Markelle Fultz Discussion

[76ciology]

Lonzo has a tough time against challenged shots. Low on drives, low on mid range and takes those 35 jumpers. Either he's smart or its his inability to be a volume scorer.

[Ericb5]

‪Unpopular. But I think a good comparison for Fultz is Deron Williams.Remember how Deron was elite on the PnR back then? ‬Good size at PG, scorer on 3 levels, PnR game but questionable D/motor.

Deron Williams is a point guard though, and Fultz isn't. You have to compare him to people like Harden, Irving, Beal, Roy, Russell, etc...

Williams is as pure a point guard as you will find.


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[Chris76]

‪Unpopular. But I think a good comparison for Fultz is Deron Williams.Remember how Deron was elite on the PnR back then? ‬Good size at PG, scorer on 3 levels, PnR game but questionable D/motor.

Deron Williams is a point guard though, and Fultz isn't. You have to compare him to people like Harden, Irving, Beal, Roy, Russell, etc...

Williams is as pure a point guard as you will find.


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Good comparisons. Imagine Harden playing with Embiid and Simmons. That could be a playoff team. Fultz has soo much potential to take the Sixers to the next level. It should be exciting watching them improve.

[AdotSmoove]

I could see Simmons/Bayless/RoCo/Saric/Embiid being our intended starting line up, but i just can't imagine that we have our first home game wihtout Fultz in the starting line up, the place is going to be dying to see embiid / simmons /fultz on the court together.

I think Saric is going to slide to the bench and while BS will play PG on offense, he is going to be the PF on defense. He will still chase around the perimeter a bit because of the nature of BB defensive scheme of switching everything, so yeah he will start out guarding whoever guards him but it won't last long.

On offense it allows us to run a make shift small ball lineup w/ a giant PG, Fultz at SG, TLC or FA, Covington, and Embiid who is the fastest giant I've ever seen.

I love Saric but putting him in the starting lineup creates more questions than answers. Plus the 2nd unit needs playmakers


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[76ciology]

‪Unpopular. But I think a good comparison for Fultz is Deron Williams.Remember how Deron was elite on the PnR back then? ‬Good size at PG, scorer on 3 levels, PnR game but questionable D/motor.

Deron Williams is a point guard though, and Fultz isn't. You have to compare him to people like Harden, Irving, Beal, Roy, Russell, etc...

Williams is as pure a point guard as you will find.


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I get what you mean. But there's really no one for Fultz to pass the ball to at UW. Wont be surprised if no one of his teammates makes it to D League

[Ericb5]

‪Unpopular. But I think a good comparison for Fultz is Deron Williams.Remember how Deron was elite on the PnR back then? ‬Good size at PG, scorer on 3 levels, PnR game but questionable D/motor.

Deron Williams is a point guard though, and Fultz isn't. You have to compare him to people like Harden, Irving, Beal, Roy, Russell, etc...

Williams is as pure a point guard as you will find.


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I get what you mean. But there's really no one for Fultz to pass the ball to at UW. Wont be surprised if no one of his teammates makes it to D League

It's a mentality. He is a shoot first guard that will mostly defend point guards. Williams is a pass first guard that defends point guards. It's easy to say the difference, but it is a huge difference in game.

If Fultz runs your team you aren't going to win, just like if Irving ran the Cavs, of Lillard ran the Trailblazers.

Williams is past his prime, but he could have run a contender with the right mix of talent for sure. Fultz has the potential to be as good as Williams was, but in a different role.


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[76ciology]

Deron Williams is a point guard though, and Fultz isn't. You have to compare him to people like Harden, Irving, Beal, Roy, Russell, etc...

Williams is as pure a point guard as you will find.


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I get what you mean. But there's really no one for Fultz to pass the ball to at UW. Wont be surprised if no one of his teammates makes it to D League

It's a mentality. He is a shoot first guard that will mostly defend point guards. Williams is a pass first guard that defends point guards. It's easy to say the difference, but it is a huge difference in game.

If Fultz runs your team you aren't going to win, just like if Irving ran the Cavs, of Lillard ran the Trailblazers.

Williams is past his prime, but he could have run a contender with the right mix of talent for sure. Fultz has the potential to be as good as Williams was, but in a different role.


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35.5ast% for fultz vs 31%ast for Ball, fultz also has lower TO%. How fultz averaged almost 6apg is amazing. Second best scorer was crisp who shoots .411FG% on 13ppg.

[Negrodamus]

I get what you mean. But there's really no one for Fultz to pass the ball to at UW. Wont be surprised if no one of his teammates makes it to D League

It's a mentality. He is a shoot first guard that will mostly defend point guards. Williams is a pass first guard that defends point guards. It's easy to say the difference, but it is a huge difference in game.

If Fultz runs your team you aren't going to win, just like if Irving ran the Cavs, of Lillard ran the Trailblazers.

Williams is past his prime, but he could have run a contender with the right mix of talent for sure. Fultz has the potential to be as good as Williams was, but in a different role.


