Official "Damn Bam" Adebayo thread

[RexBoyWonder]

It's quite amusing that four days after the draft Bam has now been compared to some combination of Kemp-Dwight-Ibaka when most had out the torches and pitchforks immediately following the pick.

Well duh.........

We wanted an MJ/Wade/Robinson combination.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

No. Ibaka didn't have the defensive potential Adebayo has and Ibaka is not nearly as physical.

Prime Serge was a dpoy candidate, no? Also on all NBA defense 1st and 2nd teams? Not nearly as physical? Didn't Ibaka get called for a lot of fouls and blocked a lot of shots and stuff? I'm not talking about the husk that's on the Raptors. Okc Serge was pretty damn good.

3 times all nba 1st team.

led nba in blocks 4 years in a row

Just because a player blocks shots doesn't mean they're a physical player. He draws a poor amount of fouls for a big man while Adebayo could be the type of player that gets the other team's bigs in foul trouble.

[KingDavid]

Prime Serge was a dpoy candidate, no? Also on all NBA defense 1st and 2nd teams? Not nearly as physical? Didn't Ibaka get called for a lot of fouls and blocked a lot of shots and stuff? I'm not talking about the husk that's on the Raptors. Okc Serge was pretty damn good.

3 times all nba 1st team.

led nba in blocks 4 years in a row

Just because a player blocks shots doesn't mean they're a physical player. He draws a poor amount of fouls for a big man while Adebayo could be the type of player that gets the other team's bigs in foul trouble.

Serge is more of a pick and pop shooter now and I think Pat and the staff want to transition Bam in that direction; hence all the shooting and ball handling in his workouts. However, again, ibaka's first few years in OKC was him taking most of his shot attempts around the basket. I don't remember him having a reputation of avoiding contact. He was able to hit free throws starting his sophomore year. Bam won't be drawing those kinds of fouls at that college rate against NBA bigs. Bam was a bad (65%) ft shooter in college. I think teams purposefully fouled him to force him to shoot free throws. We'll find out July 1st.

[greg4012]

3 times all nba 1st team.

led nba in blocks 4 years in a row

Just because a player blocks shots doesn't mean they're a physical player. He draws a poor amount of fouls for a big man while Adebayo could be the type of player that gets the other team's bigs in foul trouble.

Serge is more of a pick and pop shooter and I think Pat and the staff want to transition Bam in that direction; hence all the shooting and ball handling in his workouts. He won't be drawing those kinds of fouls at that college rate against NBA bigs. Bam was a bad (65%) ft shooter in college. I think teams purposefully fouled him to force him to shoot free throws. We'll find out July 1st.

I didn't get that sense whatsoever from watching Kentucky games. Watch how he plays and he just elevates thru traffic and finishes. Miami will definitely try to develop his pick and pop game and his shooting range. But, he's not going to suddenly stop being a physical finisher. Dude is 250 pounds at the age of 19, was the best finisher in college basketball this past year, and just broke Kentucky's record for most dunks in a season.

[KingDavid]

Just because a player blocks shots doesn't mean they're a physical player. He draws a poor amount of fouls for a big man while Adebayo could be the type of player that gets the other team's bigs in foul trouble.

Serge is more of a pick and pop shooter and I think Pat and the staff want to transition Bam in that direction; hence all the shooting and ball handling in his workouts. He won't be drawing those kinds of fouls at that college rate against NBA bigs. Bam was a bad (65%) ft shooter in college. I think teams purposefully fouled him to force him to shoot free throws. We'll find out July 1st.

I didn't get that sense whatsoever from watching Kentucky games. Watch how he plays and he just elevates thru traffic and finishes. Miami will definitely try to develop his pick and pop game and his shooting range. But, he's not going to suddenly stop being a physical finisher. Dude is 250 pounds at the age of 19, was the best finisher in college basketball this past year, and just broke Kentucky's record for most dunks in a season.

I edited that post.

I don't know mg head from my own ass about Bam other than highlights, the shooting workouts, and some of the games where I didn't pay as much attention to him as I did his teammates. He had a LOT of dunks set up for him and he can lay some great screens. I don't think that free throw rate trend will continue against other bigs that are just as big, bigger, powerful, and athletic. Just an assumption though, based on nothing. I'd be very glad if and when he proves me wrong.

I never said anything about him going away from his physicality. Ibaka took most of his shots 0-3ft for OKC in his first few years. It turned out better for them when he started taking shots in the midrange instead of clogging it inside. That's the Ibaka I'm talking about. Not this 45 year old on the Raps. Lol

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Serge is more of a pick and pop shooter and I think Pat and the staff want to transition Bam in that direction; hence all the shooting and ball handling in his workouts. He won't be drawing those kinds of fouls at that college rate against NBA bigs. Bam was a bad (65%) ft shooter in college. I think teams purposefully fouled him to force him to shoot free throws. We'll find out July 1st.

