The Pursuit of Paul George

[jfs1000d]

LOL @ John Wall throwing Otto Porter in the trash while trying to recruit George. Damn.

Wait, some here swore that Otto was a max player and we had no one like him.


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[pasfru]

Based on the old CBA (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q94), his current salary can't be increased by more than 4.5% and the raises in the subsequent years are also limited to 4.5% of previous salary. So no, I don't think we can't go by that route. PG won't agree to that since he'll lose a lot of money.

Some have suggested to just trade for him and wait six months then extend him. That extension is limited to 7.5% raises per the CBA link above. If I'm PG, I don't agree to that either.

R&E is the best way for him to maximize his earnings if he wishes to extend with the Celtics. But we'd have to have the cap space to do it.

At least, that's how I understood it. And I'm not sure if the rules on extensions have changed in the new CBA.

EDIT: I think the 4.5% and 7.5% raises are now 5% and 8% respectively in the new CBA.

Players can be extended by up to 120% of the final year of their current deal now.

Is there a waiting period once he gets traded here? Even his upcoming salary for 2017-18 gets a 120% bump?

Not sure about the waiting period.

2017-18 doesn't get a bump without a renegotiation. The 120% raise is for the first year of his new contract which would come into play in 2018-19.

[pasfru]

Based on the old CBA (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q94), his current salary can't be increased by more than 4.5% and the raises in the subsequent years are also limited to 4.5% of previous salary. So no, I don't think we can't go by that route. PG won't agree to that since he'll lose a lot of money.

Some have suggested to just trade for him and wait six months then extend him. That extension is limited to 7.5% raises per the CBA link above. If I'm PG, I don't agree to that either.

R&E is the best way for him to maximize his earnings if he wishes to extend with the Celtics. But we'd have to have the cap space to do it.

At least, that's how I understood it. And I'm not sure if the rules on extensions have changed in the new CBA.

EDIT: I think the 4.5% and 7.5% raises are now 5% and 8% respectively in the new CBA.

Players can be extended by up to 120% of the final year of their current deal now.

Damn is that as a renegotiation or solely as an extension. I missed that. If they can renegotiate him at that rate that would come very close to evening his salary out over a two-year period compared with waiting and then FA.

You can renegotiate and extend upwards of 120%. Or it can work solely as an extension.

[Green_teamer]

LOL @ John Wall throwing Otto Porter in the trash while trying to recruit George. Damn.

Wait, some here swore that Otto was a max player and we had no one like him.


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He would be a max player and he's still going to get the max. I wouldn't want the Celtics to sign him to a max for sure lol but some teams are going to offer him the max..and Washington will match unless they trade him for George. Either way he can't be happy.

[jfs1000d]

Losing Avery Bradley, and Jae Crowder to get Paul
George is worth it. He is better than both players. In whole NBA he is the 4th best Small Foward only behind Lebron James, Kevin Durant, and Kawhi Leonard. Paul George is a star and would turn the celtics into a championship contending team.

Statswise he's been somewhat inefficient. Hayward has actually been better than George last year, I can argue the year before that too. He's criminally udnerrated.

Hayward is terrific. If he comes to Boston n, he blows up next year even more than now.


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[165bows]

Players can be extended by up to 120% of the final year of their current deal now.

Damn is that as a renegotiation or solely as an extension. I missed that. If they can renegotiate him at that rate that would come very close to evening his salary out over a two-year period compared with waiting and then FA.

You can renegotiate and extend upwards of 120%. Or it can work solely as an extension.

Do you have a link for the specifics? The internet is brutal trying to search for specific pieces of the new CBA. Tons of stuff shows up but never the detail that is being search for.
Edit- Oh I get what you are saying. They can renegotiate, or use the 120% in an extension. I'd still be interested in the details if you have them.

[pasfru]

Damn is that as a renegotiation or solely as an extension. I missed that. If they can renegotiate him at that rate that would come very close to evening his salary out over a two-year period compared with waiting and then FA.

