Stephen A Smith: Spurs offered Kawhi for Porzingis

[HarthorneWingo]

When did I say he was old?
Melo wasn't old when we traded for him either
Melo was 26 when we traded for him. Kawhi will be 26 in a few days
2 stars in their primes
It didn't work the first time, what makes you think it can work now?

Kawhi is far superior to Melo. Melo was never a superstar. Very few reach that level. Kawhi is without any doubt, a superstar... and only getting better. His defense and offense are both at elite levels. Someone like him wins wherever he goes. He's reached that level.

Melo was a superstar too.
He didn't start losing until he got here and got old with no one else to lean on.

He only has himself to blame.

[drekwins]

Kawhi is far superior to Melo. Melo was never a superstar. Very few reach that level. Kawhi is without any doubt, a superstar... and only getting better. His defense and offense are both at elite levels. Someone like him wins wherever he goes. He's reached that level.

Melo was a superstar too.
He didn't start losing until he got here and got old with no one else to lean on.

He only has himself to blame.

I think we have different definitions of superstar. You have to be truly elite to be called that. To me, there are legends, superstars and stars. Some examples of legends are: MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan, Bird, Magic, etc. Superstars are: KG, Isiah, Robinson, Ewing, Durant, CP3, Kawhi, Malone, etc. Stars are much more common. Those are the TMac, Vince, Barkley, Miller, Payton, Stockton, Webber, Nash, Harden, Melo and so many others.

Legends were destined to win rings no matter what and often crrate dynasties. Superstars are good enough to win any given year if they have the talent/team around them but it's never guaranteed.. They're typically great 2 way players and are always right there in late April/Early June enforcing their will in the playoffs. Stars are great on any given night and have amazing talent but have fatal flaws that don't allow them to be the leader of a championship team.

[kane2021]

I don't know if it's all true or not but it's obvious this information was fed to him by the knicks.


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[dakomish23]

Kawhi is far superior to Melo. Melo was never a superstar. Very few reach that level. Kawhi is without any doubt, a superstar... and only getting better. His defense and offense are both at elite levels. Someone like him wins wherever he goes. He's reached that level.

Melo was a superstar too.
He didn't start losing until he got here and got old with no one else to lean on.

He only has himself to blame.

http://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7338517/chauncey-billups-waived-new-york-knicks-using-amnesty-clause

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/46688/knicks-make-andrea-bargnani-trade-official

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/11135060/dallas-mavericks-acquire-tyson-chandler-raymond-felton-new-york-knicks

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16427840/new-york-knicks-acquire-derrick-rose-chicago-bulls

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16688846/new-york-knicks-joakim-noah-agree-4-year-72-million-deal

Unless he became the GM when I wasn't looking

[HarthorneWingo]

Melo was a superstar too.
He didn't start losing until he got here and got old with no one else to lean on.

He only has himself to blame.

I think we have different definitions of superstar. You have to be truly elite to be called that. To me, there are legends, superstars and stars. Some examples of legends are: MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan, Bird, Magic, etc. Superstars are: KG, Isiah, Robinson, Ewing, Durant, CP3, Kawhi, Malone, etc. Stars are much more common. Those are the TMac, Vince, Barkley, Miller, Payton, Stockton, Webber, Nash, Harden, Melo and so many others.

Legends were destined to win rings no matter what and often crrate dynasties. Superstars are good enough to win any given year if they have the talent/team around them but it's never guaranteed.. They're typically great 2 way players and are always right there in late April/Early June enforcing their will in the playoffs. Stars are great on any given night and have amazing talent but have fatal flaws that don't allow them to be the leader of a championship team.

I take it you were replying to Greenie's post and not mine. But I agree with you. Melo's not a "Superstar" ... but if he is, he's a

(A superstar, but he couldn't get far)
But he sure found out the hard way
That dreams don't always come true, oh no, uh uh
(Dreams don't always come true, uh uh, no, uh uh)

So he pawned down his hopes
(Woo, woo, woo-woo)
And even sold his old car
(Woo, woo, woo-woo)
Bought a one way ticket back to the life he once knew
Oh yes he did, he said he would

Oh-oh, he's leaving
(Leaving)
On that midnight train to Cleveland, yeah
(Leaving on a midnight train)
Said he's going back to find, ooh
(Going back to find)
A simpler place and time, ooh, yeah
(Whenever he takes that ride, guess who's gonna be right by his side)

I'm gonna be with him
(I know you will)
On that midnight train to Cleveland
(Leaving on a midnight train to Cleveland, woo woo)
I'd rather live in my world
(Live in my world)
Than live with him in his
(Her world is his, his and hers alone)

Ooh, he's leaving
(Leaving)
On the midnight train to Cleveland, yeah, ooh y'all
(Leaving on the midnight train)
Said he's going back to find
(Going back to find)
Ooh, a simpler place and time, ooh y'all, uh-huh
(Whenever he takes that ride, guess who's gonna be right by his side)
I've got to be with him
(I know you will)
On that midnight train to Cleveland
(Leaving on a midnight train to Cleveland, woo woo)
I'd rather live in my world
(Live in my world)
Than live with him in his
(Her world is his, his and hers alone)

[HarthorneWingo]

Melo was a superstar too.
He didn't start losing until he got here and got old with no one else to lean on.

