2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[imanshar]

My wish list is short. Go all in for Porter and use Green as a fall back option. If we land neither no big deal just use Hamilton and Booker and that cash as trade bait for another salary dump. Maybe PHX will throw in a 2018 pick for eating some bad contracts like Chandler and/or Knight. That way they can go for a max contract to pair with Bledsoe, Booker, Jackson and Chriss

1. Porter (just a perfect fit at SF both offensively and defensively. Would give us a bright future on the perimeter as he keeps Levert at SG and lets RHJ develop at PF.)
2. JaMychal Green (another perfect fit as that SF/PF spot. This would allow RHJ match up with the better wing defensively as Green he can guard both SF and PF. His shooting ability fits with RHJ offensively as a floor spacer.)

2018 Future lineup
D-Lo
Levert
Porter
RHJ
Allen

or

D-Lo
Levert
RHJ
Green
Allen

Stop excluding Lin from starting lineup. There is no way they bench Jeremy Lin. Yeah, I get it, he is probably not part of this team future but you think Atkinson will bench Lin? He even started Foye last year ahead of all the young players. I bet my life Lin will be the starter of this team until he either is traded or leave in free agency.

Guess you failed to read the 2018 future lineup part. Lin is likely gone after this year so that was more the future for 2018-19.

I think Levert will come off the bench if we bring in a starting SF this offseason so you can relax now.

for 2017 it would be
Lin
D-Lo
Porter (for example)
RHJ
Moz

in 2018 hopefully it's
D-Lo
Levert
Porter
RHJ
Allen

I thought it was 2017/18. My bad.

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What if I told you that the mentorship of Russel & LeVert by Lin & Reddick will work out a lot better than the over-hyped 76ers rookies toiling about?

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[Rockice_24]

Anyone else want to help Bos land Hayward and George by taking on Jae Crowder so they have enough cap space to sign Hayward. It's a crazy deal but they need to dump Smart or Crowder.

Crowder would be a nice piece at SF and he's only 26. It would help create a super team in Bos but it helps us. They wouldn't care since they'd be giving our pick to INDY most likely so they can help us along the way.

[Keith Van Horn]

^^ ehh, **** Boston. I hope they strike out all around and reached their peak this past season.

[Kaiser30]

Anyone else want to help Bos land Hayward and George by taking on Jae Crowder so they have enough cap space to sign Hayward. It's a crazy deal but they need to dump Smart or Crowder.

Crowder would be a nice piece at SF and he's only 26. It would help create a super team in Bos but it helps us. They wouldn't care since they'd be giving our pick to INDY most likely so they can help us along the way.

In this scenario, the Celtics are not willing to give up our pick (reportedly LAL/SAC pick plus Memphis or Clippers first) and Crowder certainly has positive trade value. A lot of teams in the league could really use a player like Crowder on a cheap deal and we are not in a position to give up assets for short-term success.

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[DartboardT]

Warriors lose Iggy, Cavs gain a player, that could be the difference in "Warriors-Cavs IV" LOL

But uh...why wouldn't Iggy want a good shot at a third ring? And why wouldn't Warriors think VERY CAREFULLY about keeping a "piece" who's still a beyond-the-box-score contributor and probably good to go at least one more year?

Oh sure, "it's a business" and Iggy is on the wrong side of the indispensable line. But how dispensable or replaceable IS he to them, really?

[vincecarter4pres]

Warriors lose Iggy, Cavs gain a player, that could be the difference in "Warriors-Cavs IV" LOL

But uh...why wouldn't Iggy want a good shot at a third ring? And why wouldn't Warriors think VERY CAREFULLY about keeping a "piece" who's still a beyond-the-box-score contributor and probably good to go at least one more year?

Oh sure, "it's a business" and Iggy is on the wrong side of the indispensable line. But how dispensable or replaceable IS he to them, really?

He's not irreplaceable to them at all, they are an absolute juggernaut and loaded top to bottom. They probably feel like McCaw can come in and give them 75% of Iggy's production this season alone, at literally 7 to 10% of the cost, before the tax.

Also rings are nice, but Iggy now has 2. You know what's nicer than more rings as a complementary piece? Lots of cash lol.

I personally do not like the idea of Iggy, I think he's too old and will be entirely too expensive.

[ChokeFasncists]

My wish list is short. Go all in for Porter and use Green as a fall back option. If we land neither no big deal just use Hamilton and Booker and that cash as trade bait for another salary dump. Maybe PHX will throw in a 2018 pick for eating some bad contracts like Chandler and/or Knight. That way they can go for a max contract to pair with Bledsoe, Booker, Jackson and Chriss

1. Porter (just a perfect fit at SF both offensively and defensively. Would give us a bright future on the perimeter as he keeps Levert at SG and lets RHJ develop at PF.)
2. JaMychal Green (another perfect fit as that SF/PF spot. This would allow RHJ match up with the better wing defensively as Green he can guard both SF and PF. His shooting ability fits with RHJ offensively as a floor spacer.)

