Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII

[gambitx777]

Honestly I think yall miss the point with mello. Stop worrying about how much he has declined and worry about how much better the bench would be with him. A L O T .

But I was thinking if all it would take is Mahinmi and smith and a second I would trade for Lamarcus Aldridge in a heartbeat and not think twice about it.
but a three team trade might be interesting.
San gets mahinmi and williams
wiz get Ariza, beverly and green
hou aldridge and jason.

[dangermouse]

Something around Mahinmi for Ariza & Beverly would be fantastic. I think both teams may be pretty happy with the deal.

When the PG sh*t dies down or he goes to Boston etc.... Ernie should be looking to make that move or one similar.

Even if we could do Mahinmi for Aldridge I'd do it as a last ditch fallback trade.

[jangles86]

Wall
Beal
George
Melo
Gortat


How do we make this happen?

[verbal8]

Something around Mahinmi for Ariza & Beverly would be fantastic. I think both teams may be pretty happy with the deal.

Does Mahinmi have much trade value? I think Beverly probably is being shopped as an incentive to move Ryan Anderson's deal. I could see Gortat being moved for that deal, and it solves one problem back-court depth and creates another one front court depth.

When the PG sh*t dies down or he goes to Boston etc.... Ernie should be looking to make that move or one similar.

Even if we could do Mahinmi for Aldridge I'd do it as a last ditch fallback trade.

I don't think the Spurs have gotten where they are by doing deals like that. I know wanting to leave San Antonio has hurt Aldridge's trade value, but he would fetch far more than Mahinmi. I think they would be looking for Gortat + incentive.

[verbal8]

Wall
Beal
George
Melo
Gortat


How do we make this happen?

The George part is "easy" but risky. S&T of Porter to Indiana. However the risk is on George bolting via FA vs. having a very good player at the beginning of his prime.

Melo seems very unlikely. He has a no trade clause, so he would have to want to go to the Wizards in the trade scenario. Adding George might help, but I don't see the Wizards standing out as a destination. Then there also is the issue on the Wizards side of if it is worth giving up trade assets for Melo.

There is a scenario that solves the trade asset issue. If for some reason the Knicks decide to buy-out Anthony and he wants to sign a cheap one year deal to showcase for another big deal. However in that scenario I think he looks for either a situation where he is the main star(Lakers?) or he is added to a serious contender(Clippers, Spurs, Cavs, etc).

[Ruzious]

Something around Mahinmi for Ariza & Beverly would be fantastic. I think both teams may be pretty happy with the deal.

Does Mahinmi have much trade value? I think Beverly probably is being shopped as an incentive to move Ryan Anderson's deal. I could see Gortat being moved for that deal, and it solves one problem back-court depth and creates another one front court depth.

When the PG sh*t dies down or he goes to Boston etc.... Ernie should be looking to make that move or one similar.

Even if we could do Mahinmi for Aldridge I'd do it as a last ditch fallback trade.

I don't think the Spurs have gotten where they are by doing deals like that. I know wanting to leave San Antonio has hurt Aldridge's trade value, but he would fetch far more than Mahinmi. I think they would be looking for Gortat + incentive.

Yeah, I don't think SA would have any interest in Mahinmi. They already have their version of him at a much lower price - Dedmon.

[mhd]

Mahinmi has garbage trade value, but then again, Plumlee has been miracuously traded twice in the last 4 months with a similar horrendous contract (years are the same, and Plumlee makes about 3 million less per year). Mahinmi is at least playable if he's healthy. I didn't want him then, and don't want him now.

[payitforward]

Honestly I think yall miss the point with mello. Stop worrying about how much he has declined and worry about how much better the bench would be with him. A L O T .

But I was thinking if all it would take is Mahinmi and smith and a second I would trade for Lamarcus Aldridge in a heartbeat and not think twice about it.
but a three team trade might be interesting.
San gets mahinmi and williams
wiz get Ariza, beverly and green
hou aldridge and jason.

