official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[Handledatruth]

That's fine. I support the reasons why he's staying in New York. Unfortunately that has NOTHING to do with his disinterest in playing the way his BOSS would like. Trust me, my boss is a knucklehead who makes MANY rules that don't work. Guess who has to somehow get creative and make it work? Tha's right. The Employees. I would BET I'm not alone in his conundrum.

You don't get the luxury of getting PAID and telling YOUR superior how to do HIS job for YOUR convenience. Neither should anyone else.

You won't retire till age 70 IF you're lucky. He'll be wiping his butt with $100 bill for the rest of his and his childrens' lives.

And that's why this current generation of NBA stars are fake adults.

If you want a team to execute your system properly, then put people on the floor with the ability to do it. Melo was one of the few people on this team that can execute the offense because of his skill set. Yet he alienates him and talks up Derrick Rose who can't even execute a pick and roll. Of course the team leader is going to bail out on the offense when 3/5 people on the floor are screwing it up. Did D. Rose or B. Jennings even know the offense? Real question.

[DOT]

PJax wanted Noah all on his own. Don't believe me, see his quote in my signature.

Again, y'all missing the point, I'm not trying to say Melo is responsible for Noah's contract

But Melo did say he would waive the NTC if Phil told him we were rebuilding. Phil told him we would rebuild at the end of the 16 season, and Melo declined to waive the NTC. Phil then figured if he couldn't move Melo, he'd try to make the playoffs one more time, because he still thinks Melo is a good player, so the Rose, Noah, and Lee moves happened

Nope you're missing the point. PJax would of signed Noah if Melo was on the roster or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

This isn't about Noah

This is about Melo saying he would waive the NTC if we were rebuilding, then when he was told we were rebuilding, he didn't

But keep deflecting

[newyorker4ever]

His boss game him the option in his is going to exercise. The boss then can't blame the employee for exercising the option he gave him in the first place. The fans should be mad at the boss who did a terrible job and gave the employee the option in his contract.

But Melo should of done what he told his boss he was going to do which is to change his game to play in his boss' system which he didn't do. If he would of told his boss that he wasn't going to do it then maybe his boss wouldn't have given him not only the NTC but the contract all together.

Maybe the boss shouldn't keep changing his system. Melo changed his game well and led the team with points rebounds and assists. And the triangle was working well with Fisher. Then we moved away from it as the entire system. Then Fired Fisher went back with Rambis and the triangle. Then hired Horny and went away from triangle. Then decided to go back to it.....

Maybe Phil should be more sure about his system and others will have the same faith in it. Instead of going back and forth

What does any of this have to do with Melo lying to Phil to get his new contract and NTC?? Nothing would be my answer

[Buttah304]

PJax wanted Noah all on his own. Don't believe me, see his quote in my signature.

Again, y'all missing the point, I'm not trying to say Melo is responsible for Noah's contract

But Melo did say he would waive the NTC if Phil told him we were rebuilding. Phil told him we would rebuild at the end of the 16 season, and Melo declined to waive the NTC. Phil then figured if he couldn't move Melo, he'd try to make the playoffs one more time, because he still thinks Melo is a good player, so the Rose, Noah, and Lee moves happened

Nope you're missing the point. PJax would of signed Noah if Melo was on the roster or not.

Phil was ALWAYS going to sign Noah. He wanted him to be a Knick the day he became President. People that really despise Melo live on another planet where their BS excuse is "that was just Phil trying to appease Melo with veterans that are were proven and playoff tested." I have heard that utter garbage on here way too often. Again, Melo or not we were getting Noah.

[Greenie]

Its such a **** joke. Phoenix was NEVER going to give him more then 3 years. And this was coming after he put up 23.1 and 8.9 on 56% FG on 15.4 FGA. I just don't get it. Was STAT that much of a good soldier that people seem to forget it was impossible to get Melo the help he needed because Amare's Knees ate up our cap space. People have never vibed with Melo. Not from the jump. This **** is music to their ears. Everyone still pissed about the assets we gave up to get Melo. I am still pissed about Amare's salary all those years.

Amare's contract did us in way more than anything we traded to get Melo

Granted but Amare at least fit the system we were trying to build.. We wasted 2 or 3 seasons in building an Antoni style offense the minute we picked him up. Antoni said lets trade Melo for a Guard to keep this thing going and Dolan ( AGAIN) sided with Melo. We have catered to this guy with no success.

We saw more success with Melo than damn near a decade without him.

Mike isn't this great coach you make him out to be. He left PHX because Kerr wanted to hire him a defensive specialist. Same **** happened to him here. He was tragic in LA and Houston will meet the same fate.

He's a gimmick coach that doesn't know the first thing about defense.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

80 pages and it's pretty straightfoward. Nobody wants him, nobody will pay so much for him every season. It's a buyout sooner or later.

The NTC he holds all but kills any trade opportunity the Knicks have, not that nobody wants him.

[F N 11]

That's fine. I support the reasons why he's staying in New York. Unfortunately that has NOTHING to do with his disinterest in playing the way his BOSS would like. Trust me, my boss is a knucklehead who makes MANY rules that don't work. Guess who has to somehow get creative and make it work? Tha's right. The Employees. I would BET I'm not alone in his conundrum.

