official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[Greenie]

WTF?

Phil is playing. He doesn't want Melo gone.

Oh lawd. Put Melo in the KP boat.
He's trying to scare them straight.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Why would you let melo walk for nothing?

I get you on that anti Phil but na

if we buyout melo, he wins. he depleted our assets whether it was his intentions or not. it always seems that carmelo wants to play that he's a victim in all of this. im not sure if i can believe that if these things happen by chance ( calling lins contract ridiculous, frustrated over kristaps pick, frustrated over shumperts pick, not getting back on defense, etc.) carmelo is what he is in his career ( a volume scorer with no other skills). He is getting paid well over 20 mill for only his scoring. That is way too much since his scoring is low efficient iso perimeter shots . We can't let him off the hook with the buyout. Let me him play through his contract if he doesn't get traded. Simple as that.

What assets are you talking about?
Are you still on a trade that happened over 5 years ago?

When do the Knicks stand front and center for their lack of roster building, asset collecting and coherent decision making?
We have had damn near 7 years to get our **** together. 7. SEVEN!

[King of Canada]

I'm ok with a buyout ONLY if he's leaving a lot of money on the table. I don't want to pay Melo really close to his full contract and let him walk to a contendor for nothing.

the full amount counts against the cap no matter what. so what's the difference ? all of a sudden people are worried about james dolan's money ?

I just think it has to be an agreement between both sides. I don't hate Melo like some, and see the main benefit of him going being more touches for the young players, but I do think that if he wants out to go ring chasing he needs to ease up a little.

[god shammgod]

If he is asking for a buyout then more then likely he wants to leave

they keep telling him he's not wanted

How many Melo Wants out Articles have we seen since he has been on the Knicks ? He denies every single one of them....
My take is where there is smoke there is fire. It's been going on since we brought him here. But go ahead keep sipping on that Melo herbalife

wait a minute. phil just said publicly that they think he would be better off elsewhere but melo said he would prefer to stay. that was days ago. phil lied ?

[EchelonNYK]

Stop counting Dolan's money.

[thisiskoz]

When sham is the voice of reason in a thread (which he is here) you know **** gone off the rails. This thread has turned disgusting. Bitterness and spite is not a good luck for most of you. I know it's the internet but damn, some of you better hope karma doesn't exist.

Hope whatever happens puts the Knicks in the best situation going forward and they can move on and repair relationships with the players left on the team and hopefully pick a direction and stick to it. But not optimistic about that last part.

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[Jeff Van Gully]

There's a bit of misinterpretation of what a NTC actually means. It doesn't mean a productive player can force a buyout or that management has to throw their hands up and bend to his wishes. It also doesn't mean they have to leave him alone going forward. It simply means he has the right to reject any agreed upon trades that involve his contract. He doesn't "deserve" anything outside that ability - nor does it give him any additional power.

It's analogous to a builder coming in to a rural area and buying up land for a development, and everyone sells except one owner. That owner is absolutely within his rights to keep his land and to stay. Good for him. But it doesn't mean he can halt the project, and he usually ends up cutting off his nose to spite his face. He can be as defiant as possible, making all the demands he wants to try and get things exactly the way he wants them, but he doesn't hold all the cards - just the ones involving his specific plot of land.

Understanding this is all business, there's no surprise (and no sympathy) when the home owner ends up like this:



I mean, good for him on some level, but I guarantee you he's a lot less well off and with a lot more unnecessary vitriol than his former neighbors who saw the writing on the wall and moved on despite not really wanting to leave.

I would hand you all my middle finger and count my coins. Don't give out NTC.
Contracts are guaranteed.

yeah. FOH with all that. if i don't want to be traded, you all can eat a dicc sandwich. and if you want me gone, give me my snaps and i'll sign where i want.

unless carmelo sees advantage to being traded (trade kicker), then he should stand firm.

but people talking like money is everything. if it were, he'd push for a trade.

[Traveyknicks23]

If he is asking for a buyout then more then likely he wants to leave

they keep telling him he's not wanted

How many Melo Wants out Articles have we seen since he has been on the Knicks ? He denies every single one of them....
My take is where there is smoke there is fire. It's been going on since we brought him here. But go ahead keep sipping on that Melo herbalife

knick fans love these articles

[Knox]

"i hate melo. he sucks. he's ruining the team. i want to rebuild with the kids. i want to tank properly." "oh he wants his money, he's staying". how do those work together ? lol

People think that buying him out is too much, will make whole franchise looks terrible.

But seriously, I'am worried Phil might actually think that. How he said he will not trade Melo for scraps..

He is scared how everyone will make of him if Melo is traded for garbage or bought out.. When after than he looks good on another team. And that is bound to happen.

oh right, THIS will make phil and the franchise look bad. THIS will be what does it.

every single radio and tv show a segment ripping phil to shreds in the last week. all of them. it's a little late to look good.

Phil is not allowing media or peer pressure to sway him into a buy out? Everyone says Melo is about his Money he is right to demand it before he goes. But as a "Knick" Fan I dont want my team to take a salary cap hit for a product we are not receiving. So if Melo can be about his Money..the Knicks can be about the productivity they get for their money

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

This latest news actually lowers his trade value even further. Teams now only need to offer something slightly better than nothing, which is what the Knicks would get from a buyout. And from the Knicks perspective, they now need to decide between buying him out and eating the rest of his contract, or accepting some trade that could save them a little money, getting useless players on contracts that are either shorter or slightly smaller (such as the Shump/Frye/Filler deal suggested and discussed a bit yesterday).

