2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[TinmanZBoy]

you want two-way players as many as possible... Ingles does everything well... JJ is good for your spacing, but if he can't defend in a good level, how can you put him in a lineup already is lack of good defensive players...

Lin, Levert, and RHJ are all plus defenders. Mozgov is passable and allen has potential. i can live with reddick in between those guys when he creates such enormous elite spacing. and with RHJ/Allen/Mozgov/Booker i want that elite spacing

I personally want Russell starting. Reddick, if he really is going to come here, isn't someone i'd turn away though.

I'll be fine with whatever happens. I trust this front office. first time i have ever said that about a Nets regime to be honest.

Lin/JJ is only passable on defense, Russell/JJ will be a train wreck... LeVert is not a plus defender at this point, too many lapses...
if you long term plan is to develop Russell at 1, LeVert at 2, which I think it should be, then you don't sign JJ or two year contact at most

[13th Man]

i like snell at 12M or so other wise hard pass

i dont like shabazz if he paid me 12M. beyond hard pass

Shabazz isn't the greatest but he seems to have developed an understanding of what his role in the NBA is. I think as a stopgap you could do worse, as long as you don't break the bank for him he could be a filler starter and then transition to useful bench player once an appropriate starting level player is acquired.

We might as keep Sean Kilpatrick if that's the case. Not interested in Shabazz.

I don't like the idea of getting rid of Skil for the sake of change, he was a spark-plug in many games last year. I'd like to see the PF position upgraded, try to deal away Booker, Hamilton, Nicholson, not sure if that's possible.

[MrDollarBills]

Lin, Levert, and RHJ are all plus defenders. Mozgov is passable and allen has potential. i can live with reddick in between those guys when he creates such enormous elite spacing. and with RHJ/Allen/Mozgov/Booker i want that elite spacing

I personally want Russell starting. Reddick, if he really is going to come here, isn't someone i'd turn away though.

I'll be fine with whatever happens. I trust this front office. first time i have ever said that about a Nets regime to be honest.

Lin/JJ is only passable on defense, Russell/JJ will be a train wreck... LeVert is not a plus defender at this point, too many lapses...
if you long term plan is to develop Russell at 1, LeVert at 2, which I think it should be, then you don't sign JJ or two year contact at most

LeVert was literally one of the best defenders on the team, what were you watching?

Lin, LeVert, RHJ were going hard defensively once they started together. LeVert is a high IQ defender imo. He opts to force guys into bad shots and is excellent in the passing lanes. Very active hands with long arms. His feet constantly move.

I did not advocate benching Lin with my comment, btw. I want Lin/Russell starting. period.

[MrDollarBills]

Shabazz isn't the greatest but he seems to have developed an understanding of what his role in the NBA is. I think as a stopgap you could do worse, as long as you don't break the bank for him he could be a filler starter and then transition to useful bench player once an appropriate starting level player is acquired.

We might as keep Sean Kilpatrick if that's the case. Not interested in Shabazz.

I don't like the idea of getting rid of Skil for the sake of change, he was a spark-plug in many games last year. I'd like to see the PF position upgraded, try to deal away Booker, Hamilton, Nicholson, not sure if that's possible.

I don't mind keeping Skil. The problem is, there's literally a log jam right now.

[TinmanZBoy]

I personally want Russell starting. Reddick, if he really is going to come here, isn't someone i'd turn away though.

I'll be fine with whatever happens. I trust this front office. first time i have ever said that about a Nets regime to be honest.

Lin/JJ is only passable on defense, Russell/JJ will be a train wreck... LeVert is not a plus defender at this point, too many lapses...
if you long term plan is to develop Russell at 1, LeVert at 2, which I think it should be, then you don't sign JJ or two year contact at most

LeVert was literally one of the best defenders on the team, what were you watching?

Lin, LeVert, RHJ were going hard defensively once they started together. LeVert is a high IQ defender imo. He opts to force guys into bad shots and is excellent in the passing lanes. Very active hands with long arms. His feet constantly move.

I did not advocate benching Lin with my comment, btw. I want Lin/Russell starting. period.

we watched the same game, but we definitely have different eyes and understanding of the game... the mistakes and lapses LeVert made on defense were blatant and very rookish... he has the potential to be a good defender, but he is not there yet..

[DeRoma]

We might as keep Sean Kilpatrick if that's the case. Not interested in Shabazz.

