PG Part II: The Summer of George

[return2glory]

Felger said 98.5 has an insider who is sneaky connected and the deal is
Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Lakers Pick
Mephis pick
Clipper pick

This kind of trade only happens with an extension

Even with an extension, it would be a mistake to throw in Smart.

[OFWGKTA]

Felger said 98.5 has an insider who is sneaky connected and the deal is
Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Lakers Pick
Mephis pick
Clipper pick

Take Smart out of that deal. Add Rozier.

That was be a huge mistake. Bradley, Smart, and Crowder are this team's identity on defense. George wasn't even an all-star last year. I like George but he isn't the same player he was 2 years ago.

Yeah he was and yes he is

[CavemanDoctor]

Inclined to agree.

Indy will be fortunate to get Bradley/Crowder/Lakers/Memphis pick for a guy who has made it 100% clear he's a goner. Smart and the Clippers pick should not be thrown in too.

[Bar Fight]

I still think Davis is THE guy ultimately. Not yet, but soon.

Al Horford contract, a top 5 pick and an young talent probably get that done next year if he is on the block still.

Still? When has he ever been on the block?

There is just no way the Pelicans give up a young superstar who they have locked in long term. This isn't a Jimmy Butler or Paul George situation. AD has a legitmate claim as a top 5 player and he isn't even in his prime yet.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah, very unhappy with Smart going out - and if that's the deal and he hasn't signed an extension, it's a major overpay. If he has, it's fair value, but not a no-brainer for us like the Crowder/filler rumor.

[ConstableGeneva]

Felger said 98.5 has an insider who is sneaky connected and the deal is
Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Lakers Pick
Mephis pick
Clipper pick

This kind of trade only happens with an extension

If that's the deal for George and it's a post-Hayward-signing, it will leave us with just six players.

IT-Brown-Tatum-Hayward-George-Horford

[Ben-N1ce]

I'm not tripping on trading guys in contract years. As far as Smart goes..he would help on a title run down the stretch when you need stops but other than that whatever. Make a team at least think about guarding you on the perimeter.

[Celtic Esquire]

Yup say what you want about Kaufman he broke this story 3 days ago..he deserves some credit. Noone really believed him but woj just confirmed he wasn't spewing nonsense

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Kaufman took a stab at guess what Woj reported a day earlier. Same thing he did in the above.

Believe me if you want, or don't-- I honestly couldn't care less. I just made my post because I heard something interesting and wanted to share it with the dudes I enjoy talking hoops with.

I'm not putting you down I'm just saying he was the first one to report it and he clearly was right . Maybe not everything he said but there a plan to get both

SWC isn't saying that Kaufman wasn't the first to confirm the sign Hayward-PG13 trade (in that order) and confirmed by Woj today.

He is just saying that Kaufman is WRONG about what Kaufman is saying is the BOS offer for PG13.

To refresh your memory, Kaufman is saying this is what is outgoing from BOS.

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[Fencer reregistered]

I suggest people look at the CBA FAQ before making intricate proposals.

1. You can trade for a guy INTO cap room (including what you clear w/ salaries going out), OR you can trade for a guy based on an approximate match between salaries coming in and salaries going out. But you can't combine the two ideas in the same trade.

2. The specific numbers for how much salary you can take back are in http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q82 The 150% figure is no longer current (it's 175%), but I think that's the only change.

For most purposes of this thread, if you send $Y in salary out (distributed among as many teams as you like), you can take 1.25*Y + $100,000 back in. That's equivalent to saying that if you want to take $Z of salary in, you need to send 0.8*(Z - $100,000) in salary out.

3. There is no longer something called BYC. The remnants of the BYC rule are discussed in http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89 That said, those remnants do apply to outgoing sign-and-trades, even for guys coming off rookie deals (i.e. Olynyk).

The key bit is "the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is either his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater."

I've said incorrect things on this point in other threads.

[Green_teamer]

It's felger so take it so take it for what it's worth

[3D Chess]

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We barely knew thee!

Sucks that Kelly turned into a really good player and now we have to cut him loose.

[ViperGTS]

Not saying Kaufman is trustworthy, but how do we know your friend of a friend in the Celtics FO is telling you the truth? Whatever that is.....what did he tell you ?
and btw, the Celtics FO consists of 5 guys only and they're very tight usually. Ainge, Zarren, Gotham, the other 2 I think is Ainges son plus another one.

You don't. Hell, I don't. I've never said anything other than "hey, I heard something neat from a good friend and figured I'd share". Do with it as you please.

But you havent shared anything yet. Just that your friend of a friend told you stuff.

Bingo. Just stirring the pot. Which a fine so long as everyone realizes it.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Not saying Kaufman is trustworthy, but how do we know your friend of a friend in the Celtics FO is telling you the truth? Whatever that is.....what did he tell you ?
and btw, the Celtics FO consists of 5 guys only and they're very tight usually. Ainge, Zarren, Gotham, the other 2 I think is Ainges son plus another one.

You don't. Hell, I don't. I've never said anything other than "hey, I heard something neat from a good friend and figured I'd share". Do with it as you please.

But you havent shared anything yet. Just that your friend of a friend told you stuff.

That the deal for PG is done and agreed to, pending Hayward signing and Indy not getting cold feet, when they're clearly soliciting better offers.

[VeryMuchWoke]

Am I the only one that feels like the LAL/SAC pick is too much to give up without a commitment from George? Even with a commitment we would be lucky to seriously challenge GSW in the next 2 years. If Klay walks after 2 years, then we'd be in good shape for year 3, but if he doesn't I don't know if we ever get over the hump against them, especially with IT's injury looming.

[Celtic Esquire]

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[UNCBlue012]

These rumors are going to make me lose my damn job! I can't stop reading.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We would have to waive Zeller (nonguaranteed deal) to max Hayward, wouldn't we?

Or get a day 1 max from Hayward, dump Bradley, and trade Zeller, either unguaranteed on 7/1 or guaranteed a day later.

[Fencer reregistered]

Am I the only one that feels like the LAL/SAC pick is too much to give up without a commitment from George? Even with a commitment we would be lucky to seriously challenge GSW in the next 2 years. If Klay walks after 2 years, then we'd be in good shape for year 3, but if he doesn't I don't know if we ever get over the hump against them, especially with IT's injury looming.

If we're giving Bradley, Crowder and more straight to Indy, that's already a lot. Including a high pick as well seems like overkill.

If we trade them to other teams and get picks back, the Lakers pick might make more sense.

[SmartWentCrazy]

You don't. Hell, I don't. I've never said anything other than "hey, I heard something neat from a good friend and figured I'd share". Do with it as you please.

But you havent shared anything yet. Just that your friend of a friend told you stuff.

Bingo. Just stirring the pot. Which a fine so long as everyone realizes it.

Ive made 5500 posts in over 3 years posting here. Kind of an odd time to start pot stirring...

[Celtic Esquire]

Inclined to agree.

Indy will be fortunate to get Bradley/Crowder/Lakers/Memphis pick for a guy who has made it 100% clear he's a goner. Smart and the Clippers pick should not be thrown in too.

Would you be okay with the deal if Smart was included, but no draft picks?