Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central

[RexBoyWonder]

I hope Bam focuses on being a PF. He's sized for it and can do more to help Miami next to Whiteside as the best PF he can be.

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Just got waived. Cheap backup center.

We just drafted one. Until our offense (and talent) changes, our PFs need to be stretch 4s. That ain't Bam.

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Looks like a PF to me

[RexBoyWonder]

Let me just say that I don't expect Bam to kill it in SL, he's still at a point in his skill level that he needs others to help him create shots, and SL guards usually suck at that.

I think he'll look better playing next to vets, in a more controlled type game with a structured offense.

I do expect him to lock down guys on defense.

[RJM]

Let me just say that I don't expect Bam to kill it in SL, he's still at a point in his skill level that he needs others to help him create shots, and SL guards usually suck at that.

I think he'll look better playing next to vets, in a more controlled type game with a structured offense.

I do expect him to lock down guys on defense.

This. I expect an All-Rookie team selection next season. That Zaslow interview with the Kentucky assistant coach was telling. It's something to be said when a talented prospect joins a stacked squad but doesn't blow up. Takes a lot of teams by surprise when he's given the freedom to perform. MJ wasn't MJ in college. He was "Mike," the talented guard.

Coach mentioned Bam being a guy that can operate on the elbow. I can see that too. I can see Spo working out a series of high-low screen/shot sets with he and Whiteside, with Goran maneuvering through the paint and forcing defenses to decide between 2.5 shooters (Goran and two wings) and BamSide.

[Bishop45]

I don't believe you draft a backup center in the lottery. That would be crazy imo. If he shows anything, Hassan is likely in play. That's how I justify the pick. That's what keeps me from throwing furniture.

And UD is not our backup C, not for us or any NBA team, he's a name collecting a vet min check.

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Very few things we agree on but this. Maybe we play him at PF one time or another but there's no way we drafted him with sole intentions of making/playing him at the 4. There were better defensive and offensive PF prospects that actually played PF that we could've went with if we wanted a PF, I can't fathom that's what happened. I mean, Spo wouldn't start JJ at the 4 until Babbitt and McBob went down and Williams was traded, if he had any input I can't imagine Bam was singled out to play the 4. I mean he played 100% C

Bam's 6'9, 245, physically he's already on par with the better switching Centers like TT and Draymond. Riley's old school so if he doesn't see Whiteside as a max guy I could see it

[twix2500]

I don't believe you draft a backup center in the lottery. That would be crazy imo. If he shows anything, Hassan is likely in play. That's how I justify the pick. That's what keeps me from throwing furniture.

And UD is not our backup C, not for us or any NBA team, he's a name collecting a vet min check.

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Very few things we agree on but this. Maybe we play him at PF one time or another but there's no way we drafted him with sole intentions of making/playing him at the 4. There were better defensive and offensive PF prospects that actually played PF that we could've went with if we wanted a PF, I can't fathom that's what happened. I mean, Spo wouldn't start JJ at the 4 until Babbitt and McBob went down and Williams was traded, if he had any input I can't imagine Bam was singled out to play the 4. I mean he played 100% C

Bam's 6'9, 245, physically he's already on par with the better switching Centers like TT and Draymond. Riley's old school so if he doesn't see Whiteside as a max guy I could see it

They aquire Bam to play PF and C.

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[BFRESH44]

It's not that deep. This doesn't signal that Whiteside is on the trade block or anything. Once the guards that they liked came off the board, they felt Bam was the best available talent with the most upside. It's as simple as that.

Bam may very well have more tricks in his bag than what he showed in his lone season at UK, so this notion that he can't play power forward is unfounded. He's 19. A completely blank canvas.

Also the notion that two "traditional" bigs can't play together in today's league is also HIGHLY overstated. If they have the mobility to switch on defense, they absolutely can. Like Spo said, the narrative can change very easily. All it takes is is a few teams willing to go there.

[twix2500]

It's likely Bam will play at least 2 roles on the floor. The spots Deng (as PF) played and the spots Willie Reed (as C ) played.

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[greg4012]

I don't know why we think Bam can play PF next to whiteside, his foot reaction time is to slow to play PF in today's nba, plus he would kill any spacing we could have as he is an unproven 3pt shooter and shot free throws at a 60% conversion rate like Joel Anthony.

We need to cop with reality here, we used the 14th pick on a 10 mpg backup center, that's it, that's all, basketball !

