official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[dakomish23]

KT put it best

If PJax got fired tmrw and the next GM literally did nothing, he would of done a better job than PJax.

- no bad contracts handed out
- no trading for bad contracts
- we still get another lottery pick

If PJax is rebuilding he'll accomplish #3 without needing to do 1&2.

Let's see if he does it

[Greenie]

it doesn't really matter since we're trying to build something. and, since anyone they have will be a better defender------> the team defense for the starters will be much better without rose and melo out there together.

and, when dad melo comes in off the bench as a 6th man, he can devastate *their* bench, score points more efficiently, and help the knicks build leads or make comebacks as the case may be.

we need to establish a defensive identity which can then be taken on the road as we try to become a legitimate playoff team, since defense travels.

i think this is a GREAT scenario for both melo and the knicks, so please be kind and don't try and kill my buzz.

You want Lance starting don't you?

Noah
KP
Lance
Lee
Rose

I like his premise. I just don't think we have the roster to make it work.

We do have a roster that could make a Melo KP 4/5 combo work though IMO.

We know that but Phil doesn't.

KP
Melo
Lance
Lee
Frank


Sit defense in front of them and let them carry the scoring.

[mpharris36]

KT put it best

If PJax got fired tmrw and the next GM literally did nothing, he would of done a better job than PJax.

- no bad contracts handed out
- no trading for bad contracts
- we still get another lottery pick

If PJax is rebuilding he'll accomplish #3 without needing to do 1&2.

Let's see if he does it

do you really believe a GM hired would be allowed to do "nothing"? He probably would have ever more of a threat to win and make the playoffs to Dolan after Phil. So that means future 1st round picks would def be on the table.

[King of Canada]

Melo and his agent should be applauded for that deal alone. Leon Rose is one of the best in the game.

It's likely going to be a very long time until we see a NTC handed out again for anybody but a top 2 or 3 talent.

It's hard as fuq to qualify for one.

Pretty much third contracts and up with the same team right (4 years with team, min 8 in league)?

[battabing10]

Who's starting at SF?

it doesn't really matter since we're trying to build something. and, since anyone they have will be a better defender------> the team defense for the starters will be much better without rose and melo out there together.

and, when dad melo comes in off the bench as a 6th man, he can devastate *their* bench, score points more efficiently, and help the knicks build leads or make comebacks as the case may be.

we need to establish a defensive identity which can then be taken on the road as we try to become a legitimate playoff team, since defense travels.

i think this is a GREAT scenario for both melo and the knicks, so please be kind and don't try and kill my buzz.

You want Lance starting don't you?

Noah
KP
Lance
Lee
Rose

who said anything about rose?!? i stated in my post no rose. that's insane. try again and stop clowning.

[Capn'O]

Nets fan here.

We would take Melo off your hands with an unprotected 1st rounder attached for next year. Hell, we will even give you expiring Trevor Booker in return.
Melo gets to stay close to home atleast.

MODS

K

[Greenie]

It's likely going to be a very long time until we see a NTC handed out again for anybody but a top 2 or 3 talent.

It's hard as fuq to qualify for one.

Pretty much third contracts and up with the same team right (4 years with team, min 8 in league)?

Something like that.
Players get traded too damn much for it to happen.

[reub]

its hilarious in a way , according to phil melo is the reason the knicks suck
despite the fact the knicks are 2-16 in the games melo has missed the last 2 seasons

as someone already said melo is a scapegoat to cover up for phil's mistakes

mistakes like giving melo a NTC so carmelo would take less than the max to give the knicks more cap space after the 2nd year of his contract ...

cap space is good , using that cap space to sign aaron afflalo , not so good

melo being schrewd negotiated a trade kicker to give him back the money if he were to ever allow a trade, but until he allows it he is a knick and the only to get rid of him with out his permission is to cut him and pay him every red cent he is owed .

Melo had a WS48 of 0.86 last season, well below an average player. For comparison, Kevin Love's WS48 was 1.63, meaning he contributed almost twice as much to his team than Melo did.

[dakomish23]

You want Lance starting don't you?

Noah
KP
Lance
Lee
Rose

I like his premise. I just don't think we have the roster to make it work.

We do have a roster that could make a Melo KP 4/5 combo work though IMO.

We know that but Phil doesn't.

KP
Melo
Lance
Lee
Frank


Sit defense in front of them and let them carry the scoring.

