official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[Sark]

Sometimes the best move is no move.

Greenie,

Why do you want us to keep Melo? I'm curious as to what your vision is for the Knicks this upcoming year. What do you want their goal to be? Also, which moves (or lack of) do you want to see us make this off-season to support that goal? Using your plan, what would you like our projected starting lineup and rotation to look like entering the season? I'm just curious because I'm trying to understand what the end game is for Melo here AND the Knicks.

Drewkins,

Who said I want to keep him? I have been on the trade Melo bandwagon all year. Ask about me. I'm talking moves made up until now. Were you here when everything went down or nah?

So which personality was it that said "Melo ain't never leaving"?

[E-Balla]

Greenie,

Why do you want us to keep Melo? I'm curious as to what your vision is for the Knicks this upcoming year. What do you want their goal to be? Also, which moves (or lack of) do you want to see us make this off-season to support that goal? Using your plan, what would you like our projected starting lineup and rotation to look like entering the season? I'm just curious because I'm trying to understand what the end game is for Melo here AND the Knicks.

Drewkins,

Who said I want to keep him? I have been on the trade Melo bandwagon all year. Ask about me. I'm talking moves made up until now. Were you here when everything went down or nah?

So which personality was it that said "Melo ain't never leaving"?

You don't know double negatives do ya?

[Greenie]

If Phil is fired and the next gm goes win now mode y'all going to be sick.

Nope

[Greenie]

Drewkins,

Who said I want to keep him? I have been on the trade Melo bandwagon all year. Ask about me. I'm talking moves made up until now. Were you here when everything went down or nah?

So which personality was it that said "Melo ain't never leaving"?

You don't know double negatives do ya?

[Greenie]

Greenie,

Why do you want us to keep Melo? I'm curious as to what your vision is for the Knicks this upcoming year. What do you want their goal to be? Also, which moves (or lack of) do you want to see us make this off-season to support that goal? Using your plan, what would you like our projected starting lineup and rotation to look like entering the season? I'm just curious because I'm trying to understand what the end game is for Melo here AND the Knicks.

Drewkins,

Who said I want to keep him? I have been on the trade Melo bandwagon all year. Ask about me. I'm talking moves made up until now. Were you here when everything went down or nah?

So which personality was it that said "Melo ain't never leaving"?

Stop insulting me.

[Amsterdam]

In no terms should Phil bend over for Melo. Melo wants it all: his money, freedom to sign with the Cavs and have the last laugh on Phil and the Knicks.

Knicks will just have to be happy having Melo leave; addition by subtraction?
Nooo, let Melo wait for his chance for a deep playoff run, father time is not on his side.

[xsaberx]

Does anyone know how buyouts work? Can anything be negotiated, or are there rules? For instance, can Melo agree to a buyout for $1? I understand that he wouldn't agree to $1, I'm just trying to figure out if there are any limitations, or if it's just whatever the Knicks and Melo agree on - and then they write up the paperwork and sign.

[mpharris36]

and I've seen that mills or houston will probably replace him. And you know they don't have the spine to stand up to Dolan. So if he gets involved you know building through the draft stops here.

More than likely. Any new GM will typically want to show wins as soon as possible.

Walsh didn't

Walsh missed out on LeBron and panicked and gave Amare 2 more years than any other team was willing to do...can we stop acting like Walsh was a good GM?

He also got ransacked in the HOU trade for Jared Jeffries...

He also draft Jordan Hill with a top 10 pick (atrocious pick)

He also sign and traded David Lee for crap.

I don't blame him for the Melo trade because all indications were that Dolan took over. But again that is still a knock on Donnie for not having enough stones to tell of Dolan. It's still his job to do so.

[mpharris36]

If Phil is fired and the next gm goes win now mode y'all going to be sick.

Nope

um yes

[Rotten Apple]

When Love was with Minny he had a WS48 of .245 in his last season (on a team that sucked). Melo's highest WS48 ever was .184 and last season it was a pitiful .089, less than an average player.

win scores are nice but in the end you have to win

if his win score translated into wins , it would matter , but as it is love has never been on a team that won more than 40 games unless lebron was on the roster alongside him

something carmelo was able to do in each of his 1st 10 seasons

Teammates matter too. Isn't that why Melo could make the playoffs his first 10 years but miss them the last 4?

