Ranking the best young core's in the League right now

[Zelaznyrules]

I'm not an Arizona fan, I don't fall under that spell.

I'm an Arizona fan and I like RHJ but I don't see his ceiling as anything more than a good player off the bench.

[MrMiyagi]

I'm not an Arizona fan, I don't fall under that spell.

I'm an Arizona fan and I like RHJ but I don't see his ceiling as anything more than a good player off the bench.

SHAME ON BOTH OF YOU!

[Zelaznyrules]

^^I had no idea RHJ could dunk. So change his ceiling to pretty good player off the bench.

[Preacherpj]

Teams with the best All-Star potentials (drafted since 2013):

1. Milwuakee - Giannis, Parker
2. Minnesota - Towns, Wiggins
3. Philadelphia - Fultz, Simmons, Embiid
4. Phoenix - Booker, Jackson, Chriss
5. Denver - Jokic
6. Sacramento - Fox, Hield, Labissiere
7. Lakers - Ball, Ingram
8. Boston - Tatum, Brown

That is how I look at it too. CORE was the word. Not one player or two.

Potential

1. Minny
2. Milwaukee
3. Phoenix
4. Philly purely on potential....dudes haven't played yet
5. Sac
6. LAL
7. Bos
8. Denver

Jokic is worthless defensively.....less than Booker by a mile. I'm not sold on him one bit. He is old school.

Well not all players of a 'CORE' are created equal. I don't know how you aren't sold on Jokic one bit, but love Booker - Jokic right now is the superior player to Booker; now Booker is a year younger, but he's got a long ways to go to catch up with Jokic offensively.

Jokic's TS% was .640!! that's 4th best in the NBA, right behind Durant and this is big man who attempts some three's, Jokic's PER was 9th in the league... ahead of Curry, KAT, Cousins, Wall, Butler.... ect... ect....

The dude is a stud. Now you can certainly argue that the rest of the cast Murray, Harris, Muiday ect.... isn't as strong as PHX's - but I'm going to lean towards the team with the best player and still a good young core around him. Jokic is a safer bet to build a franchise around than anyone on Phoenix right now.

[JMac1]

Teams with the best All-Star potentials (drafted since 2013):

1. Milwuakee - Giannis, Parker
2. Minnesota - Towns, Wiggins
3. Philadelphia - Fultz, Simmons, Embiid
4. Phoenix - Booker, Jackson, Chriss
5. Denver - Jokic
6. Sacramento - Fox, Hield, Labissiere
7. Lakers - Ball, Ingram
8. Boston - Tatum, Brown

That is how I look at it too. CORE was the word. Not one player or two.

Potential

1. Minny
2. Milwaukee
3. Phoenix
4. Philly purely on potential....dudes haven't played yet
5. Sac
6. LAL
7. Bos
8. Denver

Jokic is worthless defensively.....less than Booker by a mile. I'm not sold on him one bit. He is old school.

SMH, you need to watch more Jokic. Just because he's not the most athletic guy doesnt mean he doesn't defend. And he's certainly not old school, dude can do everything on the court but jump high. I hope one day Booker can put up a 26PER like Jokic did this season, but that will probably never happen. Jokic is a monster.

Jokic can't keep up with small ball lineups.... I like him a lot for yesterday's game.

[JMac1]

Teams with the best All-Star potentials (drafted since 2013):

1. Milwuakee - Giannis, Parker
2. Minnesota - Towns, Wiggins
3. Philadelphia - Fultz, Simmons, Embiid
4. Phoenix - Booker, Jackson, Chriss
5. Denver - Jokic
6. Sacramento - Fox, Hield, Labissiere
7. Lakers - Ball, Ingram
8. Boston - Tatum, Brown

That is how I look at it too. CORE was the word. Not one player or two.

Potential

1. Minny
2. Milwaukee
3. Phoenix
4. Philly purely on potential....dudes haven't played yet
5. Sac
6. LAL
7. Bos
8. Denver

Jokic is worthless defensively.....less than Booker by a mile. I'm not sold on him one bit. He is old school.

Well not all players of a 'CORE' are created equal. I don't know how you aren't sold on Jokic one bit, but love Booker - Jokic right now is the superior player to Booker; now Booker is a year younger, but he's got a long ways to go to catch up with Jokic offensively.

