Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII

[nate33]

I'm always looking at Sacramento. They have $55 million in cap room so they can easily absorb Gortat's contract (or Mahinmi's) without trading any of their players.

Indiana gets: Kelly Oubre, 2019 1st round pick unprotected
Sacramento gets: Marcin Gortat, 2021 1st round pick unprotected
Washington gets: Paul George

IDK if that's feasible or not.

Gortat has positive value. We wouldn't need to cough up a pick to unload him. His contract is decent. Sacramento would probably take him for nothing, allowing us to give our 2021 1st to Indiana.

[nate33]

Well I wouldn't do that, I would use the MLE on a wing and assume Otto starts at the 4. Someone like Jeff Green/Rudy Gay/ Galo/ Iggy. Then use the room exception or maybe another trade to acquire another true big. I'm riding with Sato and Mac and assuming Frazier is the veteran guard you speak of

Wall/Sato/Frazier
Beal/Mac/Sato
George/(MLE wing)/Otto
Otto/Morris/George
Mahinmi/Smith/(acquired player)/Morris

With George, we would already have all the minutes at forward locked up between George, Porter and Morris. Why spend more money at forward when we have huge questions at backup PG and SG?

[Rafael122]

Something interesting I read in the trades and transactions board:

Pacers need high picks to build around Turner and if PG is on Washington with Wall and Beal their picks will be very low. Perhaps a third team could take players from Washington and send picks to the Pacers.

I never thought about it that way, I always assumed we would want a third team to be included as a salary dump off in exchange for a pick. Boston is obvious, but they're not going to help Washington land Paul George.

I looked at teams out West, and one team that may make sense is Phoenix. They currently have their own 2018 draft pick, Miami's 2018 draft pick that is top 7 protected, and Miami's 2021 1st rounder that is fully unprotected. They were rumored to be in the Kevin Love trade w/Cleveland and Chicago and two of the rumored names that were going out were Knight and TJ Warren.

So how about this (edit: full disclosure, I think Phoenix gets the short end of the stick here but they've been trying to get rid of Knight for awhile and Warren is coming up on an extension that I think Phoenix won't pay since Jackson is there)
Indiana gets: Miami's 2018 draft pick (top 7 protected), Washington's 2019 1st rounder, TJ Warren, and Brandon Knight (salary dump from Phoenix)
Washington gets: Paul George and Jared Dudley (from Phoenix)
Phoenix gets: Monta Ellis, Ian Mahinmi, Jason Smith, Kelly Oubre, Washington's 2021 1st rounder


Phoenix would have roughly $78 million in committed salary and still with significant cap room. It's not max space but their lineup has Bledsoe/Booker/Jackson/Chriss/Chandler. Oubre and Bender off the bench, along with Ulis who showed potential.

Indiana would have $81 million in salary, but about $29 million of that are cap holds. Assuming they let the cap holds go, they have $51 million in guaranteed salary. Starting 5 would be Knight/Stephenson/Warren/?/Turner. Maybe they could sign a Rudy Gay on a 1 year deal and flip him at the deadline for a pick, but at the very least they're a lottery team so a high pick in 2018 and probably a late lottery pick via Miami if they miss the playoffs. It gives them the chance to rebuild quickly.

Washington would have $121 million in salaries and cap holds. I'm assuming Morris, Frazier Sato and Dudley would be key cogs off the bench. Sign a backup center for the room exception or BAE (Willie Reed?) and I think you got yourself a contender to at least get to the finals.

[NatP4]

Well I wouldn't do that, I would use the MLE on a wing and assume Otto starts at the 4. Someone like Jeff Green/Rudy Gay/ Galo/ Iggy. Then use the room exception or maybe another trade to acquire another true big. I'm riding with Sato and Mac and assuming Frazier is the veteran guard you speak of

Wall/Sato/Frazier
Beal/Mac/Sato
George/(MLE wing)/Otto
Otto/Morris/George
Mahinmi/Smith/(acquired player)/Morris

With George, we would already have all the minutes at forward locked up between George, Porter and Morris. Why spend more money at forward when we have huge questions at backup PG and SG?