We are still weak at PF, we need to find another versatile big wing like JJ, all our other wings are 6-6 and under...not a good look

His mobility and good feet is one of his greatest assets and is one of the main reasons that the Heat drafted him. He absolutely has the mobility, athleticism and feet to guard PFs and some SFs. The things that may hold him back from playing many minutes at PF are a consistent jump shot (TBD), ability to dribble-drive from the perimeter (TBD), and offensive awareness outside of the paint (TBD). But, athletically, he has all the tools needed to be a versatile PF/C.

Also, saying we used the 14th pick on a 10 mpg backup center is kind of ignorant and shortsighted:

(A) Yes, for his rookie season that may be his role, but he's very much a high upside developmental prospect. I believe the Heat organization sees him capable of developing as a hybrid big man

(B) If Bam progresses well and shows he can be our center of the future, I would not at all be shocked to see the Heat explore Whiteside trades. I know many don't want to hear that. Whiteside is great for us. But, he's not untouchable. And if Bam progresses as a center, it opens up the possibility of distributing our payroll to other positions (and getting younger) by trading Whiteside and getting some nice pieces to upgrade other positions.

[Bishop45]

Took awhile to realize that if we can't get JJ & Waiters back for under 29 M's then we likely can't afford Ellington... So getting an SF, even exception-like money, not likely

McGruder deserves that back-up spot but Rich is a bigger investment, interesting Summer

[KingDavid]

Took awhile to realize that if we can't get JJ & Waiters back for under 29 M's then we likely can't afford Ellington... So getting an SF, even exception-like money, not likely

McGruder deserves that back-up spot but Rich is a bigger investment, interesting Summer

Rich almost has the height, but not the size or strength for SF. We all know what happens in this league when you try to do a quick bulk. Who am I forgetting here? If we don't have Ellington, then Rich, Tj, and Babbitt are the backups, right?

[Bishop45]

Took awhile to realize that if we can't get JJ & Waiters back for under 29 M's then we likely can't afford Ellington... So getting an SF, even exception-like money, not likely

McGruder deserves that back-up spot but Rich is a bigger investment, interesting Summer

Rich almost has the height, but not the size or strength for SF. We all know what happens in this league when you try to do a quick bulk. Who am I forgetting here? If we don't have Ellington, then Rich, Tj, and Babbitt are the backups, right?

Yea', I guess we could play TJ/Rich/McGruder/Babbitt if we don't pick pick-up Ellington or try to use Ellington's money to pick-up a cheap SF

See what's up once FA hits...

[radikalBaller]

I don't know why we think Bam can play PF next to whiteside, his foot reaction time is to slow to play PF in today's nba, plus he would kill any spacing we could have as he is an unproven 3pt shooter and shot free throws at a 60% conversion rate like Joel Anthony.

We need to cop with reality here, we used the 14th pick on a 10 mpg backup center, that's it, that's all, basketball !

We are still weak at PF, we need to find another versatile big wing like JJ, all our other wings are 6-6 and under...not a good look

His mobility and good feet is one of his greatest assets and is one of the main reasons that the Heat drafted him. He absolutely has the mobility, athleticism and feet to guard PFs and some SFs. The things that may hold him back from playing many minutes at PF are a consistent jump shot (TBD), ability to dribble-drive from the perimeter (TBD), and offensive awareness outside of the paint (TBD). But, athletically, he has all the tools needed to be a versatile PF/C.

Also, saying we used the 14th pick on a 10 mpg backup center is kind of ignorant and shortsighted:

(A) Yes, for his rookie season that may be his role, but he's very much a high upside developmental prospect. I believe the Heat organization sees him capable of developing as a hybrid big man

(B) If Bam progresses well and shows he can be our center of the future, I would not at all be shocked to see the Heat explore Whiteside trades. I know many don't want to hear that. Whiteside is great for us. But, he's not untouchable. And if Bam progresses as a center, it opens up the possibility of distributing our payroll to other positions (and getting younger) by trading Whiteside and getting some nice pieces to upgrade other positions.

Today, most PF are really big SF like Durant. Beside Lebron and JJ, who are the 250 lbs plus guys with a jumpshot able to guard a quick SF ?

Though Bam's foot speed is ok for a C, he moves nothing like Lebron or JJ.

I see Bam having a similar role to Biyombo in Toronto when he was backing Valenciunas. He should play more or less minutes depending on matchups, which is not a bad thing since Biyombo was pretty instrumental to the Raps playoff run last year.

