Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII

[dckingsfan]

Let's just say no to Melo and move on... stick a fork in him.

Why ? if the deal is right ? hats the harm, he is infinitely better than anyone we had on our bench last year. he would be an eilite 6 th man, es the scoring punch you need off a bench.

The harm is his production doesn't match his contract. His salary is $26,243,760. You would really hamstring the bench for Melo.

Plus, if you have watched Melo recently - he has lost a tremendous amount of mobility. He has gone from an okay defender to a pretty bad defender.

Seriously. Pass on Melo.

[Ruzious]

Let's just say no to Melo and move on... stick a fork in him.

Why ? if the deal is right ? hats the harm, he is infinitely better than anyone we had on our bench last year. he would be an eilite 6 th man, es the scoring punch you need off a bench.

The harm is his production doesn't match his contract. His salary is $26,243,760. You would really hamstring the bench for Melo.

Plus, if you have watched Melo recently - he has lost a tremendous amount of mobility. He has gone from an okay defender to a pretty bad defender.

Seriously. Pass on Melo.

Hat is exactly the harms. And they'd pretty much have to go to lux tax land if they trade for Melo and keep Otto. I'd bet your house that Ted wouldn't do that.

[daSwami]

Alright Real(GM)eniuses, the Ticker says Wall has been recruiting Paul George. Given our fiscal situation, Is there any way to make this happen? I'm assuming we'd have to give up Otto and probably a future #1 (2019?). I'm sure we'd have to find a way to off-load another bad contract, too. Could this happen?

[NatP4]

Alright Real(GM)eniuses, the Ticker says Wall has been recruiting Paul George. Given our fiscal situation, Is there any way to make this happen? I'm assuming we'd have to give up Otto and probably a future #1 (2019?). I'm sure we'd have to find a way to off-load another bad contract, too. Could this happen?

No, Otto would have to be a sign and trade which never happens anymore. We won't have the cap space next offseason to sign him straight up. It would have to be a trade involving Oubre and picks this offseason, or possibly a trade during the regular season, though I can't see Paul George not getting moved this offseason, and the nuggets seem to have a better deal in place, sending high picks to Indiana.

Our best most realistic offer is probably Kelly Oubre, Marcin Gortat(expiring contract next year) plus a 2018 1st and a 2020 1st. Maybe throw in some 2nds.

[dangermouse]

The idea of Wall/Beal/George/Morris/Gortat is pretty juicy

[NatP4]

For the sake of discussion, if we did move Otto for PG, how would a small ball lineup of

Wall
Beal
Oubre
PG
Mahinmi

Look defensively? I don't like KO nearly as much as Otto, and don't think he will ever be as good, but I still like his potential. We could still be pretty good.

[NatP4]

The idea of Wall/Beal/George/Morris/Gortat is pretty juicy

Admittedly, I am starting to come around to the idea. PG had his most efficient season of his career last year.

If, you got to keep Oubre, still a pretty talented team considering you return Sato/Mac/Oubre/McCullough. Would have the MLE and room exception, plus more space anyways to add some bench pieces. It wouldn't be terrible

[nate33]

Alright Real(GM)eniuses, the Ticker says Wall has been recruiting Paul George. Given our fiscal situation, Is there any way to make this happen? I'm assuming we'd have to give up Otto and probably a future #1 (2019?). I'm sure we'd have to find a way to off-load another bad contract, too. Could this happen?

No, Otto would have to be a sign and trade which never happens anymore. We won't have the cap space next offseason to sign him straight up. It would have to be a trade involving Oubre and picks this offseason, or possibly a trade during the regular season, though I can't see Paul George not getting moved this offseason, and the nuggets seem to have a better deal in place, sending high picks to Indiana.

Our best most realistic offer is probably Kelly Oubre, Marcin Gortat(expiring contract next year) plus a 2018 1st and a 2020 1st. Maybe throw in some 2nds.

Yup. That's probably the only realistic offer. Ideally, Gortat is laundered through a third party for some younger players/picks. That's a deal that would likely make them a top 4 team for a little while, but probably still not a real threat to Golden State. Ted would have to pay a brutal luxtax to hold it together:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Beal/McClellan
SF George/Porter
PF Porter/Morris
C Mahinmi/Smith

The crunch time lineup (with Morris at center) could be pretty dominant if they could hold up on the defensive glass. They could switch on everything defensively and spread the floor on offense. The depth is paper thin and an injury to Mahinmi could be a real problem during the regular season, but the team is built for the playoffs.