Assuming Otto starts at the 4, and Keef plays some center, who is playing those extra regular season minutes on the wing? Maybe Bojan? I get that Sato and Mac are unproven, but I view them as strengths heading into the season. Maybe use the full MLE on the center position (no idea who's available) if you move Gortat in the deal. But I do like this:

Wall Collison Sato
Beal Mac Sato
George Otto Sato
Otto Morris
Mahinmi Smith

Frontcourt is weak though

[nate33]

[But I do like this:

Wall Collison Sato
Beal Mac Sato
George Otto Sato
Otto Morris
Mahinmi Smith

Frontcourt is weak though

That's basically what I'm saying. Our core is a 7-man rotation with Wall, Beal, Collision, George, Porter, Morris and Mahinmi all getting 25-35 minutes a game. During the regular season, Smith probably figures more regularly into the rotation and gets 15-20 minutes a night but might gets scaled back during the playoffs.

Sato, Mac and a 4th string forward get spot duty of 0-10 minutes a night and probably get phased out during the playoffs unless one of them steps up to become a reliable role player.

[dckingsfan]

But I do like this:

Wall Collison Sato
Beal Mac Sato
George Otto Sato
Otto Morris
Mahinmi Smith

Frontcourt is weak though

That's basically what I'm saying. Our core is a 7-man rotation with Wall, Beal, Collision, George, Porter, Morris and Mahinmi all getting 25-35 minutes a game. During the regular season, Smith probably figures more regularly into the rotation and gets 15-20 minutes a night but might gets scaled back during the playoffs.

Sato, Mac and a 4th string forward get spot duty of 0-10 minutes a night and probably get phased out during the playoffs unless one of them steps up to become a reliable role player.

I like it - but what is the trade sequence that gets it done?

[NatP4]

But I do like this:

Wall Collison Sato
Beal Mac Sato
George Otto Sato
Otto Morris
Mahinmi Smith

Frontcourt is weak though

That's basically what I'm saying. Our core is a 7-man rotation with Wall, Beal, Collision, George, Porter, Morris and Mahinmi all getting 25-35 minutes a game. During the regular season, Smith probably figures more regularly into the rotation and gets 15-20 minutes a night but might gets scaled back during the playoffs.

Sato, Mac and a 4th string forward get spot duty of 0-10 minutes a night and probably get phased out during the playoffs unless one of them steps up to become a reliable role player.

I like it - but what is the trade sequence that gets it done?

Oubre+Gortat+2018 1st+2020 1st

Sign Collison to 3 years 24 million with the MLE, he's a UFA.

[nate33]

That's basically what I'm saying. Our core is a 7-man rotation with Wall, Beal, Collision, George, Porter, Morris and Mahinmi all getting 25-35 minutes a game. During the regular season, Smith probably figures more regularly into the rotation and gets 15-20 minutes a night but might gets scaled back during the playoffs.

Sato, Mac and a 4th string forward get spot duty of 0-10 minutes a night and probably get phased out during the playoffs unless one of them steps up to become a reliable role player.

I like it - but what is the trade sequence that gets it done?

Oubre+Gortat+2018 1st+2020 1st

Sign Collison to 3 years 24 million with the MLE, he's a UFA.

Exactly. With the possible tweak of Gortat being sent to Sacramento so that Indy frees up more cap room. Maybe Sacramento throws in a 2nd round pick (to Indy).

I'm not sure if that's the best offer on the table. Indy might prefer to simply take Love from Cleveland. But I think it's a fair offer for a guy who is 1 year away from being an unrestricted free agent (with a stated preference of going to Los Angeles). Indeed, I wouldn't make the offer unless I had high confidence that George would stay.

