Kristaps Porzingis E:60 Episode Discussion Thread (Sunday @ 9AM EST)

[levendis]

OMG he didn't trade any first round picks!! He should executive of the year for that! I swear some of you guys are suffering from some sort of trauma. It's like the woman who praises her verbally abusive husband because of the fact that he doesn't put his hands on her.

I say the same thing.

should we hang phil's jersey in the rafters for not trading a first round pick?

Pretty hilarious when you give reasons why he's put the Knicks in the best possition in over 10 years and your only response is well he should be doing that. Cool, I wish Isiah, Grunwald and Walsh knew that. His biggest mistake as an executive was resigning Melo, and he's paying for that. Never called him a good executive, just a lot better than people make him out to be. People acting like he ruined the franchise which is just an idiotic statement. Once he leaves we'll be back in the business of trading 1st for washed up players, can't wait.

[3toheadmelo]

I say the same thing.

should we hang phil's jersey in the rafters for not trading a first round pick?

Pretty hilarious when you give reasons why he's put the Knicks in the best possition in over 10 years and your only response is well he should be doing that. Cool, I wish Isiah, Grunwald and Walsh knew that. His biggest mistake as an executive was resigning Melo, and he's paying for that. Never called him a good executive, just a lot better than people make him out to be. People acting like he ruined the franchise which is just an idiotic statement. Once he leaves we'll be back in the business of trading 1st for washed up players, can't wait.

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[Traveyknicks23]

should we hang phil's jersey in the rafters for not trading a first round pick?

Pretty hilarious when you give reasons why he's put the Knicks in the best possition in over 10 years and your only response is well he should be doing that. Cool, I wish Isiah, Grunwald and Walsh knew that. His biggest mistake as an executive was resigning Melo, and he's paying for that. Never called him a good executive, just a lot better than people make him out to be. People acting like he ruined the franchise which is just an idiotic statement. Once he leaves we'll be back in the business of trading 1st for washed up players, can't wait.

hol up
let me bring this gif back one more time

Just stop

[levendis]

should we hang phil's jersey in the rafters for not trading a first round pick?

Pretty hilarious when you give reasons why he's put the Knicks in the best possition in over 10 years and your only response is well he should be doing that. Cool, I wish Isiah, Grunwald and Walsh knew that. His biggest mistake as an executive was resigning Melo, and he's paying for that. Never called him a good executive, just a lot better than people make him out to be. People acting like he ruined the franchise which is just an idiotic statement. Once he leaves we'll be back in the business of trading 1st for washed up players, can't wait.

hol up
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well thought out response man...

[3toheadmelo]

Pretty hilarious when you give reasons why he's put the Knicks in the best possition in over 10 years and your only response is well he should be doing that. Cool, I wish Isiah, Grunwald and Walsh knew that. His biggest mistake as an executive was resigning Melo, and he's paying for that. Never called him a good executive, just a lot better than people make him out to be. People acting like he ruined the franchise which is just an idiotic statement. Once he leaves we'll be back in the business of trading 1st for washed up players, can't wait.

hol up
let me bring this gif back one more time

well thought out response man...

not wasting energy on anyone who defends phil
in fact when i see a phil defender, this is my reaction

[levendis]

hol up
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well thought out response man...

not wasting energy on anyone who defends phil
in fact when i see a phil defender, this is my reaction

Ultimately I agree with you, Phil hasn't done a good job. The Melo contract set the franchise back a year or two.

[bleedblue3303]

I'm just curious. Isn't the exit meeting the perfect time to discuss ur frustration with the organization.


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[ChaosHamster]

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[Greenie]

I say the same thing.

should we hang phil's jersey in the rafters for not trading a first round pick?

Pretty hilarious when you give reasons why he's put the Knicks in the best possition in over 10 years and your only response is well he should be doing that. Cool, I wish Isiah, Grunwald and Walsh knew that. His biggest mistake as an executive was resigning Melo, and he's paying for that. Never called him a good executive, just a lot better than people make him out to be. People acting like he ruined the franchise which is just an idiotic statement. Once he leaves we'll be back in the business of trading 1st for washed up players, can't wait.

"It's like the woman who praises her verbally abusive husband because of the fact that he doesn't put his hands on her."


That's what you sound like.

[Greenie]

well thought out response man...

not wasting energy on anyone who defends phil
in fact when i see a phil defender, this is my reaction

Ultimately I agree with you, Phil hasn't done a good job. The Melo contract set the franchise back a year or two.

No it didn't.

Phil did when he decided to trade our 2nd best player for garbage, fire the best coach we have had here in forever for an unproven one and implement a system that promotes "big" ball in a league now going small.

Had Phil re-signed Melo, helped squash the Melo-Tyson minor beef, built a small ball team around those two and kept Woody while introducing triangle sets(instead of forcing it as the whole system) we would have been a much better team.

