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Who would you take at 3 if Ayton/Doncic gone?

Bamba
9
13%
Bagley
11
16%
Jackson
9
13%
Porter
25
36%
Young
16
23%
 
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Post#1 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:33 am

Edit - Poll results...first poll early college season - who to take at #1 - 53% Doncic, 35% Ayton

Second poll a month into college season - who to take at #3 if Doncic/Ayton gone - 45% Young, 28% Bagley, 17% Porter

Third poll at beginning of new year for #1 pick - 47% Doncic, 23% Ayton, 15% Young

Fourth poll end of January - Bamba vs Jackson 50/50

Fifth poll early February - Porter vs Bagley 67% Porter 33% Bagley

Payton trade:

Sixth poll mid February - Ayton vs Young at 2 if Doncic gone 62% Ayton 34% Young 4% Other

Seventh poll mid-late February - Ayton vs Doncic at 1....50/50...





2018 NBA draft preview - by Chad Ford

NBA teams are already prepping for the 2018 NBA draft.

The 2017 draft was one of the deepest at the top we've ever seen, with as many as 10 or 11 potential All-Stars in it.

The 2018 draft is just as exciting or more at the very top, but after that it drops off pretty dramatically.

Here's a sneak preview of what to expect.


1. Michael Porter Jr.
Missouri
Forward
Freshman
6-foot-10, 216 pounds

Porter is a prototypical NBA wing with great size, length and athleticism. He has a very good feel for the game, deep range on his jumper and the ability to be a playmaker.

He lacks elite strength and can be an inconsistent rebounder and defender, but he's a unique and potentially devastating offensive weapon.

2. Luka Doncic
Slovenia
Guard/forward
Age: 18
6-7, 190

Doncic may be the most highly regarded international prospect ever. At the age of 18, he's already playing a significant role on a Euroleague final four team. That's unheard of.

He's an offensive whiz kid. He has an elite feel for the game and has no real weaknesses in his skill set. He can shoot, create his own shot and handle the ball.

He doesn't have elite athleticism, though he's not a bad athlete. Still, he's not of the caliber you typically find in a potential No. 1 pick.

He and Porter are the heavy favorites to go No. 1 and 2, in some order, with the league split basically 50-50 right now.

3. DeAndre Ayton
Arizona
Forward/center
Freshman
7-0, 220

Ayton was the No. 1 prospect in this class until Porter and Doncic passed him.

There's a lot there to love. Ayton has great size and length for his position. He's a terrific athlete who can score from anywhere on the floor, and he's also a good shot blocker.

He needs to get stronger and show more toughness in the paint, but the physical tools and skills are all there.

4. Mohamed Bamba
Texas
Center
Freshman
7-0, 216

Bamba has the chance to be a game-changing defensive presence in the NBA. He has a ridiculous 7-foot-9 wing span, and he's a fluid athlete with quick feet. He's an elite-level shot blocker who has some scouts comparing him to Rudy Gobert.

He needs to get stronger and polish his offensive game, but he's going to be a nightmare on the defensive end.

5. Miles Bridges
Michigan State
Forward
Sophomore
6-8, 230

Bridges would've been a lottery pick in 2017 but opted to return to Michigan State for his sophomore season and improve his stock.

He has all the physical tools NBA scouts look for -- strength, length, athleticism -- and a pretty sophisticated offensive game. He can shoot with distance, post up and handle the ball a little.

He had a strong freshman season, but if he takes it to the next level as a sophomore, he should be a lock for the top five.

Storylines to watch

Here are four themes to help you look ahead to next year's draft:

1. A top-heavy freshman class

Freshmen continue to have a huge impact because of the one-and-done rule. NBA Commissioner Adam Silver is trying to change that, but for now one-and-dones are the true stars of the draft.

In 2017, 11 freshmen went in the lottery. That's the most ever.

Another 16 freshmen went in the first round -- again, the most ever. In 2018, we are projecting another 11 college freshmen -- Porter, Ayton, Bamba, Kentucky's Kevin Knox, Alabama's Collin Sexton, MSU's Jaren Jackson, Oregon's Troy Brown, Duke's Trevon Duval, Kentucky's Hamidou Diallo, WKU's Mitchell Robinson and Kentucky's Jarred Vanderbilt -- for the lottery.

Several other freshmen -- including Duke's Wendall Carter, Miami's Lonnie Walker, Villanova's Omari Spellman, UNLV's Brandon McCoy, Louisville's Brian Bowen, UCLA's Jaylen Hand and Kentucky's P.J. Washington -- are possible first-rounders as well.

One big question about next year's draft is the depth of the quality beyond the first four names above.