I don't like the idea of getting rid of Skil for the sake of change, he was a spark-plug in many games last year. I'd like to see the PF position upgraded, try to deal away Booker, Hamilton, Nicholson, not sure if that's possible.

I don't mind keeping Skil. The problem is, there's literally a log jam right now.

Same here. I never really understood why people did not want him here. I think the reason why is that everyone have such a high expectations towards him. But, people forget he is just an undrafted player who produces. We all know what he can't do. However, what he can do, he does it well. He is no where near being a black hole, he does not disrupt the offensive flow, he is a good spot up shooter, and when he is hot he can't miss. Everyone needs this type of player when the team cannot get a bucket in. IMO he was given too big of a role this season that just happened. If he is given a lesser role (i.e. 8th-10th man off the bench), he would produce in much higher rate.

[MrDollarBills]

Lin/JJ is only passable on defense, Russell/JJ will be a train wreck... LeVert is not a plus defender at this point, too many lapses...
if you long term plan is to develop Russell at 1, LeVert at 2, which I think it should be, then you don't sign JJ or two year contact at most

LeVert was literally one of the best defenders on the team, what were you watching?

Lin, LeVert, RHJ were going hard defensively once they started together. LeVert is a high IQ defender imo. He opts to force guys into bad shots and is excellent in the passing lanes. Very active hands with long arms. His feet constantly move.

I did not advocate benching Lin with my comment, btw. I want Lin/Russell starting. period.

we watched the same game, but we definitely have different eyes and understanding of the game... the mistakes and lapses LeVert made on defense were blatant and very rookish... he has the potential to be a good defender, but he is not there yet..

I'm not saying he didn't make errors. we were the worst team in basketball last year, everyone f'd up along the way. I'm saying that he was overall one of the better defenders on the team.

You seem to have an issue with young players making mistakes. I don't. I don't expect finished products right away. what I expect, no matter what though, is effort. LeVert put that forth.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't like the idea of getting rid of Skil for the sake of change, he was a spark-plug in many games last year. I'd like to see the PF position upgraded, try to deal away Booker, Hamilton, Nicholson, not sure if that's possible.

I don't mind keeping Skil. The problem is, there's literally a log jam right now.

Same here. I never really understood why people did not want him here. I think the reason why is that everyone have such a high expectations towards him. But, people forget he is just an undrafted player who produces. We all know what he can't do. However, what he can do, he does it well. He is no where near being a black hole, he does not disrupt the offensive flow, he is a good spot up shooter, and when he is hot he can't miss. Everyone needs this type of player when the team cannot get a bucket in. IMO he was given too big of a role this season that just happened. If he is given a lesser role (i.e. 8th-10th man off the bench), he would produce in much higher rate.

I like Skil, I think he's a good dude, and the fact that he's related to The Captain (Derek Jeter) is even cooler. I just want his role to be simplified. The guy has limitations. He should be used as strictly an off the bench scoring puncher. there were many games where we were in a rut and this guy would rattle off multiple scores back to back, without hesitation. you can't teach that. but it has to be used wisely.

[DeRoma]

Lin/JJ is only passable on defense, Russell/JJ will be a train wreck... LeVert is not a plus defender at this point, too many lapses...
if you long term plan is to develop Russell at 1, LeVert at 2, which I think it should be, then you don't sign JJ or two year contact at most

LeVert was literally one of the best defenders on the team, what were you watching?

Lin, LeVert, RHJ were going hard defensively once they started together. LeVert is a high IQ defender imo. He opts to force guys into bad shots and is excellent in the passing lanes. Very active hands with long arms. His feet constantly move.

I did not advocate benching Lin with my comment, btw. I want Lin/Russell starting. period.

we watched the same game, but we definitely have different eyes and understanding of the game... the mistakes and lapses LeVert made on defense were blatant and very rookish... he has the potential to be a good defender, but he is not there yet..

I don't agree LeVert was never really a negative in defense IMO. He definitely made some rookie mistakes but he made up for it for making plays as well. I thought he'd go even or above average this season that just happened. Just having a year on his belt will give him assurance to be a lot more consistent IMO.

[Prokorov]

Assuming Porter isn't an option, I'd be okay taking a stab at Shabazz Muhammad or Tony Snell.