[NatP4]

Alright Real(GM)eniuses, the Ticker says Wall has been recruiting Paul George. Given our fiscal situation, Is there any way to make this happen? I'm assuming we'd have to give up Otto and probably a future #1 (2019?). I'm sure we'd have to find a way to off-load another bad contract, too. Could this happen?

No, Otto would have to be a sign and trade which never happens anymore. We won't have the cap space next offseason to sign him straight up. It would have to be a trade involving Oubre and picks this offseason, or possibly a trade during the regular season, though I can't see Paul George not getting moved this offseason, and the nuggets seem to have a better deal in place, sending high picks to Indiana.

Our best most realistic offer is probably Kelly Oubre, Marcin Gortat(expiring contract next year) plus a 2018 1st and a 2020 1st. Maybe throw in some 2nds.

Yup. That's probably the only realistic offer. Ideally, Gortat is laundered through a third party for some younger players/picks. That's a deal that would likely make them a top 4 team for a little while, but probably still not a real threat to Golden State. Ted would have to pay a brutal luxtax to hold it together:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Beal/McClellan
SF George/Porter
PF Porter/Morris
C Mahinmi/Smith

The crunch time lineup (with Morris at center) could be pretty dominant if they could hold up on the defensive glass. They could switch on everything defensively and spread the floor on offense. The depth is paper thin and an injury to Mahinmi could be a real problem during the regular season, but the team is built for the playoffs.

That lineup is a real beauty, remember though, they would have the MLE and Room exception to sign a big and a wing, also don't forget Tim Frazier and Chris McCullough.

what we haven't talked about much on this board yet, is the fact that Wall and George are good friends and with this recruiting stuff, maybe it makes Ernie step up his offer in terms of draft picks because he isn't worried about rental/losing him in the offseason.

I do this trade if I'm ernie.

[nate33]

That lineup is a real beauty, remember though, they would have the MLE and Room exception to sign a big and a wing, also don't forget Tim Frazier and Chris McCullough.

what we haven't talked about much on this board yet, is the fact that Wall and George are good friends and with this recruiting stuff, maybe it makes Ernie step up his offer in terms of draft picks because he isn't worried about rental/losing him in the offseason.

I do this trade if I'm ernie.

I'm perfectly fine with forgetting about Chris McCullough. He's a non-factor.

I'm not sure what to think about Frazier. I don't mind having a mediocre veteran PG as insurance, but I'd really like for Brooks to give Sato a shot at running the 2nd unit for about 50 games before giving up on him. My hope is that Frazier won't be part of our playoff rotation.

[NatP4]

That lineup is a real beauty, remember though, they would have the MLE and Room exception to sign a big and a wing, also don't forget Tim Frazier and Chris McCullough.

what we haven't talked about much on this board yet, is the fact that Wall and George are good friends and with this recruiting stuff, maybe it makes Ernie step up his offer in terms of draft picks because he isn't worried about rental/losing him in the offseason.

I do this trade if I'm ernie.

I'm perfectly fine with forgetting about Chris McCullough. He's a non-factor.

I'm not sure what to think about Frazier. I don't mind having a mediocre veteran PG as insurance, but I'd really like for Brooks to give Sato a shot at running the 2nd unit for about 50 games before giving up on him. My hope is that Frazier won't be part of our playoff rotation.

I agree on both of those players, I'm just saying, I think both will get some playing time this year. They wanna see what McCullough can do I would assume.

[payitforward]

I'd be completely down for acquiring Melo if the price is right. I know he's never been the superstar he's labeled as but in the right place, I think he could be really effective. With Wall leading the pack and Beal to spread the floor, it could work.

Wall
Beal
Porter
Melo
Gortat

I like it.

Good God... when will the corpse of this idea be removed!

Just for starters, Carmelo takes @50% more shots than Markieff Morris (& he takes them at a lower % than Markieff too). Where will those extra shots come from?

You want to take them from Porter, whose TS% is almost 10 percentage points higher? Beal? 7 percentage points higher? Wall? 1% higher than Anthony. Gortat? 6% higher. Mahinmi? 7% higher.

We'd score a lot fewer points. Do you think Anthony would make up the difference with his defense? Moreover, as bad a rebounder as Kieff is, Anthony is even worse. including that he's a worse offensive rebounder. Turns it over more. Gets fewer steals

All that adds up to fewer shots for our team -- to go along w/ the lower overall % on the shots we do get.