So now teammates matter?

They didn't matter when y'all bashed Melo for not taking Jose Calderon and Quincy Acy to the playoffs.

[NoLayupRule]

I still love ya, but that is not true. I know this because you were the first person to be awarded Most Valuable Nutrider during the Zeke era. A simple Google search will confirm this. "First Ever Most Valuable Nutrider Award"

again

not so

no such award
not for me certainly

stop spreading lies


I hated Curry so much before we got him and tried to support him when he was a knick but couldn't
I hated losing picks especially the one that became my perfect knick - Noah
I hated the sexual harassment, the whole coach carousel, etc


I dont have to defend myself from your lies

calling names doesnt make it so

I support this team 100% and couldn't care less who runs it or plays for it. Its the team, always and forever.
I see mismanagement and stupidity especially from the front office and I call it out
I see quality from the same and I call it out

Phil has done some good things
his dealings with players and media are horrible though

I'm not criticizing you for your opinons about the team. I was just speaking about the Isiah era. However, I haven't followed you in recent years because I haven't paid much attention to realgm plus the Knicks have been beyond atrocious making it difficult to watch. I apologize if you have changed your views on how the team has been run. But I know what I know and you were at one time a big Isiah Thomas fan.

I'm sure you think you know what you know but in actuality what you know is what you think you know

[ozwizard8]

If we buyout Melo people going to blame KP for losses. I'm calling it right now.[/b]

If we don't resign Rose and trade Melo for nothing but matching salary no Knicks fans are blaming anyone for losses, we're hoping for losses. We have our pick in a great draft. In fact a real Knick fan should be hoping we trade Melo for no salary past 2018. Sign none of these turd middle road go nowhere players like Jrue Holiday or George Hill. Keep our cheap young guys and play them. Keep O'Quinn and Lee until the deadline and try to squeeze a playoff team for a pick, in the meanwhile they are good locker room guys and won't take shots away from our going on 22 year old franchise player. Start Frank. Let him play. Lose. Get Luca.

You dont know Knicks franchise. I wrote all incidents happened before. No easy fix.
***

Trading Melo for nothing, buyout doesnt make sense.
Melo cant interfere tanking process as long as we play triangle. Triangle is great tank commander.
Just dont resign Rose and play with Frank. 20-25 wins.

Phil traded for D.Rose, signed Noah. And the same senile old man runs the club. Why do you think he'll let Rose go? Did you read Rosen's article?
Dont act like its Spurs franchise or sth like that.
We're still forcing that triangle ****. This shows how rational our basketball minds are!

[Greenie]

If Phil is fired and the next gm goes win now mode y'all going to be sick.

Nope

um yes

I'm chilling.
I got popcorn ready for your reaction though.

[ozwizard8]

KT put it best

If PJax got fired tmrw and the next GM literally did nothing, he would of done a better job than PJax.

- no bad contracts handed out
- no trading for bad contracts
- we still get another lottery pick

If PJax is rebuilding he'll accomplish #3 without needing to do 1&2.

Let's see if he does it

If it were that simple, I'd say fire Phil yesterday, but the 8,000,000 lb gorilla in the room, James Dolan, can't help himself. If a weak or less well known GM were to take over after Phil, say tomorrow, there is ZERO doubt in my mind that Frank would be traded along with picks to another team in the hopes of puzzling together a playoff team. KP might be traded too, for pennies on the dollar for another aging vet, because playoffs, not championship, just playoffs and big flashy names to put on a billboard outside the garden.

Phil is a flawed executive, but he has done what no other has done before him, which is to keep James Dolan completely out of the decision making process. That alone is worth it's weight in gold in my humble opinion. If you find me a well respected GM who will have Phil's autonomy, sign me up. I don't see ANYONE fitting that bill unfortunately. We're between a rock and a hard place as a Knicks fans, and Phil is the obvious lesser of two evils and it ain't even close as far as I'm concerned.

I dont think its Phil. Dolan doesnt interfere Rangers too.
He probably stopped doing that kind of stuff. There should be some highly respected executives to sign.
No GM takes 12m dollar per year. You can offer that money and convince a good respected GM to run Knicks.

Phil era is a nightmare for Knicks. Total disaster except KP.
Knicks made playoffs for 3 times with Melo. Knicks losing culture started to change in those years. But after Phil we returned to Zeke years. Its circus thanks to Phil. Players doesnt show up to games, people think your starting pg is dead.
Your young prospect got shot in knee. You do mobbing to your employee.