Neither is a true game changer, but they've both got chances to be serviceable starters and there's some untapped upside that could cause them to outperform their contract (and become bigger trade assets down the road).

i like snell at 12M or so other wise hard pass

i dont like shabazz if he paid me 12M. beyond hard pass

Shabazz isn't the greatest but he seems to have developed an understanding of what his role in the NBA is. I think as a stopgap you could do worse, as long as you don't break the bank for him he could be a filler starter and then transition to useful bench player once an appropriate starting level player is acquired.

ugly offensive game, bad attitude and what exactly do we need a stopgap for? this is a developing team

[Prokorov]

Lin, Levert, and RHJ are all plus defenders. Mozgov is passable and allen has potential. i can live with reddick in between those guys when he creates such enormous elite spacing. and with RHJ/Allen/Mozgov/Booker i want that elite spacing

I personally want Russell starting. Reddick, if he really is going to come here, isn't someone i'd turn away though.

I'll be fine with whatever happens. I trust this front office. first time i have ever said that about a Nets regime to be honest.

Lin/JJ is only passable on defense, Russell/JJ will be a train wreck... LeVert is not a plus defender at this point, too many lapses...
if you long term plan is to develop Russell at 1, LeVert at 2, which I think it should be, then you don't sign JJ or two year contact at most

in 4 years JJ will be out of the picture. so it doesnt really matter. once those guys develop and the rebuilding comes to a point where we try to win games

[Prokorov]

Lin/JJ is only passable on defense, Russell/JJ will be a train wreck... LeVert is not a plus defender at this point, too many lapses...
if you long term plan is to develop Russell at 1, LeVert at 2, which I think it should be, then you don't sign JJ or two year contact at most

LeVert was literally one of the best defenders on the team, what were you watching?

Lin, LeVert, RHJ were going hard defensively once they started together. LeVert is a high IQ defender imo. He opts to force guys into bad shots and is excellent in the passing lanes. Very active hands with long arms. His feet constantly move.

I did not advocate benching Lin with my comment, btw. I want Lin/Russell starting. period.

we watched the same game, but we definitely have different eyes and understanding of the game... the mistakes and lapses LeVert made on defense were blatant and very rookish... he has the potential to be a good defender, but he is not there yet..

statisitically only RHJ, goodwin, and lin were better and lin and goodwin didnt play much

[13th Man]

I personally want Russell starting. Reddick, if he really is going to come here, isn't someone i'd turn away though.

I'll be fine with whatever happens. I trust this front office. first time i have ever said that about a Nets regime to be honest.

Lin/JJ is only passable on defense, Russell/JJ will be a train wreck... LeVert is not a plus defender at this point, too many lapses...
if you long term plan is to develop Russell at 1, LeVert at 2, which I think it should be, then you don't sign JJ or two year contact at most

in 4 years JJ will be out of the picture. so it doesnt really matter. once those guys develop and the rebuilding comes to a point where we try to win games

You guys know that Redick is 33 right? In 4 years he'll be 37. Not a good investment at 17-20M a year imo.

[Prokorov]

Lin/JJ is only passable on defense, Russell/JJ will be a train wreck... LeVert is not a plus defender at this point, too many lapses...
if you long term plan is to develop Russell at 1, LeVert at 2, which I think it should be, then you don't sign JJ or two year contact at most

in 4 years JJ will be out of the picture. so it doesnt really matter. once those guys develop and the rebuilding comes to a point where we try to win games

You guys know that Redick is 33 right? In 4 years he'll be 37. Not a good investment at 17-20M a year imo.

its a great investment. thats 4 years of helping develop these young guys and helping evolve an offense reliant on three point shooting. creating elite space for our young big duo (RHJ/Allen) to operate with and get easy buckets.

We saw last year how it was difficult to take this offense to the heights needed without great shooting/spacing. reddick would change all of that

[Karate Diop]

i like snell at 12M or so other wise hard pass

i dont like shabazz if he paid me 12M. beyond hard pass

Shabazz isn't the greatest but he seems to have developed an understanding of what his role in the NBA is. I think as a stopgap you could do worse, as long as you don't break the bank for him he could be a filler starter and then transition to useful bench player once an appropriate starting level player is acquired.

ugly offensive game, bad attitude and what exactly do we need a stopgap for? this is a developing team

Bad attitude is 100% a false narrative. The sad truth is that Shabazz would have been one of the teams most efficient wing players last year... He'd be a talent upgrade which presumably wouldn't require you to break the bank... The concerns would primarily center around whether he's a fit for the motion offense since he hasn't shown much in the way of passing and isn't a good three point shooter.