2018 Future lineup
D-Lo
Levert
Porter
RHJ
Allen

or

D-Lo
Levert
RHJ
Green
Allen

Green would be nice, pretty expensive tho

[ChokeFasncists]

We can still pick him up at the minimum if no one offers him a contract.

nah... there is no way... marks bent over backwards to take care of his guys. he wouldnt decline the option and sign him to the minimum to shed 2 million. makes no sense and is screwing the player.

no chance

Marks takes care of his guys if it doesn't interfere with the team's objective of improving.

He's traded Thad and now Lopez, the latter of the two being beloved by many, if not most, Nets fans and who has reciprocated that desire to remain a Net throughout his time here. If it was simply about making people happy, Thad (Kenny's guy) and Brook would still be here.

KJ had a team option and the Nets are doing what's best for the team by keeping their options open and making sure they have as much money available to spend for acquiring players.

Marks isn't doing anything wrong. I don't think we should take his goodwill nature for granted and just assume he'll always bend over backwards for every player, especially if their contract situation can be an impediment to free agent acquisitions.

Yeah, cutting KJ is more about retaining flexibility anyways. If KJ can't get a bigger contract, it's not Marks' fault.

[ChokeFasncists]

Reddict is too expensive and his defense also below standard. We already traded Russell which with no defense , if we trade another sg with no defense ,the team will suck again next season. Net's problem is all about defense last season.

Now Mozgoz"s defense is not good , rebound not good. Lin's defense was great before injury, but after injury he was not great again. And after i saw the highlight of Russell"s defense, i am worrying about our defense next season.

Lin's D wasn't as good as before post-injury, but I think it's mainly cuz those were meaningless games and he didn't want to hurt the hammy again (which would be disastrous) rather than any structural problems.

[Prokorov]

Sure, JLin can come off the bench, but then he'll probably demand a trade mid-year (plus, it kind of puts the lie to FAs expecting decent treatment/"great team culture" if not an UltraStar Player™), so there's that.

*Dloading* as the sixth man?

...it just might work...but I'm not sure where Redick fits, honestly. A good get as a second-tier FA need if the price is right, but he's not a long-term solution at SG and his price tag will probably be pretty high.

I can't fathom Reddick coming here and starting over LeVert, and you're not bringing either Lin or Russell off of the bench. I don't think it's a good fit even though we need shooting.

i disagree. its a great fit. everyone talks about spacing and nothing spaces the floor better then a 3 point shooter who can hit coming off screens with and without the ball. and reddick is as good as that gets, look how much space the clippers had with 2 bigs who dont shoot.

Russell - Reddick - caris

or

lin - reddick - caris

either way all 4 guys are getting 25-29+ minutes a night which is right where the performance team probably wants them.

Lin can demand a trade if he wants if the team asks him to come off the bench. if he does he isnt a team player and i wouldnt want him here in that circumstance anyhow.

as far as lying to free agents thats a huge stretch. they signed him as a starter and gave him that gig last year. that doesnt mean he is a career starter or the nets arent allowed to make moves to make them better if it means a PG. i cant see free agents thinking marks is a liar who doesnt care bout his guys if they ask lin to come off the bench.

[Prokorov]

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Really hope we get reddick if porter isnt in play. i think he would make the biggest impact both on the floor, to help establish the system and to create spacing. i dont care if it sends lin, caris, or dlo to the bench as there are plenty of minutes to go around.

we want to run the motion and offense and hit threes. reddick great fit.

[Prokorov]

for discussions purposes....

Minny is shopping Rubio.... Lin for Rubio? why or why not?

I prefer Lin by far. That's just me though.

all ym reasons for preferring rubio would have to do with excitement and building fans. that was before lin and all these young guys. its no longer necessary. give me lin

[Prokorov]

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What gets lost in the fray and I'm certainly guilty of forgetting myself, is LeVert is still coming off that foot injury and truthfully they're probably going to want to limit him to max of say 28mpg on average. Let alone most of those minutes will probably come at the 3. And then Lin is coming off the bum hammy as well. Say 28mpg for him. Say 30 for Russell.

So out of 96 minutes at the guard spots, say 66 between the 3? That leaves 30. And with missed games and overtime, there's always a lot more than 96 minutes a game, when we're talking individual averages by the end of the season.

I guess it could work, though you kill any and all minutes for Dinwiddie, Goodwin and Skil.

not if caris also spends some time/most of his time at SF.

And I completely get the good example thing, the mentor thing, even the learn from watching me kill it thing, but unless they feel those latter 3 are literally nearly worthless, doesn't this jump into that rushing things while killing development scenario?

This move confuses me after the trade. I'd be OK with it, I mean Reddick is a great shooter, good player and a lot of fun to watch, but confusing none-the-less.

i just dont see minutes being an issue. i mean:

PG: Lin (28), Dinwiddie (12), Dlo (8)
SG: Reddick (28), Dlo (20)
SF: Levert(28), Whitehead (10), Goodwin(10) -- those last 2 guys in small ball 3 gaurd lineups

then you also have the "kenny shuffle" where he gets guys big minutes by shuffling them in and out of the rotation.