I didn't get that sense whatsoever from watching Kentucky games. Watch how he plays and he just elevates thru traffic and finishes. Miami will definitely try to develop his pick and pop game and his shooting range. But, he's not going to suddenly stop being a physical finisher. Dude is 250 pounds at the age of 19, was the best finisher in college basketball this past year, and just broke Kentucky's record for most dunks in a season.

I edited that post.

I don't know mg head from my own ass about Bam other than highlights, the shooting workouts, and some of the games where I didn't pay as much attention to him as I did his teammates. He had a LOT of dunks set up for him and he can lay some great screens. I don't think that free throw rate trend will continue against other bigs that are just as big, bigger, powerful, and athletic. Just an assumption though, based on nothing. I'd be very glad if and when he proves me wrong.

I never said anything about him going away from his physicality. Ibaka took most of his shots 0-3ft for OKC in his first few years. It turned out better for them when he started taking shots in the midrange instead of clogging it inside. That's the Ibaka I'm talking about. Not this 45 year old on the Raps. Lol

Adebayo won't be getting to the line nearly as often as he did in college but he's more likely than not going to be able to throw up 15 shots and get to the line 6-7 times a game. Also, who at the PF position is just as big, bigger, powerful, and athletic as Bam? Oh and won't be a liability on the court? Looked up some heights and weights here.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/bio/?sort=PLAYER_WEIGHT&dir=1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-7&PlayerPosition=F&StarterBench=Starters&Weight=GT%20250

Looked for starters who weighed more than 250 and taller than 6'7 at the forward position. Most of the players there aren't even power forwards. Millsap's missing but he might weigh less than 250 or shorter than 6'8.

[KingDavid]

I didn't get that sense whatsoever from watching Kentucky games. Watch how he plays and he just elevates thru traffic and finishes. Miami will definitely try to develop his pick and pop game and his shooting range. But, he's not going to suddenly stop being a physical finisher. Dude is 250 pounds at the age of 19, was the best finisher in college basketball this past year, and just broke Kentucky's record for most dunks in a season.

I edited that post.

I don't know mg head from my own ass about Bam other than highlights, the shooting workouts, and some of the games where I didn't pay as much attention to him as I did his teammates. He had a LOT of dunks set up for him and he can lay some great screens. I don't think that free throw rate trend will continue against other bigs that are just as big, bigger, powerful, and athletic. Just an assumption though, based on nothing. I'd be very glad if and when he proves me wrong.

I never said anything about him going away from his physicality. Ibaka took most of his shots 0-3ft for OKC in his first few years. It turned out better for them when he started taking shots in the midrange instead of clogging it inside. That's the Ibaka I'm talking about. Not this 45 year old on the Raps. Lol

Adebayo won't be getting to the line nearly as often as he did in college but he's more likely than not going to be able to throw up 15 shots and get to the line 6-7 times a game. Also, who at the PF position is just as big, bigger, powerful, and athletic as Bam? Oh and won't be a liability on the court? Looked up some heights and weights here.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/bio/?sort=PLAYER_WEIGHT&dir=1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-7&PlayerPosition=F&StarterBench=Starters&Weight=GT%20250

Looked for starters who weighed more than 250 and taller than 6'7 at the forward position. Most of the players there aren't even power forwards. Millsap's missing but he might weigh less than 250 or shorter than 6'8.

I think Willie Reed is gone and Bam is going to take his place at backup C. I do not think the guy who had the most dunks and scored large majority of his points at the basket is going to start next to Whiteside and clog the lane. Even if you do have him starting, I don't think he's going to average 3 more field goal attempts than Hassan Whiteside does (12). I don't think he's going to average 6-7 free throw attempts, yet alone 6-7 trips to the line per game which would place Bam in the range of some of the most offensively gifted players in the sport.

Bam isn't some post-offense threat. The parameters you linked are kind of unnecessary. There's plenty of guys around the league that can guard him on the block whether he's next to Hassan or off the bench. This isn't the 90s, it's a pick and roll league. The only guy starting next to Hassan is the one who can space the floor. If Bam's shooting workout success turns out to be the real deal, it'll be him. I just don't see it otherwise.

[Mars]

Not sure how anyone can listen to Bam's former Kentucky assistant coach discuss his game on "Zaslow Rom & Amber" and not come away a bit amped at the prospect of what could be there.

