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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1081 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:04 pm

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camillepd wrote:Cavs will offer Love for Melo after they fail to acquire Paul George from Pacers.


Thats, at best, a lateral move and they know it. And it costs them more money and doesnt help their actual issues (defense). I believe Windhorst when he says that they have no interest in that swap


if billups takes the job he said otherwise.
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1082 » by BowlRips » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:05 pm

mademan wrote:
camillepd wrote:Cavs will offer Love for Melo after they fail to acquire Paul George from Pacers.


Thats, at best, a lateral move and they know it. And it costs them more money and doesnt help their actual issues (defense). I believe Windhorst when he says that they have no interest in that swap


It was reported that Griffin had no interest in such a swap.
Chauncey was on record saying that should make that deal
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1083 » by mademan » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:24 pm

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mademan wrote:
camillepd wrote:Cavs will offer Love for Melo after they fail to acquire Paul George from Pacers.


Thats, at best, a lateral move and they know it. And it costs them more money and doesnt help their actual issues (defense). I believe Windhorst when he says that they have no interest in that swap


It was reported that Griffin had no interest in such a swap.
Chauncey was on record saying that should make that deal


Easy to talk about it as a 3rd party viewer who has imperfect information. Harder to do when you have an owner to answer to and a couple hundred analysts telling you how awful of a move it is. It was always wishful thinking. Truth is, Phil would be lucky to get an expiring for him right now
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1084 » by Sark » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:29 pm

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It's pretty tempting to have him move on and start actually rebuilding


thats what im saying. It's more tempting to have him more on and us actually rebuild than to keep him here and hope he eventually relents on destinations. He doesn't have great value regardless but keeping him on the roster just makes no sense. Which means that as a last resort a buyout should still be considered.


He's valued by other team...he's an asset and must be treated as such. Even if we take back a crap contract, as long as we're getting a first rounder (2021?) , I'm good.



He's not valued by other teams because they are not allowed to value him until he says they can, due to the NTC. A team like Milwaukee couldn't make an offer because he wouldn't go there.

It's really just supply and demand. Melo's NTC makes sure there is no demand.
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1085 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:36 pm

Is there a team that wants to slow their ball movement down? Maybe Houston is a trade partner. They could use him like a throttle.
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Post#1086 » by sol537 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:47 pm

If Houston gets Paul, they should get 'Melo as well so they can run a super 6 seconds or less offense
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1087 » by Fury » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:49 pm

sol537 wrote:If Houston gets Paul, they should get 'Melo as well so they can run a super 6 seconds or less offense


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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1088 » by Fury » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:50 pm

Why the hell would dan tony trade for the guy that got him fired
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1089 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:59 pm

and btw...cp3 and harden would be such a waste I have no idea why anyone thinks thats a good combo. Harden had a career year playing point so get another ball dominant guard? Lowry would be a better fit IMO.
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1090 » by sushibear » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:59 pm

No team will give up valuable assets for melo. they'll pick him up but they won't trade their 1st rounders or their core pieces. Melo is on a hard decline. He is also a risk factor in disturbing whatever system a team is running. Buy him the fuq out. Its over fam.
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1091 » by Battery » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:01 pm

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ToHoleWithSoul wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
thats what im saying. It's more tempting to have him more on and us actually rebuild than to keep him here and hope he eventually relents on destinations. He doesn't have great value regardless but keeping him on the roster just makes no sense. Which means that as a last resort a buyout should still be considered.


He's valued by other team...he's an asset and must be treated as such. Even if we take back a crap contract, as long as we're getting a first rounder (2021?) , I'm good.



He's not valued by other teams because they are not allowed to value him until he says they can, due to the NTC. A team like Milwaukee couldn't make an offer because he wouldn't go there.

It's really just supply and demand. Melo's NTC makes sure there is no demand.