He only has himself to blame.

http://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7338517/chauncey-billups-waived-new-york-knicks-using-amnesty-clause

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/46688/knicks-make-andrea-bargnani-trade-official

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/11135060/dallas-mavericks-acquire-tyson-chandler-raymond-felton-new-york-knicks

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16427840/new-york-knicks-acquire-derrick-rose-chicago-bulls

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16688846/new-york-knicks-joakim-noah-agree-4-year-72-million-deal

Unless he became the GM when I wasn't looking

Ok, so Dolan's a shythead too

[drekwins]

He only has himself to blame.

I think we have different definitions of superstar. You have to be truly elite to be called that. To me, there are legends, superstars and stars. Some examples of legends are: MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan, Bird, Magic, etc. Superstars are: KG, Isiah, Robinson, Ewing, Durant, CP3, Kawhi, Malone, etc. Stars are much more common. Those are the TMac, Vince, Barkley, Miller, Payton, Stockton, Webber, Nash, Harden, Melo and so many others.

Legends were destined to win rings no matter what and often crrate dynasties. Superstars are good enough to win any given year if they have the talent/team around them but it's never guaranteed.. They're typically great 2 way players and are always right there in late April/Early June enforcing their will in the playoffs. Stars are great on any given night and have amazing talent but have fatal flaws that don't allow them to be the leader of a championship team.

I take it you were replying to Greenie's post and not mine. But I agree with you. Melo's not a "Superstar" ... but if he is, he's a

(A superstar, but he couldn't get far)
But he sure found out the hard way
That dreams don't always come true, oh no, uh uh
(Dreams don't always come true, uh uh, no, uh uh)

So he pawned down his hopes
(Woo, woo, woo-woo)
And even sold his old car
(Woo, woo, woo-woo)
Bought a one way ticket back to the life he once knew
Oh yes he did, he said he would

Oh-oh, he's leaving
(Leaving)
On that midnight train to Cleveland, yeah
(Leaving on a midnight train)
Said he's going back to find, ooh
(Going back to find)
A simpler place and time, ooh, yeah
(Whenever he takes that ride, guess who's gonna be right by his side)

I'm gonna be with him
(I know you will)
On that midnight train to Cleveland
(Leaving on a midnight train to Cleveland, woo woo)
I'd rather live in my world
(Live in my world)
Than live with him in his
(Her world is his, his and hers alone)

Ooh, he's leaving
(Leaving)
On the midnight train to Cleveland, yeah, ooh y'all
(Leaving on the midnight train)
Said he's going back to find
(Going back to find)
Ooh, a simpler place and time, ooh y'all, uh-huh
(Whenever he takes that ride, guess who's gonna be right by his side)
I've got to be with him
(I know you will)
On that midnight train to Cleveland
(Leaving on a midnight train to Cleveland, woo woo)
I'd rather live in my world
(Live in my world)
Than live with him in his
(Her world is his, his and hers alone)

You are correct, Sir haha Sorry, I got a little lazy and didn't have the energy to find the original reply from Greenie haha

[mugzi]

I'm Melo-d on my keyboard tonight with my good friend Blue Agave, In the key of C major.

This ones called He's too Melo

Had the world by the gonads, grew up rough with no dad, tears in a notepad
Had talent to be so bad, I'm known as,
The has been, ne'er do well, money and fame took its toll, im 33 but lookin old. Wanna stop the clock, pass me the ball, I'm taking the shot! Not asking y'all. And that's basketball.

Hook- You know a title ain't vital to me
I'm an idol, An idol I'm entitled you see
Got a skill most would kill for, rubbing off on players who still raw, still raw.

I'm tired of this chord progression, y'all want the second verse, pay me otherwise F off.

[BasicBall]

I would've driven his ass to San Antonio.

[BasicBall]

What a lying sack of ****. Yeah Khawi was offered and Phil turned it down. Suuuuurreee.

If Pop wanted KP and the 8th pick, I would have turned it down too if I'm Phil. Say what you want about Phil, but keeping these draft picks is proving to be invaluable. It's one thing I totally am with him on, you don't build through free agency, you really build through the draft. For the most part, they drafted well. I think this Frank kid is going to be NICE in a very subtle way.

[Greenie]

Kawhi is far superior to Melo. Melo was never a superstar. Very few reach that level. Kawhi is without any doubt, a superstar... and only getting better. His defense and offense are both at elite levels. Someone like him wins wherever he goes. He's reached that level.

Melo was a superstar too.
He didn't start losing until he got here and got old with no one else to lean on.

He only has himself to blame.

For coming here to play for a team with fans like you.

[John Murdoch]

Exactly it's even more reason to keep him. Also means the Spurs know GSW will run the NBA for a while.

U know thats BS right lol ?

[CoolKids]

Melo was a superstar too.
He didn't start losing until he got here and got old with no one else to lean on.

He only has himself to blame.