In building a roster you must think of what happens next. There has to be a plan. Phil simply re-signed Melo and started throwing **** at the wall. That's not productive and it's rather stupid being that you just gave a near max, NTC and trade kicker contract out.

Our steps back are due to Phil not knowing WTF to do after retaining Melo. He had/has no actual plan.

[levendis]

should we hang phil's jersey in the rafters for not trading a first round pick?

Pretty hilarious when you give reasons why he's put the Knicks in the best possition in over 10 years and your only response is well he should be doing that. Cool, I wish Isiah, Grunwald and Walsh knew that. His biggest mistake as an executive was resigning Melo, and he's paying for that. Never called him a good executive, just a lot better than people make him out to be. People acting like he ruined the franchise which is just an idiotic statement. Once he leaves we'll be back in the business of trading 1st for washed up players, can't wait.

"It's like the woman who praises her verbally abusive husband because of the fact that he doesn't put his hands on her."


That's what you sound like.

And you just sound like an idiot. What kind of **** comparison is that.

[thebuzzardman]

It's the Melo fan club in here

[levendis]

not wasting energy on anyone who defends phil
in fact when i see a phil defender, this is my reaction

Ultimately I agree with you, Phil hasn't done a good job. The Melo contract set the franchise back a year or two.

No it didn't.

Phil did when he decided to trade our 2nd best player for garbage, fire the best coach we have had here in forever for an unproven one and implement a system that promotes "big" ball in a league now going small.

Had Phil re-signed Melo, helped squash the Melo-Tyson minor beef, built a small ball team around those two and kept Woody while introducing triangle sets(instead of forcing it as the whole system) we would have been a much better team.

In building a roster you must think of what happens next. There has to be a plan. Phil simply re-signed Melo and started throwing **** at the wall. That's not productive and it's rather stupid being that you just gave a near max, NTC and trade kicker contract out.

Our steps back are due to Phil not knowing WTF to do after retaining Melo. He had/has no actual plan.

Our step backs was not letting Melo walk and starting a full rebuild. This has nothing against Melo, the team was garbage, we weren't going to be comeptitive, we had to move on. He's not good enough to be the center of a championship team, no one was coming via FA, so there really wasnt any other option.
Tyson had a bad year that year and we were awful that entire year before a fake comeback into the playoffs which of course fell short. Tyson had one good year in Dallas after that trade and has proceeded to suck since then. It was a bad trade, and at his low value, but trading him was the right thing to do. The fact he was the 2nd best player on that team at that time is all you need to know.
The small ball we should have ran went to **** after we traded a 1st for Bargs and got rid of all our players that could shoot 3s. He inherited and aging roster with no assets, so let's not act the franchise wasn't crap when he came in.
And I agree with much of what you said. He's done an awful job trying to win. But nonetheless, he's done nothing franchise damaging, protected assets, and drafted well. Something he should have done from the very beginning, but nonetheless he's done.

[shtolky]

not wasting energy on anyone who defends phil
in fact when i see a phil defender, this is my reaction

Ultimately I agree with you, Phil hasn't done a good job. The Melo contract set the franchise back a year or two.

No it didn't.

Phil did when he decided to trade our 2nd best player for garbage, fire the best coach we have had here in forever for an unproven one and implement a system that promotes "big" ball in a league now going small.

Had Phil re-signed Melo, helped squash the Melo-Tyson minor beef, built a small ball team around those two and kept Woody while introducing triangle sets(instead of forcing it as the whole system) we would have been a much better team.

In building a roster you must think of what happens next. There has to be a plan. Phil simply re-signed Melo and started throwing **** at the wall. That's not productive and it's rather stupid being that you just gave a near max, NTC and trade kicker contract out.

Our steps back are due to Phil not knowing WTF to do after retaining Melo. He had/has no actual plan.

You're claiming we should have built a team around Melo and...Tyson Chandler? LIke, seriously have Tyson Chandler be our second best player as you put it? Unless you assume we magically could have added a second banana with all that non-existent cap space and lack of first round picks. And keep Woodson who has a career record of 315-365, that amazing coach? So you would have preferred a team with those two guys and lord knows what else over KP, Willy, and Frank? I guess if you're content being a treadmill 8th seed team for years. We won 37 games the year before Phil arrived WITH Melo and Tyson and others. 37 win teams in the NBA are in purgatory, always chasing that elusive 8th seed.

[Nazrmohamed]

Ultimately I agree with you, Phil hasn't done a good job. The Melo contract set the franchise back a year or two.

No it didn't.

Phil did when he decided to trade our 2nd best player for garbage, fire the best coach we have had here in forever for an unproven one and implement a system that promotes "big" ball in a league now going small.

Had Phil re-signed Melo, helped squash the Melo-Tyson minor beef, built a small ball team around those two and kept Woody while introducing triangle sets(instead of forcing it as the whole system) we would have been a much better team.

In building a roster you must think of what happens next. There has to be a plan. Phil simply re-signed Melo and started throwing **** at the wall. That's not productive and it's rather stupid being that you just gave a near max, NTC and trade kicker contract out.