Actually, I'd say it's you who are kind of missing the point. Carmelo is not a good player any more. "Not a good player" means he doesn't contribute much. Doesn't improve things much.

Is he better than Trey Burke or Andrew Nicholson? Sure! -- but so are the great majority of NBA players. Melo is not better than that great majority.

Aldridge... same deal, Gambit. Like Melo, he was never as good as he was made out to be. &, like Melo, he's not as good as he used to be either.

The idea of bringing on high-priced veterans in their final seasons is dysfunctional, b/c they don't build your team going forward. You want guys who are getting better or who are in their several year peak.

You only want those other guys if they are bargain salaries for some reason, or if you are really in a position where one guy can give you what you need to win a title. Melo & LMA don't fit either criterion.

Your trade: love to get Beverly and/or Green. But, if we trade 2 Centers & take back 2 wings & a PG, who plays up front? Gortat &... who? Plus, there's too much of a logjam at the 3, don't you think? We want to give Oubre 2000 minutes, no?

[payitforward]

Yeah, I don't think SA would have any interest in Mahinmi. They already have their version of him at a much lower price - Dedmon.

Agree about Mahinmi -- but Dedmon has declined or surely will decline his option -- he'll get more than its $3m in the FA market.

[payitforward]

...I wouldn't be surprised if SA was interested in Gortat, btw. Getting old, yeah -- but he's not as old as Pau Gasol; if Dedmon is gone & they dump Aldridge, he might make sense for them short-term.

[queridiculo]

Mahinmi has garbage trade value, but then again, Plumlee has been miracuously traded twice in the last 4 months with a similar horrendous contract (years are the same, and Plumlee makes about 3 million less per year). Mahinmi is at least playable if he's healthy. I didn't want him then, and don't want him now.

Plumlee is a toxic asset much the same way that Mahinmi is, but in both of the instances you cite Plumlee was moved for an equally toxic asset or was part of a package of meh.

To get rid of that deal the Wizards will either have to surrender a cache of picks or pick up an undesirable deal of equal value, I think that's pretty much the only way for Washington to correct yet another of Ernies blunders.

I'd probably pick up the phone and give Magic a ring to see if he's interested in swapping Deng for Mahinmi, seems like Deng could give us some productive minutes at both forward slots while Smith could pick up the slack behind Gortat.

It's really incredible how Grunfeld keeps getting away with wasting this teams resources. Whether it's the draft or salary cap space, Ernie manages to sabotage this franchise with nearly every move he makes.

[gambitx777]

Honestly I think yall miss the point with mello. Stop worrying about how much he has declined and worry about how much better the bench would be with him. A L O T .

But I was thinking if all it would take is Mahinmi and smith and a second I would trade for Lamarcus Aldridge in a heartbeat and not think twice about it.
but a three team trade might be interesting.
San gets mahinmi and williams
wiz get Ariza, beverly and green
hou aldridge and jason.

Actually, I'd say it's you who are kind of missing the point. Carmelo is not a good player any more. "Not a good player" means he doesn't contribute much. Doesn't improve things much.

Is he better than Trey Burke or Andrew Nicholson? Sure! -- but so are the great majority of NBA players. Melo is not better than that great majority.

Aldridge... same deal, Gambit. Like Melo, he was never as good as he was made out to be. &, like Melo, he's not as good as he used to be either.

The idea of bringing on high-priced veterans in their final seasons is dysfunctional, b/c they don't build your team going forward. You want guys who are getting better or who are in their several year peak.

You only want those other guys if they are bargain salaries for some reason, or if you are really in a position where one guy can give you what you need to win a title. Melo & LMA don't fit either criterion.

Your trade: love to get Beverly and/or Green. But, if we trade 2 Centers & take back 2 wings & a PG, who plays up front? Gortat &... who? Plus, there's too much of a logjam at the 3, don't you think? We want to give Oubre 2000 minutes, no?