[Battery]

again

not so

no such award
not for me certainly

stop spreading lies


I hated Curry so much before we got him and tried to support him when he was a knick but couldn't
I hated losing picks especially the one that became my perfect knick - Noah
I hated the sexual harassment, the whole coach carousel, etc


I dont have to defend myself from your lies

calling names doesnt make it so

I support this team 100% and couldn't care less who runs it or plays for it. Its the team, always and forever.
I see mismanagement and stupidity especially from the front office and I call it out
I see quality from the same and I call it out

Phil has done some good things
his dealings with players and media are horrible though

I'm not criticizing you for your opinons about the team. I was just speaking about the Isiah era. However, I haven't followed you in recent years because I haven't paid much attention to realgm plus the Knicks have been beyond atrocious making it difficult to watch. I apologize if you have changed your views on how the team has been run. But I know what I know and you were at one time a big Isiah Thomas fan.

I'm sure you think you know what you know but in actuality what you know is what you think you know

Well you win. I can't top that reply. Since I haven't spoke with you in awhile, I hope all is well.

[bigtimeRC3]

Nets fan here.

We would take Melo off your hands with an unprotected 1st rounder attached for next year. Hell, we will even give you expiring Trevor Booker in return.
Melo gets to stay close to home atleast.

thats a good deal

trading Melo away to the Nets plus our 1st rd pick is a good deal?

oh wait i thought their first rounder. welp

[mpharris36]

Nope

um yes

I'm chilling.
I got popcorn ready for your reaction though.

I think we all don't want to trade future 1sts...am I wrong about that?

Phil or no Phil. I think keeping 1st rounders and respecting them is goal #1. And before that was never treated as such.

[Greenie]

um yes

I'm chilling.
I got popcorn ready for your reaction though.

I think we all don't want to trade future 1sts...am I wrong about that?

Phil or no Phil. I think keeping 1st rounders and respecting them is goal #1. And before that was never treated as such.

I'm ready for some of you to jump.
Trade a damn pick.

Lights, cameras, ACTION!!!

[Oscirus]

More than likely. Any new GM will typically want to show wins as soon as possible.

Walsh didn't

Walsh missed out on LeBron and panicked and gave Amare 2 more years than any other team was willing to do...can we stop acting like Walsh was a good GM?

He also got ransacked in the HOU trade for Jared Jeffries...

He also draft Jordan Hill with a top 10 pick (atrocious pick)

He also sign and traded David Lee for crap.

I don't blame him for the Melo trade because all indications were that Dolan took over. But again that is still a knock on Donnie for not having enough stones to tell of Dolan. It's still his job to do so.

Walsh signed Amare before he even talked to Lebron.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Berman: Knicks balk at Carmelo Anthony power play to force way to Cavs.

An ESPN report stated Tuesday that Anthony’s agents have approached the Knicks about getting waived via a buyout in order to sign as a free agent with the Cavaliers, and got rebuffed.

It is hardly a secret James would love Anthony on the roster. Nevertheless, the mixed messages coming from the Anthony camp is confusing. The same report stated Anthony’s preference is to remain a Knick — which corresponds to what Jackson said. But the allure of James and his former Knicks buddies J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert have become enticing.

A source confirmed the Knicks are aware Anthony prefers getting released rather than agreeing to a trade, even if he would lose a trade-kicker bonus. Anthony understands the Cavaliers don’t have the assets to make a deal for him, and this way he can add depth to the Eastern Conference champions without taking away a major piece such as Kevin Love, who is being dangled for Paul George.

According to a source, Jackson’s stance is he will not give up Anthony without gaining an asset or two and remains determined to find a trade partner. After all, Anthony, 33, is just a few months older than James.

The Knicks have not entirely ruled out the stretch provision with Anthony, which would give them an extra $15.4 million in cap space in spreading his $54.1 million contract over five years.

But the Knicks, according to a source, would consider that maneuver only as “an asset’’ if it means the extra cap savings definitively would net them a star player.

“That’s unlikely,’’ the source said.

Otherwise, the cap space is an abstract asset in their eyes, not to mention Anthony would be on the books for five years in the stretch scenario.