Our steps back are due to Phil not knowing WTF to do after retaining Melo. He had/has no actual plan.

You're claiming we should have built a team around Melo and...Tyson Chandler? LIke, seriously have Tyson Chandler be our second best player as you put it? Unless you assume we magically could have added a second banana with all that non-existent cap space and lack of first round picks. And keep Woodson who has a career record of 315-365, that amazing coach? So you would have preferred a team with those two guys and lord knows what else over KP, Willy, and Frank? I guess if you're content being a treadmill 8th seed team for years. We won 37 games the year before Phil arrived WITH Melo and Tyson and others. 37 win teams in the NBA are in purgatory, always chasing that elusive 8th seed.

-Bargnani and Amare expired that summer therefore you could've simply retooled. Build around, not build around. Call it what you like but Carmelo at the time has come off a great season and Tyson was a big part of it as well. Its not like Phil traded guys off for tons of draft picks. He did it to land Calderon and Lopez. So essentially what he said is I don't like our win now players, I like these win now players instead. If he's on the same page as me I would've simply identified that I need to replace Amare and Bargnani with a do over crew. Mid level signings. To me, THAT was the year to go after Courtney Lee caliber help, a defensive stretch 4.

-a Career 315-365 record is actually a great record considering Woodson constantly went to teams in the lottery and improved them. Coaches dont typically have good records until they win..... and then stay with those teams. Woodsons MO when we got him was as a guy whose teams always stsrt at the bottom and get better every year, which is exactly what he did in NY. We had a hiccup in year 4 and Phil decided not to give him the benefit of the doubt. That's what really happened to Woodson. What people fail to discuss is that Phil spent the second had of the season coming to MSG games lurking around, probably had imput in moves prior to his hiring. So in essence, the Knicks have sink since the moment Phil walked in the building

[Greenie]

No it didn't.

Phil did when he decided to trade our 2nd best player for garbage, fire the best coach we have had here in forever for an unproven one and implement a system that promotes "big" ball in a league now going small.

Had Phil re-signed Melo, helped squash the Melo-Tyson minor beef, built a small ball team around those two and kept Woody while introducing triangle sets(instead of forcing it as the whole system) we would have been a much better team.

In building a roster you must think of what happens next. There has to be a plan. Phil simply re-signed Melo and started throwing **** at the wall. That's not productive and it's rather stupid being that you just gave a near max, NTC and trade kicker contract out.

Our steps back are due to Phil not knowing WTF to do after retaining Melo. He had/has no actual plan.

You're claiming we should have built a team around Melo and...Tyson Chandler? LIke, seriously have Tyson Chandler be our second best player as you put it? Unless you assume we magically could have added a second banana with all that non-existent cap space and lack of first round picks. And keep Woodson who has a career record of 315-365, that amazing coach? So you would have preferred a team with those two guys and lord knows what else over KP, Willy, and Frank? I guess if you're content being a treadmill 8th seed team for years. We won 37 games the year before Phil arrived WITH Melo and Tyson and others. 37 win teams in the NBA are in purgatory, always chasing that elusive 8th seed.

-Bargnani and Amare expired that summer therefore you could've simply retooled. Build around, not build around. Call it what you like but Carmelo at the time has come off a great season and Tyson was a big part of it as well. Its not like Phil traded guys off for tons of draft picks. He did it to land Calderon and Lopez. So essentially what he said is I don't like our win now players, I like these win now players instead. If he's on the same page as me I would've simply identified that I need to replace Amare and Bargnani with a do over crew. Mid level signings. To me, THAT was the year to go after Courtney Lee caliber help, a defensive stretch 4.

-a Career 315-365 record is actually a great record considering Woodson constantly went to teams in the lottery and improved them. Coaches dont typically have good records until they win..... and then stay with those teams. Woodsons MO when we got him was as a guy whose teams always stsrt at the bottom and get better every year, which is exactly what he did in NY. We had a hiccup in year 4 and Phil decided not to give him the benefit of the doubt. That's what really happened to Woodson. What people fail to discuss is that Phil spent the second had of the season coming to MSG games lurking around, probably had imput in moves prior to his hiring. So in essence, the Knicks have sink since the moment Phil walked in the building

Phil was busy calling the roster clunky.
That clunky roster would bust the ass of every roster Phil has assembled.

[SelbyCobra]

Janis out here trying to be the beige Morpheus.

[Greenie]

It's the Melo fan club in here

Oh look, it's Mr. Fuq everyone.

[whocares1]

I'm just curious. Isn't the exit meeting the perfect time to discuss ur frustration with the organization.


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He knew what Phil's answer was going to be. He knew Phil was done with Melo.

[thebuzzardman]

It's the Melo fan club in here

Oh look, it's Mr. Fuq everyone.

I try to spread it around

I mean, it's the Knicks. There are lots of Fuqs to spread around.