You can renegotiate and extend upwards of 120%. Or it can work solely as an extension.

Do you have a link for the specifics? The internet is brutal trying to search for specific pieces of the new CBA. Tons of stuff shows up but never the detail that is being search for.
Edit- Oh I get what you are saying. They can renegotiate, or use the 120% in an extension. I'd still be interested in the details if you have them.

Hard to find info for the new CBA, but this is one I've been using for a while. Fact-checking it with other places like Basketball Insider, it seems to be pretty up-to-date.

http://www.celticshub.com/2016/12/18/celtics-friendly-guide-new-cba/#vet-extensions

[shackles10]

While risky that he leaves in a year is there anyone still saying we should renegotiate or extend before trading for George? We'd have to increase the trade offer, guy our team further perhaps, and make the max fa pitch even more difficult. I say roll the dice with George as is!

[Shuttlesworth99]

If I'm the Pacers and feel like the Celtics have the best offer and am probably going to take it, wait until free agency has started. If we sign someone, theoricallty we will give up a little extra for PG, if we don't theoretically we may also give a little more for PG.

As much as they will get cents on the dollar for him, they do have a little leverage because basically every team is interested. But hard to beat an offer of likely a high draft pick and two quality players on bargain contracts that will undoubtly fetch two more mid to late firsts.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

LOL @ John Wall throwing Otto Porter in the trash while trying to recruit George. Damn.

Wait, some here swore that Otto was a max player and we had no one like him.


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A couple things. Otto porter isn't a max player. He's in the AB class that wants to get paid allstar money but wont ever become all stars. They're dangerous, cap destroying contracts to stay away from. Those Even Turner contracts that Portland handed out are going to start to dissipate soon enough once teams realize how stupid they were paying a decent player 15-25% less than max. That should shake itself out in a few years though. If they resign Otto porter at anything over 15 million, they're in more trouble than they already are. Their problem is not their starting 5, who are better than Boston's Starting 5. It's there bench that's trash. They need quality depth on cheap deals.

[Afam]

Paul George should be the Celtics top priority. With all the Gordon Hayward hype he could just re-sign with the Jazz, or go to another team.

[Green_teamer]

Paul George should be the Celtics top priority. With all the Gordon Hayward hype he could just re-sign with the Jazz, or go to another team.

You go FA first because they would be had without giving up assets. And if we do get HAyward we could get George too. Everything is riding on this Saturday

[165bows]

If I'm the Pacers and feel like the Celtics have the best offer and am probably going to take it, wait until free agency has started. If we sign someone, theoricallty we will give up a little extra for PG, if we don't theoretically we may also give a little more for PG.

As much as they will get cents on the dollar for him, they do have a little leverage because basically every team is interested. But hard to beat an offer of likely a high draft pick and two quality players on bargain contracts that will undoubtly fetch two more mid to late firsts.

Also, if I were Indiana, I'd wait until I had the final Boston offer and go back to the Lakers. They could dump a lot of young assets if they got desperate. They probably won't, since they wouldn't even have a team as good as Indiana's, but if I were the Pacers that's the other option I'd shoot for.

[Shuttlesworth99]

If I'm the Pacers and feel like the Celtics have the best offer and am probably going to take it, wait until free agency has started. If we sign someone, theoricallty we will give up a little extra for PG, if we don't theoretically we may also give a little more for PG.

As much as they will get cents on the dollar for him, they do have a little leverage because basically every team is interested. But hard to beat an offer of likely a high draft pick and two quality players on bargain contracts that will undoubtly fetch two more mid to late firsts.

Also, if I were Indiana, I'd wait until I had the final Boston offer and go back to the Lakers. They could dump a lot of young assets if they got desperate. They probably won't, since they wouldn't even have a team as good as Indiana's, but if I were the Pacers that's the other option I'd shoot for.