He's a plan C/D for me but let's not act like he's not an upgrade over what the team has.

[Prokorov]

Shabazz isn't the greatest but he seems to have developed an understanding of what his role in the NBA is. I think as a stopgap you could do worse, as long as you don't break the bank for him he could be a filler starter and then transition to useful bench player once an appropriate starting level player is acquired.

ugly offensive game, bad attitude and what exactly do we need a stopgap for? this is a developing team

Bad attitude is 100% a false narrative. The sad truth is that Shabazz would have been one of the teams most efficient wing players last year... He'd be a talent upgrade which presumably wouldn't require you to break the bank... The concerns would primarily center around whether he's a fit for the motion offense since he hasn't shown much in the way of passing and isn't a good three point shooter.

He's a plan C/D for me but let's not act like he's not an upgrade over what the team has.

we have little talent... few guys woudlnt be an upgrade. im concerned about fit and upside. i think he fails in both areas. i see a player who constantly takes plays off, plays with a lack of effort, low iq, and terrible body language. i think he has also peaked.

along with simmons he is one of the guys i really dont want

[DarkXaero]

Supposedly the Redick interest is mutual, which is good to see because it means that a coveted free agent is considering us, despite our record. I'm sure it's because of the cap space that we have, but I think it also has to do with how our organization is being perceived by players around the league now.

[MGrand15]

Redick loves Brooklyn and has an apartment in the area or something like that. I'm sure he'll give us a look especially if we're offering big money for 3-4 years. I'd love seeing JJ come off the bench and play 30 minutes a game but it's hard to see him doing that. And Russell's confidence seems too fragile to sell him on a bench role. Undecided on the move even if JJ would help us tremendously.

Any good stretch 4s available in FA or on the trading block? Getting someone like Paul Millsap on a short but max level deal is probably option 1. With the ridiculous contracts being given out, I doubn't he'd take less than 4 years. Any cheaper options? Or Mozgov type guys that teams might be willing to trade with an asset included? Ryan Anderson was my first guess but his contract is way too crazy. Houston doesn't have the sweeteners for that.

[TinmanZBoy]

LeVert was literally one of the best defenders on the team, what were you watching?

Lin, LeVert, RHJ were going hard defensively once they started together. LeVert is a high IQ defender imo. He opts to force guys into bad shots and is excellent in the passing lanes. Very active hands with long arms. His feet constantly move.

I did not advocate benching Lin with my comment, btw. I want Lin/Russell starting. period.

we watched the same game, but we definitely have different eyes and understanding of the game... the mistakes and lapses LeVert made on defense were blatant and very rookish... he has the potential to be a good defender, but he is not there yet..

I'm not saying he didn't make errors. we were the worst team in basketball last year, everyone f'd up along the way. I'm saying that he was overall one of the better defenders on the team.

You seem to have an issue with young players making mistakes. I don't. I don't expect finished products right away. what I expect, no matter what though, is effort. LeVert put that forth.

I don't have issues with young players, instead I have high hopes for LeVert, probably even more so than D'angelo, because he reminds me a little bit T-Mac... LeVert is one of the better defenders in the team does not mean he is a good defender or a plus defender at this point, it just shows how weak the nets' defense is... the whole point is if you put JJ in a lineup that only has 2 plus defenders (Rondae and maybe Lin (barely)) it is not going to be pretty... Instead Joe Ingles is a good and smart defender, can shoot threes at a high percentage, can run PnR, a good playmaker, can guard 2-4, he will be much more impactful than JJ for the Nets...

[MrDollarBills]

in 4 years JJ will be out of the picture. so it doesnt really matter. once those guys develop and the rebuilding comes to a point where we try to win games

You guys know that Redick is 33 right? In 4 years he'll be 37. Not a good investment at 17-20M a year imo.

its a great investment. thats 4 years of helping develop these young guys and helping evolve an offense reliant on three point shooting. creating elite space for our young big duo (RHJ/Allen) to operate with and get easy buckets.

We saw last year how it was difficult to take this offense to the heights needed without great shooting/spacing. reddick would change all of that

you think JJ can still be a contributor at age 37 making 20 mil for that season?