official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

I'm ok with a buyout ONLY if he's leaving a lot of money on the table. I don't want to pay Melo really close to his full contract and let him walk to a contendor for nothing.

the full amount counts against the cap no matter what. so what's the difference ? all of a sudden people are worried about james dolan's money ?

Is it possible to structure the buyout in such a way that opts out of his final year? Not that Melo has any incentive to agree to something like that, but just wondering.

[F N 11]

how are people mad that melo asked for a buyout ? that's what you all wanted a couple of pages ago. there has been no trade to a favorable location presented him. what do want him to do ? go to sacramento ? you're not being for serious.

1. You dont know what trades were presented.
2. Off course he would want a buyout. He gets his money while screwing the team royally for the second time.

right. like they wouldn't pass it along to the press that melo refused a trade to a contender.

lmao That would be blockbuster you're right.

[Greenie]

There's a bit of misinterpretation of what a NTC actually means. It doesn't mean a productive player can force a buyout or that management has to throw their hands up and bend to his wishes. It also doesn't mean they have to leave him alone going forward. It simply means he has the right to reject any agreed upon trades that involve his contract. He doesn't "deserve" anything outside that ability - nor does it give him any additional power.

It's analogous to a builder coming in to a rural area and buying up land for a development, and everyone sells except one owner. That owner is absolutely within his rights to keep his land and to stay. Good for him. But it doesn't mean he can halt the project, and he usually ends up cutting off his nose to spite his face. He can be as defiant as possible, making all the demands he wants to try and get things exactly the way he wants them, but he doesn't hold all the cards - just the ones involving his specific plot of land.

Understanding this is all business, there's no surprise (and no sympathy) when the home owner ends up like this:



I mean, good for him on some level, but I guarantee you he's a lot less well off and with a lot more unnecessary vitriol than his former neighbors who saw the writing on the wall and moved on despite not really wanting to leave.

I would hand you all my middle finger and count my coins. Don't give out NTC.
Contracts are guaranteed.

[3toheadmelo]

accept the buy out and move on

[chs234]

Melo should counter with not waiving his NTC for on one. Let's see who blinks first.

The Knicks could just counter by benching him, destroying Melo's value. If Melo wants to be a fool and drag this out, that is on him.

So lower his trade value even further when you're the team trying to trade him?

That's a stupid move.

And that's why I could see our brilliant FO taking this approach and failing miserably.

What trade value do you think he has now? The Knicks won't get anything for him. He's on the decline, is getting old, and has a horrible contract. We won't get a 1st round pick for him.

[DaKnicksAreBack]

Haha melo is all about his paper. Told y'all he doesn't care ny. After he gets bought out he's going straight to Cleveland.

[ChaosHamster]

"i hate melo. he sucks. he's ruining the team. i want to rebuild with the kids. i want to tank properly." "oh he wants his money, he's staying". how do those work together ? lol

People think that buying him out is too much, will make whole franchise looks terrible.

But seriously, I'am worried Phil might actually think that. How he said he will not trade Melo for scraps..

He is scared how everyone will make fun of him if Melo is traded for garbage or bought out.. When after than he looks good on another team. And that is bound to happen.

[BrOnXKing1]

The easy solution is just keep Melo if he declines all trades, the trade market will pickup at the deadline when teams are making a playoff push. Melo also will tired of the losing situation by Jan/Feb and agree to a trade at that point.

Do not buy him out! Knowing how greedy he is with money, and his new team won't give much, he will ask for nearly his whole contract amount (at least 40 mil plus)

[Traveyknicks23]

the idea of buying melo out is insane

Im stunned at this league sometimes

Butler, the best 2 way SG in the league, traded for a couple of whatevers
Wade and Rondo being bought out so they can sign with clev probably

and were supposed to buy out a perennial all star so he can sign with the cavs too?

sickening

this league is gross

why bother with the regular season even?

I agree but Knicks fans have been overly emotional for a while now.buy out doesn't nothing for this team but people are looking for a reason to bitch this gave them another reason.

[blueNorange]

Only the Knicks would be the dumbazz franchise to straight up waive Carmelo Anthony at this point in his career. Anybody advocating for that is stupid and shouldn't have their opinion taken seriously.

at this point in his career?

he's decline little by little the past 3 years, which haven't been good basketball. next year he'll be older, slower, and a little more diminished.

and as always, getting rid of melo IS addition by subtraction. get rid of him not matter what. you can't head into camp with him on the roster.

[newyorker4ever]

Melo to the Clippers for Rivers, Crawford, rights to Evans and Thornwell, and a future first or two

Doc Rivers stinks. No thanks. I would rather have Hornaceck here developing Frank, Porzingis and Hernangomez.