I think we have different definitions of superstar. You have to be truly elite to be called that. To me, there are legends, superstars and stars. Some examples of legends are: MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan, Bird, Magic, etc. Superstars are: KG, Isiah, Robinson, Ewing, Durant, CP3, Kawhi, Malone, etc. Stars are much more common. Those are the TMac, Vince, Barkley, Miller, Payton, Stockton, Webber, Nash, Harden, Melo and so many others.

Legends were destined to win rings no matter what and often crrate dynasties. Superstars are good enough to win any given year if they have the talent/team around them but it's never guaranteed.. They're typically great 2 way players and are always right there in late April/Early June enforcing their will in the playoffs. Stars are great on any given night and have amazing talent but have fatal flaws that don't allow them to be the leader of a championship team.

what makes CP3 a superstar vs melo?

[Greenie]

What a lying sack of ****. Yeah Khawi was offered and Phil turned it down. Suuuuurreee.

If Pop wanted KP and the 8th pick, I would have turned it down too if I'm Phil. Say what you want about Phil, but keeping these draft picks is proving to be invaluable. It's one thing I totally am with him on, you don't build through free agency, you really build through the draft. For the most part, they drafted well. I think this Frank kid is going to be NICE in a very subtle way.

That's some silly nonsense.
Kawhi Leonard is worth it.

[Greenie]

He only has himself to blame.

http://www.espn.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7338517/chauncey-billups-waived-new-york-knicks-using-amnesty-clause

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/46688/knicks-make-andrea-bargnani-trade-official

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/11135060/dallas-mavericks-acquire-tyson-chandler-raymond-felton-new-york-knicks

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16427840/new-york-knicks-acquire-derrick-rose-chicago-bulls

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16688846/new-york-knicks-joakim-noah-agree-4-year-72-million-deal

Unless he became the GM when I wasn't looking

Ok, so Dolan's a shythead too

Keep living with alzheimers.

[NYKnickerbocker]

kawhi aint taking this team anywhere lol, we'd just get another superstar to waste his career

[Greenie]

kawhi aint taking this team anywhere lol, we'd just get another superstar to waste his career

Agreed.

[drekwins]

He only has himself to blame.

I think we have different definitions of superstar. You have to be truly elite to be called that. To me, there are legends, superstars and stars. Some examples of legends are: MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, Olajuwon, Duncan, Bird, Magic, etc. Superstars are: KG, Isiah, Robinson, Ewing, Durant, CP3, Kawhi, Malone, etc. Stars are much more common. Those are the TMac, Vince, Barkley, Miller, Payton, Stockton, Webber, Nash, Harden, Melo and so many others.

Legends were destined to win rings no matter what and often crrate dynasties. Superstars are good enough to win any given year if they have the talent/team around them but it's never guaranteed.. They're typically great 2 way players and are always right there in late April/Early June enforcing their will in the playoffs. Stars are great on any given night and have amazing talent but have fatal flaws that don't allow them to be the leader of a championship team.

what makes CP3 a superstar vs melo?

That's actually one that I think is more up in the air. As far as CP3 vs. Melo, I don't think that one really needs explaining. But, one wouldn't be necessarily wrong to say that CP3 isn't a superstar. It's debatable because It's hard for any average sized PG to be a true superstar since they have less influence on the defensive side than a longer guy. He's an interesting case because there's definitely a few tiers between someone like Gary Payton and KG/Kahwi. They just have more overall influence.

Even so, if any average sized PG were able to put a team on their back, it would probably be him. As one of the top PGs of all time, I think you have to include him. He's an elite defender in 1 on 1 situations, is a leader, efficient, makes other ALOT better and has become a guy that can be a go-to scorer when his teams need a bucket. If he was on a truly elite defensive team (like Isiah Thomas), he probably would have had a ring at some point in his career. I think he's pretty close in overall dominance to IT. That's why I think he should go to SA. I believe that they'd really have a shot with him. In LA, he's not making it past the 2nd round because Blake and Jordan are so one-dimensional.

[HarthorneWingo]

Melo was a superstar too.
He didn't start losing until he got here and got old with no one else to lean on.

He only has himself to blame.

For coming here to play for a team with fans like you.

lol, yeah right, a loyally addicted fan since '67 who used to watch what real basketball was with pride as opposed to the BS we play when he's out on the court.

Please, I've been watching the Knicks since before you were even born.

Melo's legacy here is already cemented in stone. FAILURE.

[Isiahthomass]

He only has himself to blame.

For coming here to play for a team with fans like you.

lol, yeah right, a loyally addicted fan since '67 who used to watch what real basketball was with pride as opposed to the BS we play when he's out on the court.

Please, I've been watching the Knicks since before you were even born.

Melo's legacy here is already cemented in stone. FAILURE.

I agree completely. I think Melo's general malaise though is a greater symptom of what is happening in the league.

It is like what Udonis Haslem said a few weeks back. 80% of the league doesn't play hard and doesn't care about winning. If you truly care about winning, you are going to gravitate towards playing with those guys, which leads us to where we are today.

I actually have stopped watching NBA basketball as a whole. I watched a couple of the finals games, but the way things are today just doesn't get me excited about basketball. Maybe if the Knicks were better, but that won't be for a looooooooong time, hopefully I'm still alive.