Maybe he likes Milwaukee? It's not Siberia.
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1092 » by ForzaMetro » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:07 pm

Did the details of that massive 5 teamer ever leak? Any chance that gets revived? I thought I read a leak that said it was very close before one team got cold feet (might have been the team receiving Love).
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1093 » by Sark » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:25 pm

Battery wrote:
Sark wrote:
ToHoleWithSoul wrote:
He's valued by other team...he's an asset and must be treated as such. Even if we take back a crap contract, as long as we're getting a first rounder (2021?) , I'm good.



He's not valued by other teams because they are not allowed to value him until he says they can, due to the NTC. A team like Milwaukee couldn't make an offer because he wouldn't go there.

It's really just supply and demand. Melo's NTC makes sure there is no demand.



Maybe he likes Milwaukee? It's not Siberia.



It's not on his list.
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Post#1094 » by HEZI » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:38 pm

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seren wrote:So if we offer Melo for say a package of Frye and Shump, they say no?

This is nonsense. They may not be interested in trading Love for him but it doesn't mean they will never trade for him.

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That's not a realistic scenario

In other word, Cavs are not interested in Melo for Love. It doesn't mean that they are not interested at all.

Also deals like these should silence Melo waive talk. Literally you could do this trade, waive and stretch both players and save more money.



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Why would the Knicks take on that garbage offer in the first place? To save Dolan a couple bucks? And this is assuming that Carmelo is willing to waive that trade kicker because if he is not then that is another 8 million of extra salary that the Cavs would have to dump on the Knicks just make the salaries match.
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1095 » by mpharris36 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:39 pm

ForzaMetro wrote:Did the details of that massive 5 teamer ever leak? Any chance that gets revived? I thought I read a leak that said it was very close before one team got cold feet (might have been the team receiving Love).


I think its the pacers because its the reason the 3 team is still up in the air. I think the pacers believe PG13 value is higher than it actually is because he's just a 1 year rental outside of the lakers.
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Post#1096 » by HEZI » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:40 pm

I know who really wants Carmelo

Billy Donovan

But would Carmelo want to go to OKC? My guess is no
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1097 » by Battery » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:44 pm

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He's not valued by other teams because they are not allowed to value him until he says they can, due to the NTC. A team like Milwaukee couldn't make an offer because he wouldn't go there.

It's really just supply and demand. Melo's NTC makes sure there is no demand.



Maybe he likes Milwaukee? It's not Siberia.



It's not on his list.


He has no list. However, other teams have a list of players they do not want and I'm sure Melo is right near the top.
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1098 » by SelbyCobra » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:01 pm

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SelbyCobra wrote:Now that Minnesota has Butler, does Melo give them them a tiny bit of consideration? If so a Melo for Rubio deal could probably be worked out.

I could see a

PG: Tyus Jones
SG: Andrew Wiggins
SF: Jimmy Butler
PF: Carmelo Anthony
C: Karl-Anthony Towns

With Thibs as the coach being intriguing to Melo.

But it's also still Minnesota, so there's that...

I could see this on offense, but how will Melo and Thibs get along on defense? I don't see Melo being able to play with the defensive intensity that Thibs is known to ask for from his players.


I agree, but at the same time Melo and Thibs have a long developing bromance.


From 2014:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/coming-chi-knicks-playoff-bid-fails-melo-inquires-bulls-coach-thibodeau-article-1.1754800

Carmelo Anthony recently approached a former Chicago Bulls player and asked a loaded question that should make Phil Jackson a little nervous.

“What is it like to play for Thibs?” Anthony said.

...

Another factor could be Thibodeau’s close relationship to Anthony’s agent, Leon Rose, whose longtime friend William Wesley represents Thibodeau. They all fall under the same CAA umbrella.

...

When asked on Friday why the Bulls have survived losing key players while the Knicks haven’t, Anthony said: “I have no clue. Thibs is a great coach, his system kind of reminds me of Gregg Popovich’s system.