To summarize:

• Sacrificed his individual game at Kentucky for the team - check
• Skilled player - check
• Face up game - check
• Shooting - check
• Three-point range - check
• Willing and able passer - check
• Ability to play off Hassan - check
• Coachable - check
• Compared him to Shawn Kemp - check
• On the court working out at midnight after landing back in Kentucky following HEAT press conference - check

...I'm just the messenger.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

I edited that post.

I don't know mg head from my own ass about Bam other than highlights, the shooting workouts, and some of the games where I didn't pay as much attention to him as I did his teammates. He had a LOT of dunks set up for him and he can lay some great screens. I don't think that free throw rate trend will continue against other bigs that are just as big, bigger, powerful, and athletic. Just an assumption though, based on nothing. I'd be very glad if and when he proves me wrong.

I never said anything about him going away from his physicality. Ibaka took most of his shots 0-3ft for OKC in his first few years. It turned out better for them when he started taking shots in the midrange instead of clogging it inside. That's the Ibaka I'm talking about. Not this 45 year old on the Raps. Lol

Adebayo won't be getting to the line nearly as often as he did in college but he's more likely than not going to be able to throw up 15 shots and get to the line 6-7 times a game. Also, who at the PF position is just as big, bigger, powerful, and athletic as Bam? Oh and won't be a liability on the court? Looked up some heights and weights here.

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/bio/?sort=PLAYER_WEIGHT&dir=1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Height=GT%206-7&PlayerPosition=F&StarterBench=Starters&Weight=GT%20250

Looked for starters who weighed more than 250 and taller than 6'7 at the forward position. Most of the players there aren't even power forwards. Millsap's missing but he might weigh less than 250 or shorter than 6'8.

I think Willie Reed is gone and Bam is going to take his place at backup C. I do not think the guy who had the most dunks and scored large majority of his points at the basket is going to start next to Whiteside and clog the lane. Even if you do have him starting, I don't think he's going to average 3 more field goal attempts than Hassan Whiteside does (12). I don't think he's going to average 6-7 free throw attempts, yet alone 6-7 trips to the line per game which would place Bam in the range of some of the most offensively gifted players in the sport.

Bam isn't some post-offense threat. The parameters you linked are kind of unnecessary. There's plenty of guys around the league that can guard him on the block whether he's next to Hassan or off the bench. This isn't the 90s, it's a pick and roll league. The only guy starting next to Hassan is the one who can space the floor. If Bam's shooting workout success turns out to be the real deal, it'll be him. I just don't see it otherwise.

Most PFs/Cs(99%) increase their range in the NBA, the same will happen with Adebayo. 60% of AD's shots were at the rim in college. Rookie season, it went down 46.9%. Also, I'm not talking about Adebayo taking 6+ fta his rookie season. It'd probably take him 3-4 years to comfortably take that many shots and yes I'm saying that Adebayo could be an offensively gifted player, especially if he can make 3's. Also, if Adebayo becomes a star there won't be many players around who can defend him.

[Mos_Heat]

Looks like Bam is a star in the making

terrific pick

[heat4life]

Basketball karma? We need an overlooked/underappreciated stud PF/C to bring the Zo and Bosh health disasters full circle.

[ZoStrong]

It's quite amusing that four days after the draft Bam has now been compared to some combination of Kemp-Dwight-Ibaka when most had out the torches and pitchforks immediately following the pick.

The name "Kemp" wad dropped by the Godfather himself. Riley said Bam reminded him of Kemp.

Look, a big guy in my local gym who can't post up a 5'7" guy always reminds me of LeBron.
Does that mean he has the same skills as the best player of the current NBA?
It just means the management hyping up their selection, hoping for the best.

If Bam turns into a poor man's version of the Reign Man, that 's still a good pick at 14.

[radikalBaller]

Generally Riley still lives in the 80S/90s and sucks at drafting bigs, wayne simiens, dexter pittman, wanted Kaman over wade, jarvis varnado, robert dozier, micheal beasley, matt freije, jerome beasley...and so on...

[Mars]

...The name "Kemp" wad dropped by the Godfather himself. Riley said Bam reminded him of Kemp...

I'm well aware of that. Review the thread. Get back at me.

[dshearn]

He strongly dislikes being compared to Dwight Howard.

I watched a lot of his highlights from college this morning; which is basically worthless. But Serge Ibaka is his ceiling, not Shawn Kemp. Bam is fluid and has surprisingly good footwork, but Kemp was a different breed of player.

that would be a decent celling for the end of the lottery.


He is likely to be a bigger, stronger then Serge. Lets hope he has the instinct and skills to go along with it.