I hope I am wrong, otherwise (B) is your more reallistic scenario, and in that case Bam would have a role similar to tristan Thompson

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Let me just say that I don't expect Bam to kill it in SL, he's still at a point in his skill level that he needs others to help him create shots, and SL guards usually suck at that.

I think he'll look better playing next to vets, in a more controlled type game with a structured offense.

I do expect him to lock down guys on defense.

Winslow averaged 16.3 ppg on 29.8 fg% in Orlando SL last year. It's not that difficult. I expect Adebayo to average 20+ ppg easy.

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[greg4012]

I don't know why we think Bam can play PF next to whiteside, his foot reaction time is to slow to play PF in today's nba, plus he would kill any spacing we could have as he is an unproven 3pt shooter and shot free throws at a 60% conversion rate like Joel Anthony.

We need to cop with reality here, we used the 14th pick on a 10 mpg backup center, that's it, that's all, basketball !

We are still weak at PF, we need to find another versatile big wing like JJ, all our other wings are 6-6 and under...not a good look

His mobility and good feet is one of his greatest assets and is one of the main reasons that the Heat drafted him. He absolutely has the mobility, athleticism and feet to guard PFs and some SFs. The things that may hold him back from playing many minutes at PF are a consistent jump shot (TBD), ability to dribble-drive from the perimeter (TBD), and offensive awareness outside of the paint (TBD). But, athletically, he has all the tools needed to be a versatile PF/C.

Also, saying we used the 14th pick on a 10 mpg backup center is kind of ignorant and shortsighted:

(A) Yes, for his rookie season that may be his role, but he's very much a high upside developmental prospect. I believe the Heat organization sees him capable of developing as a hybrid big man

(B) If Bam progresses well and shows he can be our center of the future, I would not at all be shocked to see the Heat explore Whiteside trades. I know many don't want to hear that. Whiteside is great for us. But, he's not untouchable. And if Bam progresses as a center, it opens up the possibility of distributing our payroll to other positions (and getting younger) by trading Whiteside and getting some nice pieces to upgrade other positions.

Today, most PF are really big SF like Durant. Beside Lebron and JJ, who are the 250 lbs plus guys able to guard a quick SF ?

Though Bam's foot speed is ok for a C, he moves nothing like Lebron or JJ.

I see Bam having a similar role to Biyombo in Toronto when he was backing Valenciunas. He should play more or less minutes depending on matchups, which is not a bad thing since Biyombo was pretty instrumental to the Raps playoff run last year.

I hope I am wrong, otherwise (B) is your more reallistic scenario, and in that case Bam would have a role similar to tristan Thompson

I don't want to get into a whole back and forth with you and end up making a bunch of different definitive projections and statements like you are. I just want to point out that in one post you described Bam as a 10 mpg backup center, and in your next post you indicated that you see Bam having a similar role to Biyombo in Toronto when he backed up Valuncianas -- a role that consisted of him playing 22 mpg.

I see the defensive comparison to Biyombo because of the big man ability to switch on P-n-R. But, Biyombo never showed the flashes offensively that Bam already has. I just watched a couple pre-draft workouts of Biyombo and dude attempted one jump shot and clanked it.

You're kind of all over the place.

[greg4012]

Let me just say that I don't expect Bam to kill it in SL, he's still at a point in his skill level that he needs others to help him create shots, and SL guards usually suck at that.

I think he'll look better playing next to vets, in a more controlled type game with a structured offense.

I do expect him to lock down guys on defense.

Winslow averaged 16.3 ppg on 29.8 fg% in Orlando SL last year. It's not that difficult. I expect Adebayo to average 20+ ppg easy.

That's silly. Firstly, there's usually a huge difference between first year players and second year players in summer league. Mediocre 2nd year players often dominate. Secondly, summer league is a mess of a bunch of fringe NBA talents all playing selfish ball trying to get theirs. I doubt a big man like Bam will get as many looks as he should or have many opportunities playing in the flow of a well functioning offense.

[Heat_Fan_87]

i wouldn't expect much from bam offensively during sl other than some stuff around the rim, want to see what he looks like guarding 3s, 4s, and 5s. he will probably be the most athletic guy on the floor most times,

[radikalBaller]

His mobility and good feet is one of his greatest assets and is one of the main reasons that the Heat drafted him. He absolutely has the mobility, athleticism and feet to guard PFs and some SFs. The things that may hold him back from playing many minutes at PF are a consistent jump shot (TBD), ability to dribble-drive from the perimeter (TBD), and offensive awareness outside of the paint (TBD). But, athletically, he has all the tools needed to be a versatile PF/C.