[god shammgod]

i had to look up what herbalife is. and i still don't get it.

[Greenie]

"i hate melo. he sucks. he's ruining the team. i want to rebuild with the kids. i want to tank properly." "oh he wants his money, he's staying". how do those work together ? lol

People think that buying him out is too much, will make whole franchise looks terrible.

But seriously, I'am worried Phil might actually think that. How he said he will not trade Melo for scraps..

He is scared how everyone will make fun of him if Melo is traded for garbage or bought out.. When after than he looks good on another team. And that is bound to happen.

Watch Melo make another all-star team.
People are going to be real salty as we watch the Rudy Gay to Rose connection...

[god shammgod]

When sham is the voice of reason in a thread (which he is here) you know **** gone off the rails. This thread has turned disgusting. Bitterness and spite is not a good luck for most of you. I know it's the internet but damn, some of you better hope karma doesn't exist.

Hope whatever happens puts the Knicks in the best situation going forward and they can move on and repair relationships with the players left on the team and hopefully pick a direction and stick to it. But not optimistic about that last part.

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thank you....i think

[Traveyknicks23]

they keep telling him he's not wanted

How many Melo Wants out Articles have we seen since he has been on the Knicks ? He denies every single one of them....
My take is where there is smoke there is fire. It's been going on since we brought him here. But go ahead keep sipping on that Melo herbalife

wait a minute. phil just said publicly that they think he would be better off elsewhere but melo said he would prefer to stay. that was days ago. phil lied ?

Lol I peep that spin job fam

[F N 11]

If you rather keep Melo and fire Phil Jackson after he is committed to rebuild. Your basketball IQ is terrible. Did Phil try to put guys around Melo. I guess yeah. That was wack. Guess what!! He's starting from scratch.

"we want to build our kids"

Yall hear that and still want Melo to stay? I just cant.

So we suppose to let this dude walk for nothing ? Wtf

Thats not what I was saying.

[DaKnicksAreBack]

Dolan might not agree to a buyout.

[Obi-One]

Only way the buyout should be agreed upon is if he gives up the money on the 2018-19 player option. If he wants the full 50+ mil, he can sit and rot on the bench.

[Greenie]

There's a bit of misinterpretation of what a NTC actually means. It doesn't mean a productive player can force a buyout or that management has to throw their hands up and bend to his wishes. It also doesn't mean they have to leave him alone going forward. It simply means he has the right to reject any agreed upon trades that involve his contract. He doesn't "deserve" anything outside that ability - nor does it give him any additional power.

It's analogous to a builder coming in to a rural area and buying up land for a development, and everyone sells except one owner. That owner is absolutely within his rights to keep his land and to stay. Good for him. But it doesn't mean he can halt the project, and he usually ends up cutting off his nose to spite his face. He can be as defiant as possible, making all the demands he wants to try and get things exactly the way he wants them, but he doesn't hold all the cards - just the ones involving his specific plot of land.

Understanding this is all business, there's no surprise (and no sympathy) when the home owner ends up like this:



I mean, good for him on some level, but I guarantee you he's a lot less well off and with a lot more unnecessary vitriol than his former neighbors who saw the writing on the wall and moved on despite not really wanting to leave.

I would hand you all my middle finger and count my coins. Don't give out NTC.
Contracts are guaranteed.

yeah. FOH with all that. if i don't want to be traded, you all can eat a dicc sandwich. and if you want me gone, give me my snaps and i'll sign where i want.

unless carmelo sees advantage to being traded (trade kicker), then he should stand firm.

but people talking like money is everything. if it were, he'd push for a trade.

He would want the trade kicker.

If I was Melo I would tell Phil to serve me my damn cake...all of it.

[nedleeds]

Enjoy your couch you parking cone D chucker. Buyout has to include player option like his nuclear waste 2018 one, **** that on our books.

[DaKnicksAreBack]

Only way the buyout should be agreed upon is if he gives up the money on the 2018-19 player option. If he wants the full 50+ mil, he can sit and rot on the bench.

I have a feeling this is going to be a real ugly breakup

[Reign23]

Why would you let melo walk for nothing?

I get you on that anti Phil but na

if we buyout melo, he wins. he depleted our assets whether it was his intentions or not. it always seems that carmelo wants to play that he's a victim in all of this. im not sure if i can believe that if these things happen by chance ( calling lins contract ridiculous, frustrated over kristaps pick, frustrated over shumperts pick, not getting back on defense, etc.) carmelo is what he is in his career ( a volume scorer with no other skills). He is getting paid well over 20 mill for only his scoring. That is way too much since his scoring is low efficient iso perimeter shots . We can't let him off the hook with the buyout. Let me him play through his contract if he doesn't get traded. Simple as that.

What assets are you talking about?
Are you still on a trade that happened over 5 years ago?

When do the Knicks stand front and center for their lack of roster building, asset collecting and coherent decision making?
We have had damn near 7 years to get our **** together. 7. SEVEN!

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