Worst of all: Melo is a 3 not a 4. He'd wind up taking minutes from Porter at least as much as from Morris.

[payitforward]

Let's just say no to Melo and move on... stick a fork in him.

Why ? if the deal is right ? hats the harm, he is infinitely better than anyone we had on our bench last year. he would be an eilite 6 th man, es the scoring punch you need off a bench.

I know this will be hard to believe, because after all he scores a lot of points, but Carmelo Anthony is not a good player any more. Not even close. His numbers suck.

Now I'm going to hear that he score 26 points / 40 minutes last year. As if nothing else mattered. As if the fact that he scored those points at an efficiency that was below average, while rebounding at a below average rate, getting steals at a below average rate, & turning the ball over at an above average... as if none of that mattered.

So, no, Carmelo is not someone we want. & we certainly don't want his salary.

[payitforward]

The idea of Wall/Beal/George/Morris/Gortat is pretty juicy

Admittedly, I am starting to come around to the idea. PG had his most efficient season of his career last year....

You mean he had the highest TS% of his career. Which is true. & it was only 4 percentage points lower than Otto Porter.

The great thing is that rebounds don't matter, turnovers don't matter, the fact that he'll leave in a year doesn't matter.

Nothing matters. Lets give as much of the team away for him as we can. After all, the more you give for a guy the better that proves he is. Right?

[nate33]

Yup. That's probably the only realistic offer. Ideally, Gortat is laundered through a third party for some younger players/picks. That's a deal that would likely make them a top 4 team for a little while, but probably still not a real threat to Golden State. Ted would have to pay a brutal luxtax to hold it together:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Beal/McClellan
SF George/Porter
PF Porter/Morris
C Mahinmi/Smith

The crunch time lineup (with Morris at center) could be pretty dominant if they could hold up on the defensive glass. They could switch on everything defensively and spread the floor on offense. The depth is paper thin and an injury to Mahinmi could be a real problem during the regular season, but the team is built for the playoffs.

That lineup is a real beauty, remember though, they would have the MLE and Room exception to sign a big and a wing, also don't forget Tim Frazier and Chris McCullough.

what we haven't talked about much on this board yet, is the fact that Wall and George are good friends and with this recruiting stuff, maybe it makes Ernie step up his offer in terms of draft picks because he isn't worried about rental/losing him in the offseason.

I do this trade if I'm ernie.

If we really want to go this route, let's use the MLE (as you mentioned) on Darren Collison.

That gives us a 3-guard rotation of Wall, Beal and Collison, and a 3-forward rotation of George, Porter and Morris. Mahinmi and Smith hold down the center position for 40 minutes a night and get a reduced role in the playoffs. Hopefully, guys like Sato and Mack develop along the way and give us a few useful minutes a game.

Could we talk Nene into a 1-year deal at the vet minimum? Or maybe pick up a big man off waivers after the Trade Deadline?

[Rafael122]

Alright Real(GM)eniuses, the Ticker says Wall has been recruiting Paul George. Given our fiscal situation, Is there any way to make this happen? I'm assuming we'd have to give up Otto and probably a future #1 (2019?). I'm sure we'd have to find a way to off-load another bad contract, too. Could this happen?

No, Otto would have to be a sign and trade which never happens anymore. We won't have the cap space next offseason to sign him straight up. It would have to be a trade involving Oubre and picks this offseason, or possibly a trade during the regular season, though I can't see Paul George not getting moved this offseason, and the nuggets seem to have a better deal in place, sending high picks to Indiana.

Our best most realistic offer is probably Kelly Oubre, Marcin Gortat(expiring contract next year) plus a 2018 1st and a 2020 1st. Maybe throw in some 2nds.

Yup. That's probably the only realistic offer. Ideally, Gortat is laundered through a third party for some younger players/picks. That's a deal that would likely make them a top 4 team for a little while, but probably still not a real threat to Golden State. Ted would have to pay a brutal luxtax to hold it together:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Beal/McClellan
SF George/Porter
PF Porter/Morris
C Mahinmi/Smith

The crunch time lineup (with Morris at center) could be pretty dominant if they could hold up on the defensive glass. They could switch on everything defensively and spread the floor on offense. The depth is paper thin and an injury to Mahinmi could be a real problem during the regular season, but the team is built for the playoffs.

I'm always looking at Sacramento. They have $55 million in cap room so they can easily absorb Gortat's contract (or Mahinmi's) without trading any of their players.