Seriously?? lol

[Sark]

how are people mad that melo asked for a buyout ? that's what you all wanted a couple of pages ago. there has been no trade to a favorable location presented him. what do want him to do ? go to sacramento ? you're not being for serious.

I'm ecstatic about it. We finally have a resolution on the way. Or at least the process is starting.

Now it's just about positioning. Phil has the upper hand here, but he needs to be fair to help his image, and not look like the bad guy again. I'd give Melo the 2017/8 contract amount + kicker, but nothing for the 2018/9 player option year. I think that's entirely fair for both sides.

Nope. Run the full contract.

Then he sits on the bench for 2 years, and his NBA career is probably over. I'd be ecstatic to see that happen for the lulz.

[bigtimeRC3]

WTF?

Phil is playing. He doesn't want Melo gone.

Oh lawd. Put Melo in the KP boat.
He's trying to scare them straight.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Why would you let melo walk for nothing?

I get you on that anti Phil but na

if we buyout melo, he wins. he depleted our assets whether it was his intentions or not. it always seems that carmelo wants to play that he's a victim in all of this. im not sure if i can believe that if these things happen by chance ( calling lins contract ridiculous, frustrated over kristaps pick, frustrated over shumperts pick, not getting back on defense, etc.) carmelo is what he is in his career ( a volume scorer with no other skills). He is getting paid well over 20 mill for only his scoring. That is way too much since his scoring is low efficient iso perimeter shots . We can't let him off the hook with the buyout. Let me him play through his contract if he doesn't get traded. Simple as that.

[Greenie]

I'm not even mad at Melo from an objective standpoint tho...Phil tried to drag his name thru the dirt and took every opportunity to **** on him when he could to drive home the point he wants him out. If that was me I'd make Phil's ass pony up and give me my cake so I can eat it too.. This whole thing is a ****

This.

Phil's looking for a favor from Melo?

Get real.

[Obi-One]

The easy solution is just keep Melo if he declines all trades, the trade market will pickup at the deadline when teams are making a playoff push. Melo also will tired of the losing situation by Jan/Feb and agree to a trade at that point.

Do not buy him out! Knowing how greedy he is with money, and his new team won't give much, he will ask for nearly his whole contract amount (at least 40 mil plus)

Melo will never get tired of the losing situation apparently. The team has been garbage for 4 seasons straight now

[god shammgod]

"i hate melo. he sucks. he's ruining the team. i want to rebuild with the kids. i want to tank properly." "oh he wants his money, he's staying". how do those work together ? lol

People think that buying him out is too much, will make whole franchise looks terrible.

But seriously, I'am worried Phil might actually think that. How he said he will not trade Melo for scraps..

He is scared how everyone will make of him if Melo is traded for garbage or bought out.. When after than he looks good on another team. And that is bound to happen.

oh right, THIS will make phil and the franchise look bad. THIS will be what does it.

every single radio and tv show a segment ripping phil to shreds in the last week. all of them. it's a little late to look good.

[Ray Williams]

The Knicks could just counter by benching him, destroying Melo's value. If Melo wants to be a fool and drag this out, that is on him.

So lower his trade value even further when you're the team trying to trade him?

That's a stupid move.

And that's why I could see our brilliant FO taking this approach and failing miserably.

What trade value do you think he has now? The Knicks won't get anything for him. He's on the decline, is getting old, and has a horrible contract. We won't get a 1st round pick for him.

It's not so much getting equal value back now as it is getting out from under his contract.

[DaKnicksAreBack]

How funny would it be if melo won a chip with the cavs?!

[Knox]

he never asked to leave. phil keeps talking about he wants to see him compete at this age and go somewhere else. people here are just making up scenarios.

If he is asking for a buyout then more then likely he wants to leave

they keep telling him he's not wanted

How many Melo Wants out Articles have we seen since he has been on the Knicks ? He denies every single one of them....
My take is where there is smoke there is fire. It's been going on since we brought him here. But go ahead keep sipping on that Melo herbalife

[god shammgod]

I'm ok with a buyout ONLY if he's leaving a lot of money on the table. I don't want to pay Melo really close to his full contract and let him walk to a contendor for nothing.

the full amount counts against the cap no matter what. so what's the difference ? all of a sudden people are worried about james dolan's money ?

Is it possible to structure the buyout in such a way that opts out of his final year? Not that Melo has any incentive to agree to something like that, but just wondering.

i don't know when he can opt out of the last year. if there's some date he has to wait till. but it would never happen anyway.