2. Somewhat depleted sophomore and junior classes

Only a small handful of the top players decided to skip the 2017 draft and return to college. Just about everyone with a shot at the first round threw his hat into the ring. Only two returning college players -- Bridges and Texas A&M's Robert Williams -- ended up cracking our projected lottery picks for 2018.

Still, there are interesting returning players: Michigan's Moritz Wagner, KU's Malik Newman, USC's DeAnthony Melton, Texas' Andrew Jones, Maryland's Justin Jackson, Duke's Marques Bolden and Miami's Bruce Brown could all end up in middle of the first round and possibly higher with excellent seasons.

3. A solid crop of international prospects

The 2017 international draft class was quite weak. France's Frank Ntilikina was the only international player to go in the lottery. Only three international players went in the first round.

The 2018 international class is stronger, with Doncic potentially going No. 1. Germany's Isaac Bonga, Latvian wing Rodions Kurucs, Belgium's Kosta Mushidi and Bosnia's Dzanan Musa are among the other potential first-rounders.

4. Wings rule the draft

In 2018, wings take five spaces in our top 10.

Overall, we have five point guards, 12 wings (including three in the top five), seven power forwards, and six centers in our top 30.

The hunt for elite point guards will be especially difficult next year. We only have one ranked in the top 10 at the moment.

Draft pick inventory

Another key to look at as we assess the 2018 NBA Draft: Who has their picks, who has multiple picks and who is out of the draft?

The Celtics could end up landing yet another high lottery pick via the Nets. They own Brooklyn's pick outright in 2018. Unless the Nets make significant improvements this summer, this could end up being another top-3 pick for the Celtics.

The Celtics also have a shot at landing the Lakers' pick in 2018. They received the pick from Philly as part of the swap of No. 1 for No. 3. If the Lakers pick falls between Nos. 2-5, the Celtics get it. If the pick is No. 1 or Nos. 6-30, the Sixers get it.

(Sorry, Lakers' fans, the lottery can't save you this time. The Lakers have no chance of keeping the pick next year.)

The only team that is completely out of the draft next year is the Nets (barring trades).

Here's a look at other picks in 2018 that will or could be on the move:

The Celtics own the Nets' pick.

The Celtics own the Lakers' pick if it falls between Nos. 2-5.

The Sixers own the Lakers pick if it falls at No. 1 or from Nos. 6-30.

The Suns own Miami's pick if it falls between Nos. 8-30.

The Blazers own the Cavs' pick if it falls between Nos. 11-30.

The Hawks own the Wolves' pick if it falls between Nos. 15-30.

The Jazz own OKC's pick if it falls between Nos. 15-30.


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Post#2 » by nashrambler13 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:45 am

Was Doncic ever listed as a PG? Maybe this time last year? I could've sworn, because ever since I set my sights on JJ, I've had Luka pencilled in as our future PG (after we get lucky for the first time in franchise history and move from like ~8th best odds to a top 2 pick, of course) and last piece of the FINAL LINEUP.

Doncic
Booker
JJ
Chriss
Bender

I guess he's listed as a G/F now though :/
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Post#3 » by kennydorglas » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:47 am

Robert Williams.
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Post#4 » by DirtyDez » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:51 am

kennydorglas wrote:Robert Williams.


vs Ayton in PHX dec 5th
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Post#5 » by Dambo » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:23 am

Wait.. so we need miami to be good next season?
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Post#6 » by NTB » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:28 am

Dambo wrote:Wait.. so we need miami to be good next season?


Not too good though.
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Post#7 » by SC923 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:28 am

Ayton, Bamba or Williams. Just give us a mobile and athletic big that fits with what we are building.
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Post#8 » by kennydorglas » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:33 am

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kennydorglas wrote:Robert Williams.


vs Ayton in PHX dec 5th


yeah, this matchup will be pure non-sense.
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Post#9 » by ATTL » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:05 am

nashrambler13 wrote:Was Doncic ever listed as a PG? Maybe this time last year? I could've sworn, because ever since I set my sights on JJ, I've had Luka pencilled in as our future PG (after we get lucky for the first time in franchise history and move from like ~8th best odds to a top 2 pick, of course) and last piece of the FINAL LINEUP.

Doncic
Booker
JJ
Chriss
Bender

I guess he's listed as a G/F now though :/


I dont remember him being listed as a pg, I think I always remember him being a wing.

I think Duval is going to rise up the board a bit.


Right now my ideal 2018 draft would be to walk away with Ayton and Duval. Sign a vet in free agency and push for 2018-19 playoffs.
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Post#10 » by Mr Puddles » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:15 am

Mohamed Bamba is exactly the player we need to fill out our roster I feel.