Also, saying we used the 14th pick on a 10 mpg backup center is kind of ignorant and shortsighted:

(A) Yes, for his rookie season that may be his role, but he's very much a high upside developmental prospect. I believe the Heat organization sees him capable of developing as a hybrid big man

(B) If Bam progresses well and shows he can be our center of the future, I would not at all be shocked to see the Heat explore Whiteside trades. I know many don't want to hear that. Whiteside is great for us. But, he's not untouchable. And if Bam progresses as a center, it opens up the possibility of distributing our payroll to other positions (and getting younger) by trading Whiteside and getting some nice pieces to upgrade other positions.

Today, most PF are really big SF like Durant. Beside Lebron and JJ, who are the 250 lbs plus guys able to guard a quick SF ?

Though Bam's foot speed is ok for a C, he moves nothing like Lebron or JJ.

I see Bam having a similar role to Biyombo in Toronto when he was backing Valenciunas. He should play more or less minutes depending on matchups, which is not a bad thing since Biyombo was pretty instrumental to the Raps playoff run last year.

I hope I am wrong, otherwise (B) is your more reallistic scenario, and in that case Bam would have a role similar to tristan Thompson

I don't want to get into a whole back and forth with you and end up making a bunch of different definitive projections and statements like you are. I just want to point out that in one post you described Bam as a 10 mpg backup center, and in your next post you indicated that you see Bam having a similar role to Biyombo in Toronto when he backed up Valuncianas -- a role that consisted of him playing 22 mpg.

I see the defensive comparison to Biyombo because of the big man ability to switch on P-n-R. But, Biyombo never showed the flashes offensively that Bam already has. I just watched a couple pre-draft workouts of Biyombo and dude attempted one jump shot and clanked it.

You're kind of all over the place.

Whiteside is better than Valenciunas so there would not be as many minutes left for Bam to play. IIRC Reed played 12 mpg, but that does not mean that Bam is not good enough to warrant playing more than 12 mpg, it is just that we alrerady have invested 100 plus millions for Whiteside to play plus 35 mpg.

I agree that Bam should be a better post offensive player than Biyombo, as well as a better shooter but not to the point that we could play him at PF for any significative strecth in todays NBA with only a 1 to 0 uncontested workout to backup his 3 pt shooting.

[HeatIn5]

I don't know why we think Bam can play PF next to whiteside, his foot reaction time is to slow to play PF in today's nba, plus he would kill any spacing we could have as he is an unproven 3pt shooter and shot free throws at a 60% conversion rate like Joel Anthony.

We need to cop with reality here, we used the 14th pick on a 10 mpg backup center, that's it, that's all, basketball !

We are still weak at PF, we need to find another versatile big wing like JJ, all our other wings are 6-6 and under...not a good look

His mobility and good feet is one of his greatest assets and is one of the main reasons that the Heat drafted him. He absolutely has the mobility, athleticism and feet to guard PFs and some SFs. The things that may hold him back from playing many minutes at PF are a consistent jump shot (TBD), ability to dribble-drive from the perimeter (TBD), and offensive awareness outside of the paint (TBD). But, athletically, he has all the tools needed to be a versatile PF/C.

Also, saying we used the 14th pick on a 10 mpg backup center is kind of ignorant and shortsighted:

(A) Yes, for his rookie season that may be his role, but he's very much a high upside developmental prospect. I believe the Heat organization sees him capable of developing as a hybrid big man

(B) If Bam progresses well and shows he can be our center of the future, I would not at all be shocked to see the Heat explore Whiteside trades. I know many don't want to hear that. Whiteside is great for us. But, he's not untouchable. And if Bam progresses as a center, it opens up the possibility of distributing our payroll to other positions (and getting younger) by trading Whiteside and getting some nice pieces to upgrade other positions.

Today, most PF are really big SF like Durant. Beside Lebron and JJ, who are the 250 lbs plus guys with a jumpshot able to guard a quick SF ?

Though Bam's foot speed is ok for a C, he moves nothing like Lebron or JJ.

I see Bam having a similar role to Biyombo in Toronto when he was backing Valenciunas. He should play more or less minutes depending on matchups, which is not a bad thing since Biyombo was pretty instrumental to the Raps playoff run last year.

I hope I am wrong, otherwise (B) is your more reallistic scenario, and in that case Bam would have a role similar to tristan Thompson

Here is my genuine question though. Who in the world did you want to draft at #14 overall that you feel comfortable covering Durant?