official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[duetta]

Besides, we don't have a SF to replace him (even if he doesn't defend the position well anymore).

I don't think that I could take an entire season of watching Lance Thomas attempt to take big shots.

[El Poochio]

How deluded you must be for not agreeing on trades saying you cant be away from New York but push for a buyout to go to Cleveland

At least man up for once and say I will only go to Cleveland to chase rings, or hookers, oh but maybe you dont want them to give up any asset, the same thing you never did for New York while in Denver

Decarmeluded

[NYKnicks6]

I think both sides need to sit down and have a professional conversation. This situation doesn't make anyone look good. Also no need to burn any bridges. I personally think a buyout should be off the table. There are still multiple yrs on his contract. Melo needs to give Phil a handful of teams he would prefer to play for. If he wants to be close to NYC and his son, then add Philly, BK to the list of teams. Washington and Boston are also 2 hour flights from NYC. If he wants to be on a contender then add teams like GS,SA,Clippers,Boston, Cavs, OKC, Bucks, and Washington. If it's about money then regardless which team he picks he gets his trade kicker. At this point Phil would need to contact these teams and get a pick between 25-40 and fillers.

I am a Phil supporter and acknowledge the fact that he made some mistakes and handled some situations in an unorthodox manner. I can also understand how Melo felt disrespected by some of Phils actions. However, Melo needs understand other teams execs are also keeping an eye on him and how he handles this situation as well. Once his contract is up if he still chooses to continue playing he is going to want another multi year contract. Other teams saw how he forced his way here, and are now watching his behavior on his way out. Don't give them any reason to be afraid of signing you to a long term contract. I can see contenders lining up to sign him for 4 years/13 million per or 3 years 15 million per. Maybe even some mediocre teams up to 17-18 million per year.

I hope it all ends well.

[NOOB77]

I'm not even mad at Melo from an objective standpoint tho...Phil tried to drag his name thru the dirt and took every opportunity to **** on him when he could to drive home the point he wants him out. If that was me I'd make Phil's ass pony up and give me my cake so I can eat it too.. This whole thing is a ****

Is telling the truth about someone dragging their name through the mud?? Phil never said anything that wasn't true about Melo.


I hate that i've become someone that's against what Melo is doing cause i've always been such a fan of his but he needs to let this Phil shyt go, grow up and get out of New York to a winning team to finish his career on a winner.

As a fan he didn't say anything that is false about Melo. But he isn't a fan he should have kept his mouth shut and shot rainbows up the nations A** about Melo. That is his job as a president to maximize his assets. He is not doing his job well when he devalues them.

[Greenie]

Now we jealous because he has money? This board has hit an all time low lol.



Melo fans talk about everything but actual flaws in his game and the fact that he doesn't want to play for a winner.

Person 1:"Melo is almost last in the league in defensive rating"
Person 2: "You just mad cuz he styling on you"

Then why keep bringing up a trade and his contract? Why keep calling him selfish...financially. Greedy? All about his brand? All about the money?

It comes off as salt.

[Capn'O]

I'm ok with a buyout ONLY if he's leaving a lot of money on the table. I don't want to pay Melo really close to his full contract and let him walk to a contendor for nothing.

the full amount counts against the cap no matter what. so what's the difference ? all of a sudden people are worried about james dolan's money ?

I don't like that the rumor has been floated that the Knicks would be willing to buy him out. I think Phil should have closed the door on that a few days ago when he was going on about KP. They finally did today, which is good I guess, but letting that fester... nobody's gonna offer anything now. Only a complete **** garbage goddamn idiot of a GM would offer anything of value for a guy about to be bought out anyway.

Spoiler:

hi Glen Grunwald

[newyorker4ever]

The way people ride for Melo makes me believe some of you would physically fight someone over him. I don't get it .

hey melo has done a lot for the knicks, like that time he

Led the team to its only back to back playoff seasons in 15 years?

Facts not fiction. Come join reality

Is that what a $124 million super star got us?? Shyt re-sign him then if we can get two trips to the playoffs in 7 years...

[NOOB77]

How deluded you must be for not agreeing on trades saying you cant be away from New York but push for a buyout to go to Cleveland

At least man up for once and say I will only go to Cleveland to chase rings, or hookers, oh but maybe you dont want them to give up any asset, the same thing you never did for New York while in Denver

Decarmeluded

Phil has never even said he has presented Melo with a trade. Melo has never said he has rejected a trade. Phil has said he hasn't found an acceptable trade for both parties. Melo's job isn't to go out and make trades. Melo's stance in public has always been to bring him and trade and he would look at it then.

[Handledatruth]

Now we jealous because he has money? This board has hit an all time low lol.



Melo fans talk about everything but actual flaws in his game and the fact that he doesn't want to play for a winner.

Person 1:"Melo is almost last in the league in defensive rating"
Person 2: "You just mad cuz he styling on you"

God forbid someone wants to play for their hometown team and finish out a contract he signed. Such a loser to want to hang around in the city where his children have grown up and his brand has expanded. What a selfish scumbag.

[Knox]

Then why keep bringing up a trade and his contract? Why keep calling him selfish...financially. Greedy? All about his brand? All about the money?

It comes off as salt.

Person 1:"Melo is almost last in the league in defensive rating"
Person 2: "You just mad cuz he styling on you"

[F N 11]

Now we jealous because he has money? This board has hit an all time low lol.



Melo fans talk about everything but actual flaws in his game and the fact that he doesn't want to play for a winner.

Person 1:"Melo is almost last in the league in defensive rating"
Person 2: "You just mad cuz he styling on you"

Then why keep bringing up a trade and his contract? Why keep calling him selfish...financially. Greedy? All about his brand? All about the money?