You don't get the luxury of getting PAID and telling YOUR superior how to do HIS job for YOUR convenience. Neither should anyone else.

You won't retire till age 70 IF you're lucky. He'll be wiping his butt with $100 bill for the rest of his and his childrens' lives.

And that's why this current generation of NBA stars are fake adults.

If you want a team to execute your system properly, then put people on the floor with the ability to do it. Melo was one of the few people on this team that can execute the offense because of his skill set. Yet he alienates him and talks up Derrick Rose who can't even execute a pick and roll. Of course the team leader is going to bail out on the offense when 3/5 people on the floor are screwing it up. Did D. Rose or B. Jennings even know the offense? Real question.

Agree 100%. This is the first time I see Phil going all out triangle ft. He got Jordan and Kobe to somehow fit. Not saying his IQ is on their level but he was definitely the "Melo Island" scorer we needed. 2 years ago he was great. Then last year he simply did not give a chi about the offense. Nor did he give any effort on D.

You would think some of this has to do with losing. So why wouldn't he want to go to a winner? Oh thats right his buddy wants to keep every piece so lets push for a buyout.

If Melo is brought out all of a sudden a list of 20 teams would want him.

[newyorker4ever]

His boss game him the option in his is going to exercise. The boss then can't blame the employee for exercising the option he gave him in the first place. The fans should be mad at the boss who did a terrible job and gave the employee the option in his contract.

But Melo should of done what he told his boss he was going to do which is to change his game to play in his boss' system which he didn't do. If he would of told his boss that he wasn't going to do it then maybe his boss wouldn't have given him not only the NTC but the contract all together.

You were in that negotiation meeting?

Didn't have to be when it was made public...lol

Are you still sleeping in Melo's bed with him??

[NOOB77]

But Melo should of done what he told his boss he was going to do which is to change his game to play in his boss' system which he didn't do. If he would of told his boss that he wasn't going to do it then maybe his boss wouldn't have given him not only the NTC but the contract all together.

Maybe the boss shouldn't keep changing his system. Melo changed his game well and led the team with points rebounds and assists. And the triangle was working well with Fisher. Then we moved away from it as the entire system. Then Fired Fisher went back with Rambis and the triangle. Then hired Horny and went away from triangle. Then decided to go back to it.....

Maybe Phil should be more sure about his system and others will have the same faith in it. Instead of going back and forth

What does any of this have to do with Melo lying to Phil to get his new contract and NTC?? Nothing would be my answer

LOL

[Sark]

PJax wanted Noah all on his own. Don't believe me, see his quote in my signature.

Again, y'all missing the point, I'm not trying to say Melo is responsible for Noah's contract

But Melo did say he would waive the NTC if Phil told him we were rebuilding. Phil told him we would rebuild at the end of the 16 season, and Melo declined to waive the NTC. Phil then figured if he couldn't move Melo, he'd try to make the playoffs one more time, because he still thinks Melo is a good player, so the Rose, Noah, and Lee moves happened

Nope you're missing the point. PJax would of signed Noah if Melo was on the roster or not.

You don't know that. He probably wouldn't make the Rose trade without Melo here, so Lopez would still be here, and there would be no reason to sign Noah. Let's not play in alternate realities again.


Your Knick hating sig is just a hyperbolic comment from someone who just signed a player. You can't take that stuff literally.

[nedleeds]

Only way the buyout should be agreed upon is if he gives up the money on the 2018-19 player option. If he wants the full 50+ mil, he can sit and rot on the bench.

We would play him and you would deal. He's still productive and well loved by his teammates.

Run him all of his money and let him go.
It's out of Dolan's pocket anyway.

Can't happen by league rules. His albatross player option gets exercised on the Knicks cap. Dolan's wallet I could give a **** about but having him ring chance with his BFF LeFlop on our cap in 2018 isn't happening. Enjoy next year on your couch Melo or say yes to a reasonable trade to L.A.. Man ... Melo's 2018-19 salary is going to make Joe Johnson's bad years look like Jordan for the league minimum.

$28 million + 15% of his balance trade kicker spread over next year and 2018-2019 (so 4.06 per year, which he can decline, but L.A. is so over the cap who cares). So $32~ million for Melo in 2018-19 against the cap.

$32~ million

Second highest paid player in the league behind LeFlop, for about (in 2018-2019) the 100th best player.

[Knox]

Amare's contract did us in way more than anything we traded to get Melo

Granted but Amare at least fit the system we were trying to build.. We wasted 2 or 3 seasons in building an Antoni style offense the minute we picked him up. Antoni said lets trade Melo for a Guard to keep this thing going and Dolan ( AGAIN) sided with Melo. We have catered to this guy with no success.

We saw more success with Melo than damn near a decade without him.

Mike isn't this great coach you make him out to be. He left PHX because Kerr wanted to hire him a defensive specialist. Same **** happened to him here. He was tragic in LA and Houston will meet the same fate.