[RJM]

Generally Riley still lives in the 80S/90s and sucks at drafting bigs, wayne simiens, dexter pittman, wanted Kaman over wade, jarvis varnado, robert dozier, micheal beasley, matt freije, jerome beasley...and so on...

Even with that Final Four triple-double, Wade wasn't who you typically wanted. Kaman seemed more of a sure thing.

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Wayne Simien would have been a solid PF next to Shaq when he was drafted, but he ran into some bad luck, injuries, and a veteran hierarchy under a veteran coach when he was drafted. You gotta understand, when Wayne Simien was drafted, SVG was still the coach, who was much more open to playing younger players. Then Riley swung that mega-trade for Walker, Posey, and Williams.

Then, Riley took over about 10 games in. As a rookie, he wasn't getting minutes ahead of Walker, Haslem, or Posey. I distinctly remember a solid performance from Wayne one night vs. Indiana when UD got thrown out after a brief dust-up with Jermaine O'Neal. Didn't fill up the stat sheet, but played very well.

He was supposed to improve, but he caught salmonella that offseason. Didn't do much as a result the next year, then got traded to Minnesota, where he blew out his knee and that was the game. Wayne was a born-again Christian, so he eventually quit pro ball after a stint in Europe in order to join the ministry. No question, he was a HEAT player in the sense that there was both talent and character there at the 29th pick in 2005.

Matt Freije was the 53rd pick in 2004. Everyone else after that pick was trash. Robert Dozier was the 60th pick in 2009. Come on. Jarvis Varnado? Meh, there was really no one else in that 2010 draft beyond #39.

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Michael Beasley's time in Miami was seemingly doomed from the start. A clash of culture, a first-year coach, the insistence on playing him at PF instead of SF where he flourished in Minnesota before that all fell apart over there.

All draft picks are risks. It happens.

[KingDavid]

It's quite amusing that four days after the draft Bam has now been compared to some combination of Kemp-Dwight-Ibaka when most had out the torches and pitchforks immediately following the pick.

The name "Kemp" wad dropped by the Godfather himself. Riley said Bam reminded him of Kemp.

Look, a big guy in my local gym who can't post up a 5'7" guy always reminds me of LeBron.
Does that mean he has the same skills as the best player of the current NBA?
It just means the management hyping up their selection, hoping for the best.

If Bam turns into a poor man's version of the Reign Man, that 's still a good pick at 14.

That could be 2011 Finals Lebron.

[twix2500]

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Bam ability in the open court uptempo setting.

[HeatIn5]

Generally Riley still lives in the 80S/90s and sucks at drafting bigs, wayne simiens, dexter pittman, wanted Kaman over wade, jarvis varnado, robert dozier, micheal beasley, matt freije, jerome beasley...and so on...

Even with that Final Four triple-double, Wade wasn't who you typically wanted. Kaman seemed more of a sure thing.

Watch on YouTube

Wayne Simien would have been a solid PF next to Shaq when he was drafted, but he ran into some bad luck, injuries, and a veteran hierarchy under a veteran coach when he was drafted. You gotta understand, when Wayne Simien was drafted, SVG was still the coach, who was much more open to playing younger players. Then Riley swung that mega-trade for Walker, Posey, and Williams.

Then, Riley took over about 10 games in. As a rookie, he wasn't getting minutes ahead of Walker, Haslem, or Posey. I distinctly remember a solid performance from Wayne one night vs. Indiana when UD got thrown out after a brief dust-up with Jermaine O'Neal. Didn't fill up the stat sheet, but played very well.

He was supposed to improve, but he caught salmonella that offseason. Didn't do much as a result the next year, then got traded to Minnesota, where he blew out his knee and that was the game. Wayne was a born-again Christian, so he eventually quit pro ball after a stint in Europe in order to join the ministry. No question, he was a HEAT player in the sense that there was both talent and character there at the 29th pick in 2005.

Matt Freije was the 53rd pick in 2004. Everyone else after that pick was trash. Robert Dozier was the 60th pick in 2009. Come on. Jarvis Varnado? Meh, there was really no one else in that 2010 draft beyond #39.

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Michael Beasley's time in Miami was seemingly doomed from the start. A clash of culture, a first-year coach, the insistence on playing him at PF instead of SF where he flourished in Minnesota before that all fell apart over there.

All draft picks are risks. It happens.

This. It is also very hard to claim that riley is stuck in the 80's and 90s when he has built 2 dominant runs in the 2000's and 2010's.

[BIRDMAN BIRDMAN]

Had it been well known around the league of Bam's "hidden range" he has now that the Hornets and us reportedly got to see, no question he would've went top 7.