Skil to me is still the odd man out, but i always expected him to be gone anyhow

[Prokorov]

I expect Marks to retain all our minimum guys (Acy, Goodwin, Harris, Kilpatrick & Dinwiddie).

It's funny how gross Mozgross' contract is considering that it's even higher than all our player's salaries combined not named Lin, Booker, Anderson, Russell & Hamilton. I wanna puke... yuck!!!

his contract isnt all that bad. he is overpaid by 3 million. 12 million for a solid reserve big isnt awful.

It's really bad dude. There are maybe like 5 worse contracts in the league. Noah, Deng, Mahinmi, Chandler Parsons and Evan Turner are pretty much the only ones I can think of.

crabbe, miles plumlee, matthews, biyombo, mahinmi, bazemore

then you have horford who is obviously a good player but makes 28 million a year for 4 mroe years

[Prokorov]

I can't fathom Reddick coming here and starting over LeVert, and you're not bringing either Lin or Russell off of the bench. I don't think it's a good fit even though we need shooting.

i disagree. its a great fit. everyone talks about spacing and nothing spaces the floor better then a 3 point shooter who can hit coming off screens with and without the ball. and reddick is as good as that gets, look how much space the clippers had with 2 bigs who dont shoot.

Russell - Reddick - caris

or

lin - reddick - caris

either way all 4 guys are getting 25-29+ minutes a night which is right where the performance team probably wants them.

I'm not in favor of benching our top young guys, or jeremy lin. don't care who we sign (unless its some superstar stud, which is not happening)

Russell, LeVert, Hollis-Jefferson, Lin should play and play plenty.

they will play just as much off the bench as they would starting. 28-30 minutes

[Prokorov]

I personally dont get the love for Reddick.

As a 8-12 mil a year sharpshooter who wont embarass himself on defense, HELLZ YEA awesome deal! Perfect championship contender role player.

Now paying him 20+ mil a year for 3-4 years on a rebuilding team when hes like 32..... yea no.... thats a TERRIBLE allocation of salary cap funds for a player that isnt in the long term plan for the team either. Whine about Lin being a non foundational piece of the future and yet you'd give Reddick 20+ mil a year for 3-4 years? I mean cmon now, without CP3/Blake taking up all the attention JJ wouldnt get as many clean looks, now he'll be on a team without as many dynamic threats (one of Lin or DLo will be sitting when Reddick is in).

Doc used Reddick weirdly during his time in LA. I watched a ton of Clipper games as well since i can be a filthy multi team casual fan in LA, but usually in the 1st quarter JJ is the main option as both Blake and DJ set all sortsof crazy ass illegal screens to free up JJ for curl pull up 3s. Doesnt matter if he's hot or not, but after that they essentially ignore JJ, so its funny when u see JJs point scoring its usually done in the 1st quarter.

Thing is in BRK there's no Blake to suck in all the defensive attention. DJ is a lob threat but Blake is the dynamic high/low post attacker that defenses have to key in at all times. JJ had literal free run with the defenses focusing so much of their energy on the superstars. He's simply not gonna be able to replicate his success in BRK, i mean he'll do alright, but for 20+ mil a year i think the team wants more than alright.

Spend the money on a young up and coming big or contract absorptions + picks. Why is this team getting a luxury item player when theyre still in the process of building the team up.

you have it backwards... it isnt blake and DJ sucking attention... its reddick drawing attention. thats why you bring him in... because he is one of the 5 best floor spacers in the league. nothing spaces the floor better then elite shooters who shoot a high percentage on off ball screen situations. draws 2 guys off ball. you want space for RHJ and Allen and our PGs? bring in reddick. helps the offense flow and helps those young guys out a ton.

this isnt a luxury item. this is someone who is going to help the progression of our offense. help the evolution o it. helps the development of our young guys. this would be a fantastic move

[Prokorov]

We can still pick him up at the minimum if no one offers him a contract.

nah... there is no way... marks bent over backwards to take care of his guys. he wouldnt decline the option and sign him to the minimum to shed 2 million. makes no sense and is screwing the player.

no chance

Marks takes care of his guys if it doesn't interfere with the team's objective of improving.

He's traded Thad and now Lopez, the latter of the two being beloved by many, if not most, Nets fans and who has reciprocated that desire to remain a Net throughout his time here. If it was simply about making people happy, Thad (Kenny's guy) and Brook would still be here.

KJ had a team option and the Nets are doing what's best for the team by keeping their options open and making sure they have as much money available to spend for acquiring players.

Marks isn't doing anything wrong. I don't think we should take his goodwill nature for granted and just assume he'll always bend over backwards for every player, especially if their contract situation can be an impediment to free agent acquisitions.

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sorry but if marks declines KJ mcdaniels just so he can sign KJ to a cheaper deal... yeah thats a bad look and goes against everything marks has done since he took over the team