[NatP4]

I would think that a high upside prospect in Oubre, cap space in Gortat, and multiple 1sts are better for a rebuild than Kevin Love honestly. But if they get something like Gary Harris and higher picks from Denver, they probably prefer that.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

What about this trade that I posted in the article?
I'd rather keep Otto and move him to the 4. He rebounds better than Morris anyway.

Wiz trade: Oubre + 2018 1st rd pick + 2020 lotto protected 1st rd pick + Mahinmi + Morris
Wiz get: PG

76ers trade: 2018 lotto protected 1st rd pick
76ers get: Morris

Pacers trade: PG
Pacers get: Oubre + 2018 1st rd pick + 2020 lotto protected 1st rd pick + 2018 lotto protected 1st rd pick (76ers) + Mahinmi

[80sballboy]

That's an awful lot to trade for PG. You better have an oral agreement that he's going to sign an extension before you give up two players and two first-round picks. Sounds like the Chris Webber trade in 1994 for Googs and 3 firsts.

[NatP4]

I mean it's the same basic idea, but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract and why would the sixers trade a 1st for Morris

[DANNYLANDOVER]

That's an awful lot to trade for PG. You better have an oral agreement that he's going to sign an extension before you give up two players and two first-round picks. Sounds like the Chris Webber trade in 1994 for Googs and 3 firsts.

Not really, we would need at least a 1st rd pick to dump Mahinmi's contract. If Indiana says yes to that trade. Take it and run!

[DANNYLANDOVER]

That's an awful lot to trade for PG. You better have an oral agreement that he's going to sign an extension before you give up two players and two first-round picks. Sounds like the Chris Webber trade in 1994 for Googs and 3 firsts.

Not really, we would need at least a 1st rd pick to dump Mahinmi's contract. If Indiana says yes to that trade. Take it and run!

Obviously, any trade would be contingent on PG signing an extension.

[80sballboy]

That's an awful lot to trade for PG. You better have an oral agreement that he's going to sign an extension before you give up two players and two first-round picks. Sounds like the Chris Webber trade in 1994 for Googs and 3 firsts.

Not really, we would need at least a 1st rd pick to dump Mahinmi's contract. If Indiana says yes to that trade. Take it and run!

Kind of mortgaging the future which is what John Nash did in 1994. The chances of making that deal and Indiana accepting are based more in fantasy then reality.

[pcbothwel]

Assuming the trade is built around Otto & Gortat (3rd team) for PG13, then I would be more comfortable next summer should he leave.
I think Jason Smith looks good as a stretch 5 this year and opts out. We then only have to dump Morris for cap space and draft pick and we then have 30M+ in cap space. No need to dump Mahinmi.

Cousins, DeAndre, Favors, etc. are pretty good plan B's

[80sballboy]

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/27/15879672/john-wall-paul-george-trade-wizards-pacers-nba?utm_campaign=sbnation.social&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sbnation&utm_source=twitter

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I mean it's the same basic idea, but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract

Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.

[80sballboy]

You knew Jerry Brewer would eventually comment on the PG not-so-likely trade.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/john-wall-wants-wizards-to-get-paul-george-this-is-what-they-should-be-hearing/2017/06/27/b17e5f1c-5b60-11e7-9fc6-c7ef4bc58d13_story.html

[Dat2U]

Assuming the trade is built around Otto & Gortat (3rd team) for PG13, then I would be more comfortable next summer should he leave.
I think Jason Smith looks good as a stretch 5 this year and opts out. We then only have to dump Morris for cap space and draft pick and we then have 30M+ in cap space. No need to dump Mahinmi.

Cousins, DeAndre, Favors, etc. are pretty good plan B's

Otto will likely make more than Paul George next season. Trading Gortat AND Otto doesn't work cap wise.

I also see Otto having no impetus to agree to a S&T with Indiana. Only way to make a trade work is a deal centered around Gortat, Oubre & picks.