Having Bamba work under the tutelage of Chandler, combined with the defensive intensity of JJ and versatility of Bender has the potential to be devastating IMO.

Porter and Doncic would be great simply for the sake that we need one more top level talent, but I have confidence that between Chriss, Warren, or another one of our young guys, and free agency, we should be able to have one more go-to scorer to complement Booker.
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Post#11 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:48 am

I'm not expecting much this draft as it looks pretty thin at the top similar to 2013 or 2016.

My favourite prospects are Bamba and Williams as defensive monsters with 7'5+ wingspans to pair with Jackson to patrol the paint and perimeter.
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Post#12 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:56 am

It's strange thinking in this one and done era, the team that broke the record for most regular season wins ever had three great players, two of which played 3 years in college and one that played 4 years. Hopefully Davon Reed is our Draymond Green of the backcourt being that experienced college guy that has a long wingspan and is hard nosed.
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Post#13 » by Spens1 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 4:59 am

hopefully its an expansion year. Seattle with whoever (st louis, kansas city, columbus idk) getting Doncic and Porter Jr would be good.

I think Ayton if he stays healthy though could be the #1 pick. Could be KG with a 3pt shot.
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Post#14 » by Bogyo » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:21 am

We are not likely getting a top 4 pick next year. Will be close, but unlikely. However, we could have 2 lottery picks with a bit of luck, or something like 6 and 15 with the Miami pick. Question is - can we turn that into a top4 pick getting Ayton or Bamba (whoever slips a bit). I would think that we have the tools with our, and Torontos 2nd rounders, but it could be tough to find the right trade partner who values 6+15+36+50 more than 3 or 4. As for loosing so many draft picks - we have more than enough young guys as it is, so: get it done McD! :)
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Post#15 » by DaleyBlind » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:32 am

Shoud be able to get a quality 4 or 5.
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Post#16 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:35 am

We could fit any of the top 4 into our lineup. Doncic should be the pick at 1. He can play the 1 even if he's listed as a 2. His playmaking is great.

Ayton is probably the best/most natural fit position-wise.
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Post#17 » by Qwigglez » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:22 am

Really hope our team is good enough to not finish in the bottom 3. :giveup:
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Post#18 » by sunsbg » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:02 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:We could fit any of the top 4 into our lineup. Doncic should be the pick at 1. He can play the 1 even if he's listed as a 2. His playmaking is great.

Ayton is probably the best/most natural fit position-wise.


From what I have seen so far, Bamba projects to be much better defender. Offensively he also has a huge potential. I like him better and think he could be the stopper for Embiid, Davis, Jokic, etc. this team will need for a playoff success.

Unfortunately the Suns will have to be at the bottom again to have a chance at him.
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Post#19 » by No-Man » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:14 pm

nashrambler13 wrote:Was Doncic ever listed as a PG? Maybe this time last year? I could've sworn, because ever since I set my sights on JJ, I've had Luka pencilled in as our future PG (after we get lucky for the first time in franchise history and move from like ~8th best odds to a top 2 pick, of course) and last piece of the FINAL LINEUP.

Doncic
Booker
JJ
Chriss
Bender

I guess he's listed as a G/F now though :/

Doncic is a point-forward, you'd have no hope on D with that backcourt.

Doncic is gonna be better at the 4 than anything, he is at around 6'8 right now but he was still growing this year, hopefully he gets to like 6'9 or 6'10 and has enough size to play there full-time.
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Post#20 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:08 pm

Fischella wrote:
nashrambler13 wrote:Was Doncic ever listed as a PG? Maybe this time last year? I could've sworn, because ever since I set my sights on JJ, I've had Luka pencilled in as our future PG (after we get lucky for the first time in franchise history and move from like ~8th best odds to a top 2 pick, of course) and last piece of the FINAL LINEUP.

Doncic
Booker
JJ
Chriss
Bender

I guess he's listed as a G/F now though :/

Doncic is a point-forward, you'd have no hope on D with that backcourt.

Doncic is gonna be better at the 4 than anything, he is at around 6'8 right now but he was still growing this year, hopefully he gets to like 6'9 or 6'10 and has enough size to play there full-time.


So just move Booker and JJ to guard spots and Doncic to forward. If he needs to guard PFs more than wings, start one of those bigs at C, bring one off then bench and start Warren at 3. If he is that good of facilitator you still have Booker/JJ who are also decent and should get better. Probably not full time without a true PG though...just certain lineups.

Though we probably have no chance at Doncic unless we get lucky and win the lottery, which has never happened.
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