That's right, they should play the real estate agent card for sure. They need to flip teams upsidedown and shake them for all they have got to give, down to the last second round pick. Because whoever put them in this position is a bit of a toss really.

So in the next week or two, take the package that gives you the best future pieces, just cut your losses and move on. Because if I'm the Pacers, f*** PG and whoever in his camp leaked that info.

[Froob]

Lol heard there's Jazz fans that wanted Crowder over Hayward.

[jirrit]

With every day that passes our chances grow IMO. The Pacers are trying to find something but they can't.

[Froob]

If I'm the Pacers and feel like the Celtics have the best offer and am probably going to take it, wait until free agency has started. If we sign someone, theoricallty we will give up a little extra for PG, if we don't theoretically we may also give a little more for PG.

As much as they will get cents on the dollar for him, they do have a little leverage because basically every team is interested. But hard to beat an offer of likely a high draft pick and two quality players on bargain contracts that will undoubtly fetch two more mid to late firsts.

Also, if I were Indiana, I'd wait until I had the final Boston offer and go back to the Lakers. They could dump a lot of young assets if they got desperate. They probably won't, since they wouldn't even have a team as good as Indiana's, but if I were the Pacers that's the other option I'd shoot for.

Same, I'd rather miss on George and keep Lonzo and Ingram if I were them.

[ConstableGeneva]

You can renegotiate and extend upwards of 120%. Or it can work solely as an extension.

Do you have a link for the specifics? The internet is brutal trying to search for specific pieces of the new CBA. Tons of stuff shows up but never the detail that is being search for.
Edit- Oh I get what you are saying. They can renegotiate, or use the 120% in an extension. I'd still be interested in the details if you have them.

Hard to find info for the new CBA, but this is one I've been using for a while. Fact-checking it with other places like Basketball Insider, it seems to be pretty up-to-date.

http://www.celticshub.com/2016/12/18/celtics-friendly-guide-new-cba/#vet-extensions

Based on the chart in the Paul George section of the article, none of the options there increases his upcoming salary. And the traditional extension is way less appealing than if he just played out his contract and became a free agent the following season.

That's why most are suggesting the R&E route where he gets to maximize his profits by opting out after his 9th season to be eligible for the super-max. (See here.)

So the only way I see George agreeing to an extension is via R&E where the Celtics would need to allocate cap space. Am I missing something?

Either that or we roll the dice that he doesn't bolt after one season.

[Celts17Pride]

Look at what adding Al Horford did to the celtics. He turned from a 50 win team to a 53 win. It could have been more if he didn't miss a lot of games due to injuries. Imagine how many wins Paul George could add to the celtics. I am talking a 60 win team.

You were the first one complaining about the Celtics wasting their money on Horford. Keep on being yourself Afam!

[Green_teamer]

Do you have a link for the specifics? The internet is brutal trying to search for specific pieces of the new CBA. Tons of stuff shows up but never the detail that is being search for.
Edit- Oh I get what you are saying. They can renegotiate, or use the 120% in an extension. I'd still be interested in the details if you have them.

Hard to find info for the new CBA, but this is one I've been using for a while. Fact-checking it with other places like Basketball Insider, it seems to be pretty up-to-date.

http://www.celticshub.com/2016/12/18/celtics-friendly-guide-new-cba/#vet-extensions

Based on the chart in the Paul George section of the article, none of the options there increases his upcoming salary. And the traditional extension is way less appealing than if he just played out his contract and became a free agent the following season.

That's why most are suggesting the R&E route where he gets to maximize his profits by opting out after his 9th season to be eligible for the super-max. (See here.)

So the only way I see George agreeing to an extension is via R&E where the Celtics would need to allocate cap space. Am I missing something?

Either that or we roll the dice that he doesn't bolt after one season.

Wed have his bird rights after the season right? How much more could we offer him than the lakers? I feel like there's a good chance after he's here he won't want to leave