Jokic's TS% was .640!! that's 4th best in the NBA, right behind Durant and this is big man who attempts some three's, Jokic's PER was 9th in the league... ahead of Curry, KAT, Cousins, Wall, Butler.... ect... ect....

The dude is a stud. Now you can certainly argue that the rest of the cast Murray, Harris, Muiday ect.... isn't as strong as PHX's - but I'm going to lean towards the team with the best player and still a good young core around him. Jokic is a safer bet to build a franchise around than anyone on Phoenix right now.

Well you just build your positionless small ball lineup around Jokic. I'll build mine around Booker. Please don't forget to put "IMO" because that is all it is at the end of the day. IMO, Booker is a safer bet.

[Preacherpj]

That is how I look at it too. CORE was the word. Not one player or two.

Potential

1. Minny
2. Milwaukee
3. Phoenix
4. Philly purely on potential....dudes haven't played yet
5. Sac
6. LAL
7. Bos
8. Denver

Jokic is worthless defensively.....less than Booker by a mile. I'm not sold on him one bit. He is old school.

Well not all players of a 'CORE' are created equal. I don't know how you aren't sold on Jokic one bit, but love Booker - Jokic right now is the superior player to Booker; now Booker is a year younger, but he's got a long ways to go to catch up with Jokic offensively.

Jokic's TS% was .640!! that's 4th best in the NBA, right behind Durant and this is big man who attempts some three's, Jokic's PER was 9th in the league... ahead of Curry, KAT, Cousins, Wall, Butler.... ect... ect....

The dude is a stud. Now you can certainly argue that the rest of the cast Murray, Harris, Muiday ect.... isn't as strong as PHX's - but I'm going to lean towards the team with the best player and still a good young core around him. Jokic is a safer bet to build a franchise around than anyone on Phoenix right now.

Well you just build your positionless small ball lineup around Jokic. I'll build mine around Booker. Please don't forget to put "IMO" because that is all it is at the end of the day. IMO, Booker is a safer bet.

Except a lot of this isn't opinion, statistically by just about every measure Jokic is a better player than Booker, in many cases statistically far better. That's not 'opinion' that's data; he's a better player, both in raw numbers and advanced analytics. Jokic is better. Doesn't mean Booker isn't a really good young player, but he's got work to do to get to Jokic's level. I can't imagine you'd find more than a few non-Phoenix fans who really follow the league that would take Booker currently over Jokic, but maybe I'm wrong on that -- but I doubt it.

Also, I think people go overboard with the idea of 'new NBA' and Positionless basketball' its possible to swing too far on that pendulum. Its not like KAT is a great fit defensively for a small-ball league, but he's a stud so it doesn't matter.

[Preacherpj]

I just tend to think we might be overrating Booker right now; when I listen to good basketball podcasts a lot of national guys really don't look at Booker like we do; they see a bit of an inefficient gunner that doesn't play a lick of defense.

A good player? Yes. A good building block? Absolutely. A star? Ehhhh... maybe.

[Preacherpj]

That is how I look at it too. CORE was the word. Not one player or two.

Potential

1. Minny
2. Milwaukee
3. Phoenix
4. Philly purely on potential....dudes haven't played yet
5. Sac
6. LAL
7. Bos
8. Denver

Jokic is worthless defensively.....less than Booker by a mile. I'm not sold on him one bit. He is old school.

Well not all players of a 'CORE' are created equal. I don't know how you aren't sold on Jokic one bit, but love Booker - Jokic right now is the superior player to Booker; now Booker is a year younger, but he's got a long ways to go to catch up with Jokic offensively.

Jokic's TS% was .640!! that's 4th best in the NBA, right behind Durant and this is big man who attempts some three's, Jokic's PER was 9th in the league... ahead of Curry, KAT, Cousins, Wall, Butler.... ect... ect....

The dude is a stud. Now you can certainly argue that the rest of the cast Murray, Harris, Muiday ect.... isn't as strong as PHX's - but I'm going to lean towards the team with the best player and still a good young core around him. Jokic is a safer bet to build a franchise around than anyone on Phoenix right now.

Well you just build your positionless small ball lineup around Jokic. I'll build mine around Booker. Please don't forget to put "IMO" because that is all it is at the end of the day. IMO, Booker is a safer bet.