And give WHG 25-30 off the bench to play with either at PF for stretches. Could of had a fun squad.

But instead it's gonna be

DRose
Lee
LFT
KP
Noah

With Frank and WHG off the bench.

[Greenie]

it doesn't really matter since we're trying to build something. and, since anyone they have will be a better defender------> the team defense for the starters will be much better without rose and melo out there together.

and, when dad melo comes in off the bench as a 6th man, he can devastate *their* bench, score points more efficiently, and help the knicks build leads or make comebacks as the case may be.

we need to establish a defensive identity which can then be taken on the road as we try to become a legitimate playoff team, since defense travels.

i think this is a GREAT scenario for both melo and the knicks, so please be kind and don't try and kill my buzz.

You want Lance starting don't you?

Noah
KP
Lance
Lee
Rose

who said anything about rose?!? i stated in my post no rose. that's insane. try again and stop clowning.

Tell Phil.
He likes the way Rose penetrates...

[MadGrinch]

Deflecting?



You said because of A, B happened.

I tell you B would of happened regardless of A and gave you proof of the interest PJax had.

Then you say wel that wasn't my main point.

You're the one deflecting. Not me. I stuck to what I said. You are not.

And if you had bothered to read my response to FPJax, you would have read that I agree with you on Phil probably wanting to bring Noah in regardless of Melo
Melo wanted to stay despite saying he wouldn't, so we decided to accomodate him by making win-now moves. This is not blaming him for the actual moves Phil made, but by reneging on his promise, he set the direction. Melo makes us too good to tank, so Phil wanted to try to make the playoffs. It didn't work.
And talking highly of a player you just got isn't "proof," it's standard procedure
So Melo is blameless for everything despite going back on his promise then, because he doesn't make the moves himself?
Phil takes the L for the actual moves, Melo gets it for refusing to do what he said he would

Fair enough.

in the knicks final 2 seasons under woodson they were 91-73 .

so phil fired him.

since then they are 80-164

every year since woodson the knicks were supposed to compete for the playoffs ...they just didnt make it and truthfully if you look at the rosters the talent isnt that different ....if anything last season's team was probably the most talented team the knicks have had since the 54 win team .

[Greenie]

KT put it best

If PJax got fired tmrw and the next GM literally did nothing, he would of done a better job than PJax.

- no bad contracts handed out
- no trading for bad contracts
- we still get another lottery pick

If PJax is rebuilding he'll accomplish #3 without needing to do 1&2.

Let's see if he does it

do you really believe a GM hired would be allowed to do "nothing"? He probably would have ever more of a threat to win and make the playoffs to Dolan after Phil. So that means future 1st round picks would def be on the table.

Sometimes the best move is no move.

[El Poochio]

Melo, Lee, KOQ, need min 2/3 of them gone in the summer otherwise we clueless

Teams above us in draft, Nets, Lakers, Suns, Sixers, Kings, Magic, Wolves, most of them improved lot more, dont fcuk this up for some vet fetish

[mpharris36]

KT put it best

If PJax got fired tmrw and the next GM literally did nothing, he would of done a better job than PJax.

- no bad contracts handed out
- no trading for bad contracts
- we still get another lottery pick

If PJax is rebuilding he'll accomplish #3 without needing to do 1&2.

Let's see if he does it

do you really believe a GM hired would be allowed to do "nothing"? He probably would have ever more of a threat to win and make the playoffs to Dolan after Phil. So that means future 1st round picks would def be on the table.

Sometimes the best move is no move.

i don't disagree, but when has any of our Front Office regimes "made no moves".

[Rotten Apple]

its hilarious in a way , according to phil melo is the reason the knicks suck
despite the fact the knicks are 2-16 in the games melo has missed the last 2 seasons

as someone already said melo is a scapegoat to cover up for phil's mistakes

mistakes like giving melo a NTC so carmelo would take less than the max to give the knicks more cap space after the 2nd year of his contract ...

cap space is good , using that cap space to sign aaron afflalo , not so good

melo being schrewd negotiated a trade kicker to give him back the money if he were to ever allow a trade, but until he allows it he is a knick and the only to get rid of him with out his permission is to cut him and pay him every red cent he is owed .

Melo had a WS48 of 0.86 last season, well below an average player. For comparison, Kevin Love's WS48 was 1.63, meaning he contributed almost twice as much to his team than Melo did.

The team sucked.

We don't need advanced stats to tell us this.

But you obviously do.