“You put anybody in that system and it’s going to work. That’s what they’ve been doing. They’ve had guys sitting out all season long, guys that’s been in and out of the lineups and they seem to get it done.”



From 2014 again:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-bulls-coach-tom-thibodeau-praises-carmelo-anthony-20141218-story.html

"I have great respect for what he’s done. He’s a great talent. But he’s a great person, too," Thibodeau said. "I got to know him a little through USA Basketball and Coach (Jim) Boeheim. And the things Coach (Mike) Krzyzewski and Coach Boeheim said about him told me that he would be a great fit for any team.

"When you look at his career, it speaks for itself. The numbers are incredible. He probably doesn’t get the credit for being the passer and playmaker that he is. But the people with USA Basketball said that’s the role he played for that team. Every player has to do what they feel is best for himself and his family. And I think that’s what he did. And he was totally honest with everybody."



And one more from 2014:

http://nypost.com/2014/06/24/boeheim-bulls-thibodeau-very-excited-for-crack-at-carmelo/

“I’ve talked to Tom about Melo, his name has come up,’’ Boeheim told The Post. “I think Tom is very excited about the possibility of getting Carmelo. He likes him. He likes how he plays. He feels he’s coachable. I think Tom Thibodeau is one of the better coaches in the NBA. Carmelo would be happy playing for him. It would be a good fit — the coach-player relationship.’’



From 2016:

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0517410308499708432-4

Carmelo Anthony thinks Tom Thibodeau would have accepted the Knicks' head-coaching job if it were offered him. "I'm pretty sure in Thibodeau's situation, I'm pretty sure he wanted to come (to New York)," Anthony told ESPN. "He waited a while to see if there was gonna be an opportunity. It didn't happen." Team president Phil Jackson did not reach out to Thibodeau prior Thibodeau accepting a coaching/team president position with the Minnesota Timberwolves, according to sources. "I'm pretty sure if he would've gotten offered the job, he would have took it with no regret. He would have jumped on it," Anthony added.



Also 2016, this from Thibs on coaching Melo in the Olympics:

http://nypost.com/2016/07/19/thibodeau-raves-about-great-new-knicks-sidesteps-phil-snub/

Now Anthony and Thibodeau are together for a solid month on this Olympic journey.

“He’s been great, terrific,’’ Thibodeau said of Anthony. “He set the tone in the first meeting. In practice, he’s playing unselfishly, practicing hard, talking to people, moving the ball, rebounding. He’s doing a lot of good stuff for us.

“That’s the best type of leadership you can have. The way he concentrates in meetings and practices. It goes a long way for the younger guys who haven’t been through it, setting an example.’’
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Re: official Melo trade speculation - thread 2 

Post#1099 » by Sark » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:04 pm

Battery wrote:
Sark wrote:
Battery wrote:

Maybe he likes Milwaukee? It's not Siberia.



It's not on his list.


He has no list. However, other teams have a list of players they do not want and I'm sure Melo is right near the top.



He does. Cleveland and LA.
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Post#1100 » by seren » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:23 pm

HEZI wrote:
seren wrote:
HEZI wrote:
That's not a realistic scenario

In other word, Cavs are not interested in Melo for Love. It doesn't mean that they are not interested at all.

Also deals like these should silence Melo waive talk. Literally you could do this trade, waive and stretch both players and save more money.



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Why would the Knicks take on that garbage offer in the first place? To save Dolan a couple bucks? And this is assuming that Carmelo is willing to waive that trade kicker because if he is not then that is another 8 million of extra salary that the Cavs would have to dump on the Knicks just make the salaries match.

Hmmm. A bit tough to follow my posts I guess. I am not defending such a trade. I am just saying that Cleveland not interested in a Melo trade is nonsense (they would if the price is just Frye/Shump/filler) and moreover waiving Melo is also nonsense (since a lopsided trade like above would be more sensible financially). Clear?

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