I'll also add that Jokic's ability to pass and move the ball is a great fit offensively for what teams are trying to do in today's game. He's one of the best passing big men in the league.

[rsavaj]

I just tend to think we might be overrating Booker right now; when I listen to good basketball podcasts a lot of national guys really don't look at Booker like we do; they see a bit of an inefficient gunner that doesn't play a lick of defense.

A good player? Yes. A good building block? Absolutely. A star? Ehhhh... maybe.

That's because he is an inefficient gunner who can't play defense....right now.

Key word is right now. Dude is still so, so young. With the right coaching and with more development, he can turn into an efficient gunner who doesn't hurt you on defense. Maybe he can also get his handles up to the point where he can even be a 2ndary creator/facilitator.

Book has all the tools. He just needs to mature. Not saying he's penciled in for stardom, because it's no sure thing, but he has a shot at it for sure.

[kennydorglas]

I just tend to think we might be overrating Booker right now; when I listen to good basketball podcasts a lot of national guys really don't look at Booker like we do; they see a bit of an inefficient gunner that doesn't play a lick of defense.

A good player? Yes. A good building block? Absolutely. A star? Ehhhh... maybe.

That's because he is an inefficient gunner who can't play defense....right now.

Key word is right now. Dude is still so, so young. With the right coaching and with more development, he can turn into an efficient gunner who doesn't hurt you on defense. Maybe he can also get his handles up to the point where he can even be a 2ndary creator/facilitator.

Book has all the tools. He just needs to mature. Not saying he's penciled in for stardom, because it's no sure thing, but he has a shot at it for sure.

Yeah, pretty weird to see a guy with such a quick feet, but cant stay in front of anyone on defense. He needs to watch how JJ Redick defends 24/7. If Redick can do it, he'll too.

[JMac1]

Well not all players of a 'CORE' are created equal. I don't know how you aren't sold on Jokic one bit, but love Booker - Jokic right now is the superior player to Booker; now Booker is a year younger, but he's got a long ways to go to catch up with Jokic offensively.

Jokic's TS% was .640!! that's 4th best in the NBA, right behind Durant and this is big man who attempts some three's, Jokic's PER was 9th in the league... ahead of Curry, KAT, Cousins, Wall, Butler.... ect... ect....

The dude is a stud. Now you can certainly argue that the rest of the cast Murray, Harris, Muiday ect.... isn't as strong as PHX's - but I'm going to lean towards the team with the best player and still a good young core around him. Jokic is a safer bet to build a franchise around than anyone on Phoenix right now.

Well you just build your positionless small ball lineup around Jokic. I'll build mine around Booker. Please don't forget to put "IMO" because that is all it is at the end of the day. IMO, Booker is a safer bet.

Except a lot of this isn't opinion, statistically by just about every measure Jokic is a better player than Booker, in many cases statistically far better. That's not 'opinion' that's data; he's a better player, both in raw numbers and advanced analytics. Jokic is better. Doesn't mean Booker isn't a really good young player, but he's got work to do to get to Jokic's level. I can't imagine you'd find more than a few non-Phoenix fans who really follow the league that would take Booker currently over Jokic, but maybe I'm wrong on that -- but I doubt it.

Also, I think people go overboard with the idea of 'new NBA' and Positionless basketball' its possible to swing too far on that pendulum. Its not like KAT is a great fit defensively for a small-ball league, but he's a stud so it doesn't matter.

I stopped reading there.

[Preacherpj]

Well you just build your positionless small ball lineup around Jokic. I'll build mine around Booker. Please don't forget to put "IMO" because that is all it is at the end of the day. IMO, Booker is a safer bet.

Except a lot of this isn't opinion, statistically by just about every measure Jokic is a better player than Booker, in many cases statistically far better. That's not 'opinion' that's data; he's a better player, both in raw numbers and advanced analytics. Jokic is better. Doesn't mean Booker isn't a really good young player, but he's got work to do to get to Jokic's level. I can't imagine you'd find more than a few non-Phoenix fans who really follow the league that would take Booker currently over Jokic, but maybe I'm wrong on that -- but I doubt it.

Also, I think people go overboard with the idea of 'new NBA' and Positionless basketball' its possible to swing too far on that pendulum. Its not like KAT is a great fit defensively for a small-ball league, but he's a stud so it doesn't matter.