He's a gimmick coach that doesn't know the first thing about defense.

I hate his style of play but the man just won COACH OF THE YEAR! GG
I am using him as an example not because I like his style of play but I am stressing we need to stick to the game plan. Because flip flopping on Melo's demands ( anyone else's) sets us back again . I believe Phil's plan was to always rebuild like this but he had to get us into a position where we could accept it. I believe the Melo, Rose, and Noah signing was for us to sell tickets...to still make a profit for the franchise. Sell a winning team we truly didn't have while rebuilding the traditional way. Because New York fans have never been patient enough for that kind of rebuild. A lot of What if's but that is what I feel

[F N 11]

Whenever you ask for basketball reasons why Melo should stay there are crickets and chit. Fact is theres 2 sides. Knick fans and Melo fans.

[nedleeds]

80 pages and it's pretty straightfoward. Nobody wants him, nobody will pay so much for him every season. It's a buyout sooner or later.

The NTC he holds all but kills any trade opportunity the Knicks have, not that nobody wants him.

The NTC, his albatross salary to production / age / health / defense ratio and Phil's rep around the league are all killing his trade value. If Melo was making $12 million he'd be very trade-able. If Melo was an elite defender he'd be on Miami or Cleveland already.

[Greenie]

But Melo should of done what he told his boss he was going to do which is to change his game to play in his boss' system which he didn't do. If he would of told his boss that he wasn't going to do it then maybe his boss wouldn't have given him not only the NTC but the contract all together.

Maybe the boss shouldn't keep changing his system. Melo changed his game well and led the team with points rebounds and assists. And the triangle was working well with Fisher. Then we moved away from it as the entire system. Then Fired Fisher went back with Rambis and the triangle. Then hired Horny and went away from triangle. Then decided to go back to it.....

Maybe Phil should be more sure about his system and others will have the same faith in it. Instead of going back and forth

What does any of this have to do with Melo lying to Phil to get his new contract and NTC?? Nothing would be my answer

Melo did change his game. Every damn year he has had to do so.

Where do you think "Dad Melo" came from? The sky?

[god shammgod]

Just throwing this out there ... I am not sure but could Melo Restructure his Contract to make him a more tradable ? What if he keeps his contract and extends the years. Kind of what they wanted us to do with the Salary cap hit. Would he be willing to do that to be moved out of NY ? Is that even possible?

you can't restructure a contract.

[NoLayupRule]

Only the Knicks would be the dumbazz franchise to straight up waive Carmelo Anthony at this point in his career. Anybody advocating for that is stupid and shouldn't have their opinion taken seriously.

at this point in his career?

he's decline little by little the past 3 years, which haven't been good basketball. next year he'll be older, slower, and a little more diminished.

and as always, getting rid of melo IS addition by subtraction. get rid of him not matter what. you can't head into camp with him on the roster.

as usual you are dealing in half truths at best

next year is Melo's final under contract if he opts out
thats 25mil owed to him vs a waive or buy out of 50mil

coaches determine playing time
melo isnt a cancer to his teammates and if his play is so poor that should help the tank argument

you simply wait it out with Melo unless you can agree to something beneficial to the team

Melo wont want to sit here
he's playing chicken with Phil because Phil, like you and similar people, are impatient and foolhardy and might go so far as to waive an allstar and eat his contract rather than deal with him and be patient

[NoLayupRule]

Just throwing this out there ... I am not sure but could Melo Restructure his Contract to make him a more tradable ? What if he keeps his contract and extends the years. Kind of what they wanted us to do with the Salary cap hit. Would he be willing to do that to be moved out of NY ? Is that even possible?

you can't restructure a contract.

the only thing he could do is agree to a buyout for significantly less than his 50 mil remaining

and again if and when he opts out after this season that already saves us, and the cap, 25mil

[Obi-One]

Only way the buyout should be agreed upon is if he gives up the money on the 2018-19 player option. If he wants the full 50+ mil, he can sit and rot on the bench.

We would play him and you would deal. He's still productive and well loved by his teammates.

Run him all of his money and let him go.
It's out of Dolan's pocket anyway.

Can't happen by league rules. His albatross player option gets exercised on the Knicks cap. Dolan's wallet I could give a **** about but having him ring chance with his BFF LeFlop on our cap in 2018 isn't happening. Enjoy next year on your couch Melo or say yes to a reasonable trade to L.A.. Man ... Melo's 2018-19 salary is going to make Joe Johnson's bad years look like Jordan for the league minimum.

$28 million + 15% of his balance trade kicker spread over next year and 2018-2019 (so 4.06 per year, which he can decline, but L.A. is so over the cap who cares). So $32~ million for Melo in 2018-19 against the cap.

$32~ million

Second highest paid player in the league behind LeFlop, for about (in 2018-2019) the 100th best player.

Yea Sham linked it to me that you can't use the eto until the fourth year is complete. That sucks.

[Sark]

Whenever you ask for basketball reasons why Melo should stay there are crickets and chit. Fact is theres 2 sides. Knick fans and Melo fans.

Yup. I hope the Melo fans all leave with him, but I am sure they won't.