Draft Talk Aftermath - Who will win Rookie of the Year?

[King4Day]

Has Knight, Bledsoe, or Dudley said anything about our draft? I haven't seen anything and it would make me think it's because they aren't certain they will remain with the squad (Dudley especially after the trade rumor)

[NTB]

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/eric-bledsoe-1.html

Bledsoe's NCAA shooting numbers: 66.7% FT, 38.3% 3PT

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bledser01.html

Bledsoe became a 84% FT shooter and 35% 3pt shooter in NBA. First 2 seasons was terrible for him though.

So hopefully JJ can increase his percentages especially for FTs

[WeekapaugGroove]

Breaking news breaking news breaking news.... Amin Elhassan took a shot at the Suns for picking Jackson saying they already had too many wings. Shocking I know. LOL

So I just learned that him and Brian Windhorst have a podcast together, which is really something since they might be the two NBA reporters I dislike the most, so naturally I had to give it a listen. They did a live draft thing and it was as bad as I thought it would be so I was really looking forward to seeing how Amin could take his normal pot shot at the suns and he didn't disappoint. I mean come on dude at least rip Jackson as a prospect or something don't go to the "what are the suns doing with a million wings." I mean of all things the fit standpoint is probably the weakest argument you could come up with.

Amin - if you are reading this (and you might be because you seem like a super sensitive punk) just get over it dude. You got fired, it happens just move on with your life.

Did he say who he thought the Suns should draft? I'm guessing Markkanen or Collins? We have an abundance of guards too. Maybe he feels the Suns don't know how the off-season works where trades can lead to moving players off the team to make room for others.

No he didn't offer any suggestions on who the Suns should have drafted; I think he just wanted to take a shot regardless of the pick.

Cary - I get that's his whole hatehard shtick but he especially has it in for the Suns because they fired him about 10 years ago. The only basketball guys I actually respect on ESPN are Lowe and Russillo. I really don't give a **** what Amin or Windhorst has to say and just had to give it a hate listen when I found out they put those two clowns on the same show.

[NTB]

Also, Giannis Antetokounmpo is starting to dominate the league and he is a 27% 3pt shooter. (and 74% ft shooter)

I know he does everything else except shooting and so can Josh Jackson! I think JJ will at least shoot 32-33% from 3pt and if he can improve his FT% just to 70% then sky is the limit for him.

[Villalobos]

IMO, Jimmy Butler is a better comp and more realistic ceiling for Josh than guys like Giannis, Kawhi etc. Both are super competitive, have mediocre wingspans and questionable jumpshots.

Josh, while a good athlete, isn't the physical specimen that those other guys are. They have a ridiculous length advantage that helps so much with defense and getting to and finishing at the rim.

[NTB]

IMO, Jimmy Butler is a better comp and more realistic ceiling for Josh than guys like Giannis, Kawhi etc. Both are super competitive, have mediocre wingspans and questionable jumpshots.

Josh, while a good athlete, isn't the physical specimen that those other guys are. They have a ridiculous length advantage that helps so much with defense and getting to and finishing at the rim.

Of course they are not alike but my point was even in this era of basketball, a player can be successfull without a good perimeter shooting. I'm almost sure that Jackson won't be a bust.

[Zelaznyrules]

Breaking news breaking news breaking news.... Amin Elhassan took a shot at the Suns for picking Jackson saying they already had too many wings. Shocking I know. LOL

So I just learned that him and Brian Windhorst have a podcast together, which is really something since they might be the two NBA reporters I dislike the most, so naturally I had to give it a listen. They did a live draft thing and it was as bad as I thought it would be so I was really looking forward to seeing how Amin could take his normal pot shot at the suns and he didn't disappoint. I mean come on dude at least rip Jackson as a prospect or something don't go to the "what are the suns doing with a million wings." I mean of all things the fit standpoint is probably the weakest argument you could come up with.

Amin - if you are reading this (and you might be because you seem like a super sensitive punk) just get over it dude. You got fired, it happens just move on with your life.

Did he say who he thought the Suns should draft? I'm guessing Markkanen or Collins? We have an abundance of guards too. Maybe he feels the Suns don't know how the off-season works where trades can lead to moving players off the team to make room for others.