[Rotten Apple]

Someone post the formula for win shares

[drekwins]

This situation is really simple. Does anyone actually think that we're going to be a decent team this year??? Good, I don't either. Since that's the predicament that we're currently in, he has to go. Our interests are to rebuild. If Melo happens to play unbelievable (which I don't think will happen) and a bunch of other stuff goes right, we'd get the 7th or 8th seed MAYBE. Who wants that?

Besides that, we now have a lot of young talent that we are planning the future around. Their development is priority 1, 2 and 3. If Melo were to stay and play (which he won't), he will eat up touches (and minutes) that would otherwise be given to KP and Willy. That can't happen. We need KP getting the ball at crucial spots and learning to become a go-to option. Even more importantly, we can't have Melo's bad habits infect the others. ISO ball, forced shots, breaking off the system, not running back on D, lackadaisical/lazy defense, etc. You can't have that on a young team. Instead, you need high energy veterans that are detail orientated. I don't know if Melo could be anymore further from that. Furthermore, we only want players that are willing to buy in 100%, learn the system, give defensive intensity and hate to lose. You seriously have to question if Melo hates to lose at this point with the Philly reports. We know that he loves to win but if he doesn't hate to lose, we don't need the young guys being around that.

If a reasonable deal doesn't transpire, then I am all for putting an end to this fiasco via waiver. It's just not healthy. You could blame Phil all that you want but he's going to be here all season. Even the most loyal of fans know that Melo doesn't fit in with his system, plan, etc. They just hope that Phil gets fired first. Well.. he's not going to. Ideally, we would be able to send Melo away from the team until someone gets desperate and is willing to give something up. However, since that's not really done in the NBA, they're likely to just let him walk. It's time to move on.

[MadGrinch]

its hilarious in a way , according to phil melo is the reason the knicks suck
despite the fact the knicks are 2-16 in the games melo has missed the last 2 seasons

as someone already said melo is a scapegoat to cover up for phil's mistakes

mistakes like giving melo a NTC so carmelo would take less than the max to give the knicks more cap space after the 2nd year of his contract ...

cap space is good , using that cap space to sign aaron afflalo , not so good

melo being schrewd negotiated a trade kicker to give him back the money if he were to ever allow a trade, but until he allows it he is a knick and the only to get rid of him with out his permission is to cut him and pay him every red cent he is owed .

Melo had a WS48 of 0.86 last season, well below an average player. For comparison, Kevin Love's WS48 was 1.63, meaning he contributed almost twice as much to his team than Melo did.

according to that stat kyle o'quinn(1.51) is almost as good as kevin love(1.63) and if we went by that stat kyle was by far the knicks best player

[Greenie]

do you really believe a GM hired would be allowed to do "nothing"? He probably would have ever more of a threat to win and make the playoffs to Dolan after Phil. So that means future 1st round picks would def be on the table.

Sometimes the best move is no move.

i don't disagree, but when has any of our Front Office regimes "made no moves".

That's the problem though.
We need to start that. Walsh started this mess.

Went all in for LeBron trading assets
Signed STAT to save face
Made the trade for Melo
Wasted the amnesty
Traded a 1st for Barf
Fired Woodson
Traded Tyson for boo boo
Gave Melo a NTC
Attached JR in an Iman trade
Traded Timmy
Fired Fisher
Traded for Rose
Signed Noah


We need to sit still.

[reub]

its hilarious in a way , according to phil melo is the reason the knicks suck
despite the fact the knicks are 2-16 in the games melo has missed the last 2 seasons

as someone already said melo is a scapegoat to cover up for phil's mistakes

mistakes like giving melo a NTC so carmelo would take less than the max to give the knicks more cap space after the 2nd year of his contract ...

cap space is good , using that cap space to sign aaron afflalo , not so good

melo being schrewd negotiated a trade kicker to give him back the money if he were to ever allow a trade, but until he allows it he is a knick and the only to get rid of him with out his permission is to cut him and pay him every red cent he is owed .

Melo had a WS48 of 0.86 last season, well below an average player. For comparison, Kevin Love's WS48 was 1.63, meaning he contributed almost twice as much to his team than Melo did.

The team sucked.

We don't need advanced stats to tell us this.

But you obviously do.

When Love was with Minny he had a WS48 of .245 in his last season (on a team that sucked). Melo's highest WS48 ever was .184 and last season it was a pitiful .089, less than an average player.