Indiana gets: Kelly Oubre, 2019 1st round pick unprotected
Sacramento gets: Marcin Gortat, 2021 1st round pick unprotected
Washington gets: Paul George

IDK if that's feasible or not.

[NatP4]

Yup. That's probably the only realistic offer. Ideally, Gortat is laundered through a third party for some younger players/picks. That's a deal that would likely make them a top 4 team for a little while, but probably still not a real threat to Golden State. Ted would have to pay a brutal luxtax to hold it together:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Beal/McClellan
SF George/Porter
PF Porter/Morris
C Mahinmi/Smith

The crunch time lineup (with Morris at center) could be pretty dominant if they could hold up on the defensive glass. They could switch on everything defensively and spread the floor on offense. The depth is paper thin and an injury to Mahinmi could be a real problem during the regular season, but the team is built for the playoffs.

That lineup is a real beauty, remember though, they would have the MLE and Room exception to sign a big and a wing, also don't forget Tim Frazier and Chris McCullough.

what we haven't talked about much on this board yet, is the fact that Wall and George are good friends and with this recruiting stuff, maybe it makes Ernie step up his offer in terms of draft picks because he isn't worried about rental/losing him in the offseason.

I do this trade if I'm ernie.

If we really want to go this route, let's use the MLE (as you mentioned) on Darren Collison.

That gives us a 3-guard rotation of Wall, Beal and Collison, and a 3-forward rotation of George, Porter and Morris. Mahinmi and Smith hold down the center position for 40 minutes a night and get a reduced role in the playoffs. Hopefully, guys like Sato and Mack develop along the way and give us a few useful minutes a game.

Could we talk Nene into a 1-year deal at the vet minimum? Or maybe pick up a big man off waivers after the Trade Deadline?

Well I wouldn't do that, I would use the MLE on a wing and assume Otto starts at the 4. Someone like Jeff Green/Rudy Gay/ Galo/ Iggy. Then use the room exception or maybe another trade to acquire another true big. I'm riding with Sato and Mac and assuming Frazier is the veteran guard you speak of

Wall/Sato/Frazier
Beal/Mac/Sato
George/(MLE wing)/Otto
Otto/Morris/George
Mahinmi/Smith/(acquired player)/Morris

Now all of this is assuming Ernie pulls off a good deal for a star player, signs a decent player for the MLE, and gets Otto to leave a few million on the table. Time for us to come back to reality.

Also: Brooks has said that he thinks Sato is a 3 position player, so maybe they do acquire a good point guard like Collison and Sato and Mac handle the wing minutes. Although I don't have a lot of faith in that because of the Frazier acquisition

[JWizmentality]

Yup. That's probably the only realistic offer. Ideally, Gortat is laundered through a third party for some younger players/picks. That's a deal that would likely make them a top 4 team for a little while, but probably still not a real threat to Golden State. Ted would have to pay a brutal luxtax to hold it together:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Beal/McClellan
SF George/Porter
PF Porter/Morris
C Mahinmi/Smith

The crunch time lineup (with Morris at center) could be pretty dominant if they could hold up on the defensive glass. They could switch on everything defensively and spread the floor on offense. The depth is paper thin and an injury to Mahinmi could be a real problem during the regular season, but the team is built for the playoffs.

That lineup is a real beauty, remember though, they would have the MLE and Room exception to sign a big and a wing, also don't forget Tim Frazier and Chris McCullough.

what we haven't talked about much on this board yet, is the fact that Wall and George are good friends and with this recruiting stuff, maybe it makes Ernie step up his offer in terms of draft picks because he isn't worried about rental/losing him in the offseason.

I do this trade if I'm ernie.

If we really want to go this route, let's use the MLE (as you mentioned) on Darren Collison.

That gives us a 3-guard rotation of Wall, Beal and Collison, and a 3-forward rotation of George, Porter and Morris. Mahinmi and Smith hold down the center position for 40 minutes a night and get a reduced role in the playoffs. Hopefully, guys like Sato and Mack develop along the way and give us a few useful minutes a game.

Could we talk Nene into a 1-year deal at the vet minimum? Or maybe pick up a big man off waivers after the Trade Deadline?

I love the idea of bringing Nene back for spot minutes off the bench.

[NatP4]

How many 1st round picks are you allowed to trade? Lol. I really believe that if we could make a deal and keep Otto, we are in the NBA finals next year.

Who cares if you win, getting to the finals would be huge for this franchise.

[NatP4]

I'm gonna watch Paul George highlights for an hour now