No he didn't offer any suggestions on who the Suns should have drafted; I think he just wanted to take a shot regardless of the pick.

Cary - I get that's his whole hatehard shtick but he especially has it in for the Suns because they fired him about 10 years ago. The only basketball guys I actually respect on ESPN are Lowe and Russillo. I really don't give a **** what Amin or Windhorst has to say and just had to give it a hate listen when I found out they put those two clowns on the same show.

And it doesn't matter to him that we were the ones that gave him his foot in the door in the first place, when he started as an intern here. And IIRC, he wasn't really fired, wasn't he just part of an outgoing regime and we elected to not offer him a contract? Anyway, he rarely misses a chance to take a shot at the Suns or help spread a weak rumor about us. Windhorst, through association with Amin, has also chimed in a few times. Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with both of them for quite awhile, or at least Amin, as he looks to be the flavor of the decade at ESPN.

[bwgood77]

Also, Giannis Antetokounmpo is starting to dominate the league and he is a 27% 3pt shooter. (and 74% ft shooter)

I know he does everything else except shooting and so can Josh Jackson! I think JJ will at least shoot 32-33% from 3pt and if he can improve his FT% just to 70% then sky is the limit for him.

Those are some lofty expectations. Yes, that is Giannis' weakness, but he just averaged 23, 9, 5.4 ast, 2 blk, 1.6 stl. He still had a TS% of about 60%.

[NTB]

Also, Giannis Antetokounmpo is starting to dominate the league and he is a 27% 3pt shooter. (and 74% ft shooter)

I know he does everything else except shooting and so can Josh Jackson! I think JJ will at least shoot 32-33% from 3pt and if he can improve his FT% just to 70% then sky is the limit for him.

Those are some lofty expectations. Yes, that is Giannis' weakness, but he just averaged 23, 9, 5.4 ast, 2 blk, 1.6 stl. He still had a TS% of about 60%.

Yes? I didn't say he is a bad player. I believe Jackson can do similar in the future.

[bwgood77]

IMO, Jimmy Butler is a better comp and more realistic ceiling for Josh than guys like Giannis, Kawhi etc. Both are super competitive, have mediocre wingspans and questionable jumpshots.

Josh, while a good athlete, isn't the physical specimen that those other guys are. They have a ridiculous length advantage that helps so much with defense and getting to and finishing at the rim.

Of course they are not alike but my point was even in this era of basketball, a player can be successfull without a good perimeter shooting. I'm almost sure that Jackson won't be a bust.

If he is surrounded by great shooting. Milwaukee had 5 guys who played 18 minutes or more who shot over 40% from 3. Middleton over 30 mpg, 43.3%, Snell over 29 mpg, 40.6%, Brogdon over 26 mpg, 40.4%, Terry over 18 mpg, 42.7% and Beasley over 16 mpg and 41.9%. He plays mostly with a bunch of floor spreaders who can't be left open at all to allow him to dominate around the rim, and if they help, he passes out for a 3. He's also a phenomenal defender.

[bwgood77]

Also, Giannis Antetokounmpo is starting to dominate the league and he is a 27% 3pt shooter. (and 74% ft shooter)

I know he does everything else except shooting and so can Josh Jackson! I think JJ will at least shoot 32-33% from 3pt and if he can improve his FT% just to 70% then sky is the limit for him.

Those are some lofty expectations. Yes, that is Giannis' weakness, but he just averaged 23, 9, 5.4 ast, 2 blk, 1.6 stl. He still had a TS% of about 60%.

Yes? I didn't say he is a bad player. I believe Jackson can do similar in the future.

Well, as far as I can tell, no one ever has. KG appears to have come closest once, but the TS % wasn't nearly as high.

[NTB]

IMO, Jimmy Butler is a better comp and more realistic ceiling for Josh than guys like Giannis, Kawhi etc. Both are super competitive, have mediocre wingspans and questionable jumpshots.

Josh, while a good athlete, isn't the physical specimen that those other guys are. They have a ridiculous length advantage that helps so much with defense and getting to and finishing at the rim.