I stopped reading there.

Its too bad, you missed a quality post lol.

[JMac1]

Except a lot of this isn't opinion, statistically by just about every measure Jokic is a better player than Booker, in many cases statistically far better. That's not 'opinion' that's data; he's a better player, both in raw numbers and advanced analytics. Jokic is better. Doesn't mean Booker isn't a really good young player, but he's got work to do to get to Jokic's level. I can't imagine you'd find more than a few non-Phoenix fans who really follow the league that would take Booker currently over Jokic, but maybe I'm wrong on that -- but I doubt it.

Also, I think people go overboard with the idea of 'new NBA' and Positionless basketball' its possible to swing too far on that pendulum. Its not like KAT is a great fit defensively for a small-ball league, but he's a stud so it doesn't matter.

I stopped reading there.

Its too bad, you missed a quality post lol.

Its too bad you started your prior post saying that you preferring Jokic over Booker to build a team around isn't opinion. I'd didn't LOl. I ignored your post so I didn't have to use the

[Preacherpj]

I stopped reading there.

Its too bad, you missed a quality post lol.

Its too bad you started your prior post saying that you preferring Jokic over Booker to build a team around isn't opinion. I'd didn't LOl. I ignored your post so I didn't have to use the

I said he's the better player, and used overwhelming statistical evidence as the proof of that. The numbers paint a very convincing picture of this, and those numbers aren't opinions was my point, its actual data.

No worries if you want to disagree with that, discourse is what these forums are for!! If you don't want to read my posts, just don't read them, you don't need to make a post, replying to my post, saying you didn't read my post lol!!

[JMac1]

Its too bad, you missed a quality post lol.

Its too bad you started your prior post saying that you preferring Jokic over Booker to build a team around isn't opinion. I'd didn't LOl. I ignored your post so I didn't have to use the

I said he's the better player, and used overwhelming statistical evidence as the proof of that. The numbers paint a very convincing picture of this, and those numbers aren't opinions was my point, its actual data.

No worries if you want to disagree with that, discourse is what these forums are for!! If you don't want to read my posts, just don't read them, you don't need to make a post, replying to my post, saying you didn't read my post lol!!

I'm not reading ridiculousness. You can interpret data however you please, there is no data saying Jokic is a better fit for today's game than Booker. They play two different positions, so using data to support your opinion is flawed. The only data that matters is not one team that is competing for a title is being lead by a slow footed inside playing PF/C that cannot guard anything outside of Marc Gasol.....

Jokic is horrible for today's game. Good stat stuffer, but yesterday's news. Glad you aren't building this team. You'd trade Booker for Jokic.....yuck!!

[Preacherpj]

The fact that we have one of the best young cores in basketball is the exciting part..... go back and look at the 2012-2013 crapfest that Ryan McDonough inherited......

The top 9 players per minuets played in that rotation were;
Dragic
Scola
Dudley
PJ Tucker
Gortat
Markief Morris
Beasley
Shannon Brown
Jermaine Oneal

the youngest player on that team was 21 year old Kendall Marshall!!

What a disaster of a roster, and we've gone from that to now having; Booker, Chriss, Bender, Warren, Jackson, Ulis, Bledsoe, Len, Sauce, Reed, Peters and two future Miami picks. Its been quite the overhaul.

[Preacherpj]

Its too bad you started your prior post saying that you preferring Jokic over Booker to build a team around isn't opinion. I'd didn't LOl. I ignored your post so I didn't have to use the

I said he's the better player, and used overwhelming statistical evidence as the proof of that. The numbers paint a very convincing picture of this, and those numbers aren't opinions was my point, its actual data.

No worries if you want to disagree with that, discourse is what these forums are for!! If you don't want to read my posts, just don't read them, you don't need to make a post, replying to my post, saying you didn't read my post lol!!

I'm not reading ridiculousness. You can interpret data however you please, there is no data saying Jokic is a better fit for today's game than Booker. They play two different positions, so using data to support your opinion is flawed. The only data that matters is not one team that is competing for a title is being lead by a slow footed inside playing PF/C that cannot guard anything outside of Marc Gasol.....

