to make some noise

this exact time is his lowest value trade-wise

[Sark]

We don't need to attach a first to get rid of Melo because we don't need the cap space, and we're certainly not doing it for Otto Porter.

Melo will be presented with 2 options.
Do you want to play in 2017/18?

Yes? Ok let's come to an agreement on a buyout and you can go to Cleveland or LA as a free agent.

I don't care. Ok stay home and collect your paycheck.


The idea that he shows up to camp and it's business as usual, is pretty much over.

[NoLayupRule]

The biggest point is, why would Melo waive his no trade clause after Phil basically said he doesn't want him on the team. Melo and his agent are prob thinking either we stay with the knicks or get waived and goto the team of my choice. Phil needs to tell Melo we won't waive you under any circumstance.

Now that I think about it why not send Melo / Rose to the T Wolves in a package deal ?

I'd ask for Towns/Rubio. But there's a remote chance they'll prefer to keep Towns... so who would we trade them for?
Never need to worry about helping another team by trading Melo to them, because he will only really help them another 2 or so years. We won't be in contention during that time, anyway.

you do realize that Towns is their franchise player

thats like asking for KP but even more so

no,
and for that matter Melo wont go to Mini so why is this a conversation?

[BKlutch]

Now that I think about it why not send Melo / Rose to the T Wolves in a package deal ?

I'd ask for Towns/Rubio. But there's a remote chance they'll prefer to keep Towns... so who would we trade them for?
Never need to worry about helping another team by trading Melo to them, because he will only really help them another 2 or so years. We won't be in contention during that time, anyway.

you do realize that Towns is their franchise player

thats like asking for KP but even more so

no,
and for that matter Melo wont go to Mini so why is this a conversation?

Considering that Towns is (possibly) the only player from that draft I'd take over KP, it's apparent I should have made my sarcasm a little more obvious. I was just trying to say, we don't really want anybody from there except maybe Rubio, so trading two of our guys isn't a real option.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

I'd rather have nothing than Frye and Shump. Those roster spots could better be used by players that may have a future with us. Frye and Shump will not have a future with us.

It's in our best interest to buy him out and just start fresh. Bringing him back does nothing but stunt the development of the team.

If that trade worked under cap rules (which it doesn't), it would actually be better for the Knicks to make the deal and simply waive Frye and Shump than to buy-out Melo. Melo is owed $54 million over the next two years and Frye + Shump are owed a little under $29 million combined.

[Lord Commander]

It's pretty tempting to have him move on and start actually rebuilding

thats what im saying. It's more tempting to have him more on and us actually rebuild than to keep him here and hope he eventually relents on destinations. He doesn't have great value regardless but keeping him on the roster just makes no sense. Which means that as a last resort a buyout should still be considered.

He's valued by other team...he's an asset and must be treated as such. Even if we take back a crap contract, as long as we're getting a first rounder (2021?) , I'm good.

[seren]

"Cavs are not interested in trading for Carmelo Anthony"- Windhorst

fwiw

So if we offer Melo for say a package of Frye and Shump, they say no?

This is nonsense. They may not be interested in trading Love for him but it doesn't mean they will never trade for him.

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That's not a realistic scenario

In other word, Cavs are not interested in Melo for Love. It doesn't mean that they are not interested at all.

Also deals like these should silence Melo waive talk. Literally you could do this trade, waive and stretch both players and save more money.



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[NoLayupRule]

I'd ask for Towns/Rubio. But there's a remote chance they'll prefer to keep Towns... so who would we trade them for?
Never need to worry about helping another team by trading Melo to them, because he will only really help them another 2 or so years. We won't be in contention during that time, anyway.

you do realize that Towns is their franchise player

thats like asking for KP but even more so

no,
and for that matter Melo wont go to Mini so why is this a conversation?

Considering that Towns is (possibly) the only player from that draft I'd take over KP, it's apparent I should have made my sarcasm a little more obvious. I was just trying to say, we don't really want anybody from there except maybe Rubio, so trading two of our guys isn't a real option.

my bad

I thought you were a moron for a min

turns out I was the one missing the obvious

[NoLayupRule]

So if we offer Melo for say a package of Frye and Shump, they say no?

This is nonsense. They may not be interested in trading Love for him but it doesn't mean they will never trade for him.

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That's not a realistic scenario

In other word, Cavs are not interested in Melo for Love. It doesn't mean that they are not interested at all.

Also deals like these should silence Melo waive talk. Literally you could do this trade, waive and stretch both players and save more money.



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actually it turns out the cavs think they can get George for love and therefor think they can turn to melo later

if the george trade falls though or, worse yet, if he goes to Boston with Haywood Jablowme then the cavs will be pressured to move Lpve and probably add melo

[BKlutch]

you do realize that Towns is their franchise player

thats like asking for KP but even more so

no,
and for that matter Melo wont go to Mini so why is this a conversation?

Considering that Towns is (possibly) the only player from that draft I'd take over KP, it's apparent I should have made my sarcasm a little more obvious. I was just trying to say, we don't really want anybody from there except maybe Rubio, so trading two of our guys isn't a real option.

my bad

I thought you were a moron for a min

turns out I was the one missing the obvious

No prob, I have been a moron for more than one min, but just not this one.

[camillepd]

Cavs will offer Love for Melo after they fail to acquire Paul George from Pacers.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

So if we offer Melo for say a package of Frye and Shump, they say no?

This is nonsense. They may not be interested in trading Love for him but it doesn't mean they will never trade for him.

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That's not a realistic scenario

In other word, Cavs are not interested in Melo for Love. It doesn't mean that they are not interested at all.

Also deals like these should silence Melo waive talk. Literally you could do this trade, waive and stretch both players and save more money.


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Yup. Cavs would have to add another ~ $2 million or so to make a trade work, but these are the types of last-resort deals that the Knicks should consider before turning to a buyout. It's not exactly the same as trading him for a full expiring, but it's still a salary dump move that would save them the equivalent of about 90% of Melo's final year.

Of course, Melo could still just stand pat, refuse any trade, force a buyout/waive anyway, and then sign with the Cavs outright, but he might prefer to avoid the embarrassment of being waived.

[mademan]

Cavs will offer Love for Melo after they fail to acquire Paul George from Pacers.

Thats, at best, a lateral move and they know it. And it costs them more money and doesnt help their actual issues (defense). I believe Windhorst when he says that they have no interest in that swap

[knickstape21]

Melo will be a Knick next season. GM's know you can't win with this guy.

[mattkabara]

Cavs will offer Love for Melo after they fail to acquire Paul George from Pacers.

Thats, at best, a lateral move and they know it. And it costs them more money and doesnt help their actual issues (defense). I believe Windhorst when he says that they have no interest in that swap

It never really made any sense, it was always wishful thinking that since Lebron and Melo are friends, and Lebron and Love aren't super close, that Lebron would push for that.

Phil mishandled this and he's definitely hurt Melo's value. His message should have always been "Melo it's not working, we made some win now moves that didn't work, I don't see a path for contention while you're here. We're getting younger, we'd love to have you here, being a mentor and a leader to the young guys. If you want a shot at a ring though we'll see whats out there and try to make a deal that works for both of us."

Now whatever value he could have had is gone, teams are assuming he CAN'T be a Knick next year and is going to get bought out.