I guess the way im looking at it is for melo or aldridge im not saying trade otto for them, or kelley. im saying, If your moving mahinmi for them, and keeping your core guys, they make your team better. If you bring in melo, or aldridge, and you keep wall, beal porter, morris gortat, and kelley. Then you ended up making a good move, plus their contracts are not strapping us long term, 2 years thats it, You get out of mahinmi a year early and get an upgrade by virtue of you you kept and got ride of vs who you added. Any trade where you get out of mahinmi and make any kind of positive addition ( I dissagree with how you rate NBA players as good or bad but thats neither here nor there.) Melo can still score and off the bench with a different role I think he can regain some positive impact. Aldridge is still a useful player, are they worth a bunch of young guys and firsts NO! But if you're giving up mahinmi and no much else, yeah I think its worth that all day.

That Houston trade. I was just trying to achieve value out of moving mahinmi. Yes you have a bit of a log jam, but other moves will and need to be made. we are going to sign another sg at some point any way, and if you bring ariza in you obviously would pull bogz QA to save some cap space. also I am assuming other trade are going to be made. You could flip ariza for someone, a gortat trade might be in the works obviously other things need done. But, I think over all the mess that EG got us in this is a really decent trade that starts to help us work our way out of that.

[gambitx777]

Yeah, I don't think SA would have any interest in Mahinmi. They already have their version of him at a much lower price - Dedmon.

Agree about Mahinmi -- but Dedmon has declined or surely will decline his option -- he'll get more than its $3m in the FA market.

IDK piff, SA values high quality locker room guys and by all accounts mahinmi is a really solid dude. They might take him on that deal, just to get the cancer out of the locker room and prove a point that you don't come in to SA and rock the boat.

[nate33]

Honestly I think yall miss the point with mello. Stop worrying about how much he has declined and worry about how much better the bench would be with him. A L O T .

Of course. Melo would be a big upgrade over the scrubs on our bench. But you can't look at the acquisition in that light. Melo has a high perceived trade value which vastly outweighs his actual on-the-court ability. If we were to trade for Melo, we wouldn't just be swapping out some of our crappy bench players. We would be sacrificing future first round picks plus guys like Oubre or maybe Porter. In that context, trading for Melo would be a catastrophically bad idea.

But I was thinking if all it would take is Mahinmi and smith and a second I would trade for Lamarcus Aldridge in a heartbeat and not think twice about it.
but a three team trade might be interesting.
San gets mahinmi and williams
wiz get Ariza, beverly and green
hou aldridge and jason.

Sure. That's a no-brainer for us. But it's fantasy. We give up nothing and come away with the three best players in the deal.

[nate33]

Something around Mahinmi for Ariza & Beverly would be fantastic. I think both teams may be pretty happy with the deal.

When the PG sh*t dies down or he goes to Boston etc.... Ernie should be looking to make that move or one similar.

Even if we could do Mahinmi for Aldridge I'd do it as a last ditch fallback trade.

Why would Houston do that? I know there have been rumors that they might move Beverly and Ariza, but I'm assuming that's to generate cap room to go after Chris Paul or Gordon Hayward. They would be crazy to give up two starters for a backup center on a bad contract.

[payitforward]

I guess the way im looking at it is for melo or aldridge im not saying trade otto for them, or kelley. im saying, If your moving mahinmi for them, and keeping your core guys, they make your team better...

That's the problem, gambit. They don't.

At least Aldridge saves you a year of salary going forward. Well, Melo does too -- but you pay the same amount over a shorter term. & he really does put you in the tax territory.

But Mahinmi, if healthy, is a more productive player than either of those guys at this point in their careers.

[dckingsfan]

So, in conclusion - the 2016 FA signings of Mahinmi/Nicholson/Burke/Thorton makes Ernie (checkers) Grunfeld is one of the worst NBA GMs.

If you don't sign them... You would have had a first, cap room for Porter and cap room for an FA.