Of course they are not alike but my point was even in this era of basketball, a player can be successfull without a good perimeter shooting. I'm almost sure that Jackson won't be a bust.

If he is surrounded by great shooting. Milwaukee had 5 guys who played 18 minutes or more who shot over 40% from 3. Middleton over 30 mpg, 43.3%, Snell over 29 mpg, 40.6%, Brogdon over 26 mpg, 40.4%, Terry over 18 mpg, 42.7% and Beasley over 16 mpg and 41.9%. He plays mostly with a bunch of floor spreaders who can't be left open at all to allow him to dominate around the rim, and if they help, he passes out for a 3. He's also a phenomenal defender.

Nice point about shooters around him. But I don't understand why you are telling me how good he is because I already said that he is starting to dominate the league and I'm aware he is a good player. I'm saying I believe in Jackson to perform like Giannis in the future.

[bwgood77]

Of course they are not alike but my point was even in this era of basketball, a player can be successfull without a good perimeter shooting. I'm almost sure that Jackson won't be a bust.

If he is surrounded by great shooting. Milwaukee had 5 guys who played 18 minutes or more who shot over 40% from 3. Middleton over 30 mpg, 43.3%, Snell over 29 mpg, 40.6%, Brogdon over 26 mpg, 40.4%, Terry over 18 mpg, 42.7% and Beasley over 16 mpg and 41.9%. He plays mostly with a bunch of floor spreaders who can't be left open at all to allow him to dominate around the rim, and if they help, he passes out for a 3. He's also a phenomenal defender.

Nice point about shooters around him. But I don't understand why you are telling me how good he is because I already said that he is starting to dominate the league and I'm aware he is a good player. I'm saying I believe in Jackson to perform like Giannis in the future.

Well of course I am aware you think he's a good player. If you thought he wasn't, you wouldn't be comparing Jackson to him. But he's an exceptional player, putting up #s across the board that no one has, ever (as far as I could tell running a b-ref query with his #s), much less in their 4th year. If you expect Jackson to do the same, that would be great, but that's a very tall order, so I hope you are not disappointed if he falls short of that. His normal comps for ceiling like Butler are great too. Isaac's size and length was closer to Giannis, and his blocks and steals should translate, but likely not the passing and probably not the scoring, though he should be a better 3 pt shooter.

[NTB]

If he is surrounded by great shooting. Milwaukee had 5 guys who played 18 minutes or more who shot over 40% from 3. Middleton over 30 mpg, 43.3%, Snell over 29 mpg, 40.6%, Brogdon over 26 mpg, 40.4%, Terry over 18 mpg, 42.7% and Beasley over 16 mpg and 41.9%. He plays mostly with a bunch of floor spreaders who can't be left open at all to allow him to dominate around the rim, and if they help, he passes out for a 3. He's also a phenomenal defender.

Nice point about shooters around him. But I don't understand why you are telling me how good he is because I already said that he is starting to dominate the league and I'm aware he is a good player. I'm saying I believe in Jackson to perform like Giannis in the future.

Well of course I am aware you think he's a good player. If you thought he wasn't, you wouldn't be comparing Jackson to him. But he's an exceptional player, putting up #s across the board that no one has, ever (as far as I could tell running a b-ref query with his #s), much less in their 4th year. If you expect Jackson to do the same, that would be great, but that's a very tall order, so I hope you are not disappointed if he falls short of that.

No I won't What I meant was Jackson has all the tools to be successfull even with bad shooting which is a rare case in this era. Even if he can't be exactly like Giannis, he can be Giannis lite or much different player but my main point is he will be successful IMO.

[bwgood77]

Nice point about shooters around him. But I don't understand why you are telling me how good he is because I already said that he is starting to dominate the league and I'm aware he is a good player. I'm saying I believe in Jackson to perform like Giannis in the future.

Well of course I am aware you think he's a good player. If you thought he wasn't, you wouldn't be comparing Jackson to him. But he's an exceptional player, putting up #s across the board that no one has, ever (as far as I could tell running a b-ref query with his #s), much less in their 4th year. If you expect Jackson to do the same, that would be great, but that's a very tall order, so I hope you are not disappointed if he falls short of that.