It comes off as salt.

We had to gut the team to get him because he wanted to make sure he got his money before a lockout. His value was already "New york only" so we had no competition. However you see common sense as fans being jealous. Just stop. I should stop watching ball since they have all this bread and nice chit. How you sound?

[Obi-One]

the full amount counts against the cap no matter what. so what's the difference ? all of a sudden people are worried about james dolan's money ?

Is that true?? So we owe him lets say $54 mil, so if he took a buy out of lets say $45 mil we would still have the $54 coming off our cap??

correct

But Melo has a player option . So that final year wouldn't count against our cap if he declined it

[Sark]

We paid up the last part of the trade with the Jamal Murray pick. So yea, we've been paying that trade for 6 years.

That pick was never supposed to be that high.

Late teens, early twenties at least...but the Knicks can't build rosters.

No we traded everything away to get him. We could have used those assets to build properly if he just waited till free agency.

I was highly in favor of the trade at the time too. But to say we couldn't build properly is disingenuous because we gave away all our assets.

[Knox]

Now we jealous because he has money? This board has hit an all time low lol.



Melo fans talk about everything but actual flaws in his game and the fact that he doesn't want to play for a winner.

Person 1:"Melo is almost last in the league in defensive rating"
Person 2: "You just mad cuz he styling on you"

God forbid someone wants to play for their hometown team and finish out a contract he signed. Such a loser to want to hang around in the city where his children have grown up and his brand has expanded. What a selfish scumbag.

As a Father I respect the part about his Kids. Keep in mind I have had to leave my own country and risk not coming back to see my own Children. I have that perspective, but how is it okay for us to say it is okay for NBA players to remind us it is a business when it comes to leaving teams that drafted them. Then turn around and use the humanity card when it fits their convenience ? Either it is a business or it is not NBA players can't have it both ways.

[louieOrr]

How deluded you must be for not agreeing on trades saying you cant be away from New York but push for a buyout to go to Cleveland

At least man up for once and say I will only go to Cleveland to chase rings, or hookers, oh but maybe you dont want them to give up any asset, the same thing you never did for New York while in Denver

Decarmeluded

This!

[god shammgod]

Is that true?? So we owe him lets say $54 mil, so if he took a buy out of lets say $45 mil we would still have the $54 coming off our cap??

correct

But Melo has a player option . So that final year wouldn't count against our cap if he declined it

here's what the nba says

An early termination option gives the player the right to end a signed contract. The option cannot be exercised before the end of the fourth year of an existing contract. If the player declines to exercise the option, he remains with the original team. If the option is exercised, he is free to sign with any team.

http://www.nba.com/news/features/fa-explainer/

so i don't think he can exercise it until after this year is done

[Knox]

How deluded you must be for not agreeing on trades saying you cant be away from New York but push for a buyout to go to Cleveland

At least man up for once and say I will only go to Cleveland to chase rings, or hookers, oh but maybe you dont want them to give up any asset, the same thing you never did for New York while in Denver

Decarmeluded

This!

Someone out there wants to use Melo to Compete with the Warriors.... Just wait and see who blinks first

[Da_Mane_Man]

How deluded you must be for not agreeing on trades saying you cant be away from New York but push for a buyout to go to Cleveland

At least man up for once and say I will only go to Cleveland to chase rings, or hookers, oh but maybe you dont want them to give up any asset, the same thing you never did for New York while in Denver

Decarmeluded

for real. i've been thinking this same thing. is anyone in the media picking it up or no? probably not.

[F N 11]

Now we jealous because he has money? This board has hit an all time low lol.



Melo fans talk about everything but actual flaws in his game and the fact that he doesn't want to play for a winner.

Person 1:"Melo is almost last in the league in defensive rating"
Person 2: "You just mad cuz he styling on you"

God forbid someone wants to play for their hometown team and finish out a contract he signed. Such a loser to want to hang around in the city where his children have grown up and his brand has expanded. What a selfish scumbag.

1. did not grow up here
2. I give you that about his son.
3. I give you that about his brand

Now answer this. What does this have to do with basketball and W's? I rest my case.

[shtolky]

These are tweets and actual quotes from Phil about Melo in mid-April. How does anyone see this as "trashing" Melo or humiliating Melo?? I'm convinced people read and see what they want to see. Yes, he shouldn't be talking about this in public as much as he has, but to say he's trashing Melo and being unfair to Melo, give me a break. If anything, Phil was too beholden to Melo by trying to win these past two years instead of going youth earlier.


Ian Begley @IanBegley
Phil Jackson says his 'partnership' with Carmelo hasn't worked out but credited Carmelo for 'carrying the load' with the Knicks.

Steve Popper ✔ @StevePopper
Phil said meeting with Melo was not contentious, but he told him with direction of team he'd be better off chasing championship elsewhere.

Mike Vorkunov @Mike_Vorkunov
Phil Jackson on Carmelo Anthony: "I think the direction with our team is that he would be better off somewhere else."

"We have not been able to win with him on the court at this time," Jackson told reporters. "And I think the direction with our team is that he is a player that will be better off somewhere else and using his talent somewhere where he can win or chase that championship.

"So in our talks this time we talked about how we're going to go about doing what we have to do. We will take into account his consideration. I told him we're not gonna, this is not a situation where we're going to dump you or do anything like that, but we're looking to improve ourselves however we can. We have not been able to win, and that's our priority: to win. So that's what we have to do. And our communication, our meeting was not contentious at all. It was cordial. So we'll go forward with that."

"We didn't talk about that," Jackson said. "We just talked about how we can make things the best [they can possibly be] for both of us. A place where he can go to be competitive, to be back in the hunt, and something that would benefit us moving forward as a young, developing team."