The best upgrade for the Wizards is to finally trade EG.

That is all.

[gambitx777]

Of course. Melo would be a big upgrade over the scrubs on our bench. But you can't look at the acquisition in that light. Melo has a high perceived trade value which vastly outweighs his actual on-the-court ability. If we were to trade for Melo, we wouldn't just be swapping out some of our crappy bench players. We would be sacrificing future first round picks plus guys like Oubre or maybe Porter. In that context, trading for Melo would be a catastrophically bad idea.

Sure. That's a no-brainer for us. But it's fantasy. We give up nothing and come away with the three best players in the deal.

But im not saying You agree to trade any of those guys for them, I don't care what value they think they have. They are aging vets on big money deals, who have drasticly lowered their own trade value. Look at what jimmy buttler went for, a green as grass PG and another guard who can't do anything but dunk and get hurt, and a pick swap? Melo and aldridge need moved, they won't go for much and if you make the right value trade then yeah I think they can help your team. I think melo would drastically improve the bench, and aldridge is a slight upgrade over gortat or morris, and you move the other to the bench which also improves the bench. You go and make a fair offer, and if they decline you walk away. thats all im saying

Why would Houston do that? I know there have been rumors that they might move Beverly and Ariza, but I'm assuming that's to generate cap room to go after Chris Paul or Gordon Hayward. They would be crazy to give up two starters for a backup center on a bad contract.

Well if they strike out on Chris paul and gordon hayward? Aldridge actually does help that team. He fits So its not that crazy, no picks need to be swapped its a simple this helps everyone player swap. They get a big name big talent they always look to add, the spurs get a quality locker room guy for a cancer removal and we beef up our busted bench with quality players on quality deals.

[NatP4]

So, in conclusion - the 2016 FA signings of Mahinmi/Nicholson/Burke/Thorton makes Ernie (checkers) Grunfeld is one of the worst NBA GMs.

If you don't sign them... You would have had a first, cap room for Porter and cap room for an FA.

The best upgrade for the Wizards is to finally trade EG.

That is all.

He didn't sign Burke, Marcus Thornton took the vet min, Andrew Nicholson is not on this team, Burke is an UFA. If he didn't sign Mahinmi, we would be looking for a backup center still.

Put all of this together and we would still have a pretty similar cap number. Most people have finally stopped posting about last offseason and started looking at moves to make this offseason.

[pcbothwel]

Mahinmi has garbage trade value, but then again, Plumlee has been miracuously traded twice in the last 4 months with a similar horrendous contract (years are the same, and Plumlee makes about 3 million less per year). Mahinmi is at least playable if he's healthy. I didn't want him then, and don't want him now.

Plumlee is a toxic asset much the same way that Mahinmi is, but in both of the instances you cite Plumlee was moved for an equally toxic asset or was part of a package of meh.

To get rid of that deal the Wizards will either have to surrender a cache of picks or pick up an undesirable deal of equal value, I think that's pretty much the only way for Washington to correct yet another of Ernies blunders.

I'd probably pick up the phone and give Magic a ring to see if he's interested in swapping Deng for Mahinmi, seems like Deng could give us some productive minutes at both forward slots while Smith could pick up the slack behind Gortat.

It's really incredible how Grunfeld keeps getting away with wasting this teams resources. Whether it's the draft or salary cap space, Ernie manages to sabotage this franchise with nearly every move he makes.

Im sorry, but I have no interest in giving up the upside of Mahinmi for a better 'fit' in Deng.

If Mahinmi returns to his form from 15/16, you have the 2nd best defensive Center in basketball. Is he overpaid? Obviously. But he has a skill set that very few players have. His combination of Length, feet, and IQ set him apart defensively from most in the league.

There is a reason why Freaks like Drummond and Whiteside are actually net negatives on Defense even though they look imposing and get blocks. They have low IQ and they are supposed to be the QB's of the defense.