No I won't What I meant was Jackson has all the tools to be successfull even with bad shooting which is a rare case in this era. Even if he can't be exactly like Giannis, he can be Giannis lite or much different player but my main point is he will be successful IMO.

Yeah, I think we all think he will be successful.

[JMac1]

Josh Jackson is going to be the first Josh Jackson. He doesn't have to be Gianni's or Kahwi....just Josh. Everyone doesn't have to be long or have big hands, most great players aren't physical specimens outside of KD Lebron and Greak. Kahwi has longer arms and bigger hands, and? What kind of frame did Raja Bell and Bruce Bowen have....for that matter Draymond Green.

Everything about Josh screams franchise cornerstone player. Passion, play making, athleticism, work ethic, vision, passing, even his ugly shot went in at a 38 percent clip (37.8 for jerks). So glad that the top four teams did the old paralysis by analysis thing. We will benefit just like we did with Booker.

We will never get the number one pick and we have to luck into players falling in the draft. The only way they fall is by having some question mark. So I don't expect people to be as high on Josh as some of us, for bias, and the simple fact he went four, so people are almost programmed to think he is the fourth best prospect. I really don't see how the Lakers arent being criticized more for choosing Ball......he has a ton of questions such as, athleticism, half court offense, iso ability, low shot release. But whatever....it will all come to pass.

Edit: this is the one player our entire board pretty much wanted before and after the lottery......and we got him. The only reason we went back and forth over players was we didn't think Josh would be there.

[JMac1]

One more thing....I got a 1:15 meeting at Talking Stick for a tour and to pick up my season tix.

Four reasons..Josh Devin Chriss and Bender.

[TOO]

Josh Jackson is going to be the first Josh Jackson. He doesn't have to be Gianni's or Kahwi....just Josh. Everyone doesn't have to be long or have big hands, most great players aren't physical specimens outside of KD Lebron and Greak. Kahwi has longer arms and bigger hands, and? What kind of frame did Raja Bell and Bruce Bowen have....for that matter Draymond Green.

Everything about Josh screams franchise cornerstone player. Passion, play making, athleticism, work ethic, vision, passing, even his ugly shot went in at a 38 percent clip (37.8 for jerks). So glad that the top four teams did the old paralysis by analysis thing. We will benefit just like we did with Booker.

We will never get the number one pick and we have to luck into players falling in the draft. The only way they fall is by having some question mark. So I don't expect people to be as high on Josh as some of us, for bias, and the simple fact he went four, so people are almost programmed to think he is the fourth best prospect. I really don't see how the Lakers arent being criticized more for choosing Ball......he has a ton of questions such as, athleticism, half court offense, iso ability, low shot release. But whatever....it will all come to pass.

Edit: this is the one player our entire board pretty much wanted before and after the lottery......and we got him. The only reason we went back and forth over players was we didn't think Josh would be there.

I don't often agree with you, but well said.

[Sreister]

Catching up on what we seem to be talking about now, I noticed a lot of people having concerns over TJ and being bumped to the bench and I wanted to give my two cents.

The way we seem to talk, is that our roster is set, with Bled/Book/Warren/Chriss/Chandler, or some variation, and that putting JJ in the starting line up is some sort of disrespect to how amazing TJ is. Can we be real? We are a team that had the 2nd worst record in the league, and we're worried about having too much talent at any one position? We need all the help we can get, and I can't speak for is JJ is that guy or not, but let's cool it on having a roster that's too talented to change. TJ isn't above being benched, I don't think anyone is, to be honest (maybe Book). TJ will be fine, if his ego is that hurt then maybe we don't want him. I'm not saying we need to promise JJ a spot, but I do think they should battle for it.

TJ is a fine player, but still unproven. Physical health, as well as mental health (he seemed to not be himself after he got back, not that he has some sort of mental illness) all point to him not being our locked in SF right now.

My whole rant here is that we aren't good enough to be concerned about having too much talent to bench. I'm fine with either of them starting, because neither has shown they could start for a majority of teams in the NBA. Yet.

[JoRain]

One more thing....I got a 1:15 meeting at Talking Stick for a tour and to pick up my season tix.

Four reasons..Josh Devin Chriss and Bender.

no Ulis and DJJ ?