Jokic is horrible for today's game. Good stat stuffer, but yesterday's news. Glad you aren't building this team. You'd trade Booker for Jokic.....yuck!!

the idea that you truly believe;

"Jokic is horrible for today's game, good stat stuffer, but yesterday's news"................. is crazy to me. I don't even know how to respond to that level of silliness.

And yes, I probably would trade Booker straight up for him in a vacuum, its much harder to find 6-10 guys like Jokic than it is to find 6-6 guys like Booker, it just is. SGs are easier to find. Now because he's in Phoenix, the FO has put his face everywhere, the fans have over the top man-crushes on him (looking at you!)... I probably wouldn't do that deal anymore..... but you'd be hard-pressed to find many non-Phoenix fans who watch basketball that would agree with you.

You really need to watch him more if you think he's a horrible fit for today's game, as I've already said his TS% is ridiculous and his ability to pass and be a playmaker as a 6-10 forwards opens up a lot of offense for teams that want to space the floor.

[NTB]

The fact that we have one of the best young cores in basketball is the exciting part..... go back and look at the 2012-2013 crapfest that Ryan McDonough inherited......

The top 9 players per minuets played in that rotation were;
Dragic
Scola
Dudley
PJ Tucker
Gortat
Markief Morris
Beasley
Shannon Brown
Jermaine Oneal

the youngest player on that team was 21 year old Kendall Marshall!!

[JMac1]

I said he's the better player, and used overwhelming statistical evidence as the proof of that. The numbers paint a very convincing picture of this, and those numbers aren't opinions was my point, its actual data.

No worries if you want to disagree with that, discourse is what these forums are for!! If you don't want to read my posts, just don't read them, you don't need to make a post, replying to my post, saying you didn't read my post lol!!

I'm not reading ridiculousness. You can interpret data however you please, there is no data saying Jokic is a better fit for today's game than Booker. They play two different positions, so using data to support your opinion is flawed. The only data that matters is not one team that is competing for a title is being lead by a slow footed inside playing PF/C that cannot guard anything outside of Marc Gasol.....

Jokic is horrible for today's game. Good stat stuffer, but yesterday's news. Glad you aren't building this team. You'd trade Booker for Jokic.....yuck!!

the idea that you truly believe;

"Jokic is horrible for today's game, good stat stuffer, but yesterday's news"................. is crazy to me. I don't even know how to respond to that level of silliness.

And yes, I probably would trade Booker straight up for him in a vacuum, its much harder to find 6-10 guys like Jokic than it is to find 6-6 guys like Booker, it just is. SGs are easier to find. Now because he's in Phoenix, the FO has put his face everywhere, the fans have over the top man-crushes on him (looking at you!)... I probably wouldn't do that deal anymore..... but you'd be hard-pressed to find many non-Phoenix fans who watch basketball that would agree with you.

You really need to watch him more if you think he's a horrible fit for today's game, as I've already said his TS% is ridiculous and his ability to pass and be a playmaker as a 6-10 forwards opens up a lot of offense for teams that want to space the floor.

You continue with that TS% all you want. I am not trying to convince you to want Booker or any other non-Phoenix fans (my favorite saying when someone here doesn't agree with a Suns' fan here). I don't give a damn what anyone thinks. I don't like Jokic over Booker. Why do you insist on going over this? I saw Jokic play and he didn't move the needle with me. KP does, even though I prefer Booker. KAT does. Wiggins does. Embiid does. Jokic does not. I have been around long enough to know what I like and who makes me go damn! Not Jokic. If you think it is because he is white and slow......wrong. BIrd was the ****. He made me go Damn....lol....damn..I can't believe he did that, that dude is one of the best.

Jokic ain't Shaq. Hakeem. Ewing. Duncan. Barkley. Malone. KG. Kat. KP. Cousins. AD. etc etc etc... He is Jokic. He average 18.7 pts per game and 9.8 rebs... Pick him all you want because of his WORP, TS, RPM, DSD, KPR, what ever else PER... I don't care.

He doesn't move the needle. Booker does... he is a SG and he SHOOTS. I know people have problems with his effeciecny and would love to get rid of him, as they would have a young KD or Kobe or Harden or AI or any other young gunner who had to learn the game before they could become a better ball player.

Take Jokic 2 foot bunny shooting, slow footed, no jumping, boring, slow pace, feed him in the post stagnant playing ass and enjoy! And you can get everyone outside of this forum to join you, I don't care.