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35.5ast% for fultz vs 31%ast for Ball, fultz also has lower TO%. How fultz averaged almost 6apg is amazing. Second best scorer was crisp who shoots .411FG% on 13ppg.

Yea, from the games I've watched, it seems like Fultz wanted to be pass first, but needed to score because everyone else on the team was hot garbage. I wonder how many of his easy assists were ruined at the hands of poor basketball. players? It felt pretty frequent that they'd fumble a pass or brick an open jumper/semi contested layup.

[Chris76]

It's a mentality. He is a shoot first guard that will mostly defend point guards. Williams is a pass first guard that defends point guards. It's easy to say the difference, but it is a huge difference in game.

If Fultz runs your team you aren't going to win, just like if Irving ran the Cavs, of Lillard ran the Trailblazers.

Williams is past his prime, but he could have run a contender with the right mix of talent for sure. Fultz has the potential to be as good as Williams was, but in a different role.


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35.5ast% for fultz vs 31%ast for Ball, fultz also has lower TO%. How fultz averaged almost 6apg is amazing. Second best scorer was crisp who shoots .411FG% on 13ppg.

Yea, from the games I've watched, it seems like Fultz wanted to be pass first, but needed to score because everyone else on the team was hot garbage. I wonder how many of his easy assists were ruined at the hands of poor basketball. players? It felt pretty frequent that they'd fumble a pass or brick an open jumper/semi contested layup.

I agree, Fultz could have a Tony Parker type game, probing the defense to find the best assist or shot. It should be interesting to see if he evolves into a pass or shoot first PG, hopefully, he finds the perfect mix to keep everyone engaged. Anyway, he is a great fit for our current squad.

[Sixerscan]

I get what you mean. But there's really no one for Fultz to pass the ball to at UW. Wont be surprised if no one of his teammates makes it to D League

It's a mentality. He is a shoot first guard that will mostly defend point guards. Williams is a pass first guard that defends point guards. It's easy to say the difference, but it is a huge difference in game.

If Fultz runs your team you aren't going to win, just like if Irving ran the Cavs, of Lillard ran the Trailblazers.

Williams is past his prime, but he could have run a contender with the right mix of talent for sure. Fultz has the potential to be as good as Williams was, but in a different role.


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35.5ast% for fultz vs 31%ast for Ball, fultz also has lower TO%. How fultz averaged almost 6apg is amazing. Second best scorer was crisp who shoots .411FG% on 13ppg.

He had a high assist rate because he had the ball in his hands so much. It's like how Westbrook or iverson some years had a high rate.

[Kobblehead]

I'm looking forward to seeing Fultz on the defensive end this year. With a (hopefully) diminished usage on the offensive end, he should be attentive and energized on D. His length and instincts are appealing.

[76ciology]

So among PGs, Fultz has the best wingspan and standing reach aside from Livingston.

That said, I do think his pull-up & tough shot maker game will translate if defended by smaller PGs.

Going further.. Fultz' offense revolves around his hang dribble and PnR game. He has several counters for these like cross overs, double crossovers, behind the back, step back and spin.

[JojoSlimbiid]

So among PGs, Fultz has the best wingspan and standing reach aside from Livingston.

That said, I do think his pull-up & tough shot maker game will translate if defended by smaller PGs.

Going further.. Fultz' offense revolves around his hang dribble and PnR game. He has several counters for these like cross overs, double crossovers, behind the back, step back and spin.

Is that true?

[Sixersftw]

So among PGs, Fultz has the best wingspan and standing reach aside from Livingston.

That said, I do think his pull-up & tough shot maker game will translate if defended by smaller PGs.

Going further.. Fultz' offense revolves around his hang dribble and PnR game. He has several counters for these like cross overs, double crossovers, behind the back, step back and spin.

Is that true?

John Wall has a bigger wingspan by 1/4in and a shorter standing reach by 1/2in but yes, Fultz's measurables are pretty nuts for his position.

[JojoSlimbiid]

So among PGs, Fultz has the best wingspan and standing reach aside from Livingston.

That said, I do think his pull-up & tough shot maker game will translate if defended by smaller PGs.

Going further.. Fultz' offense revolves around his hang dribble and PnR game. He has several counters for these like cross overs, double crossovers, behind the back, step back and spin.

Is that true?

John Wall has a bigger wingspan by 1/4in and a shorter standing reach by 1/2in but yes, Fultz's measurables are pretty nuts for his position.

Damn...obviously Frank N....destroys everyone assuming he's a point-guard but to know we don't just have a skill guy we have a skill guy with some outlier physical tools is insane.

[Sixersftw]

Is that true?

John Wall has a bigger wingspan by 1/4in and a shorter standing reach by 1/2in but yes, Fultz's measurables are pretty nuts for his position.

Damn...obviously Frank N....destroys everyone assuming he's a point-guard but to know we don't just have a skill guy we have a skill guy with some outlier physical tools is insane.

I don't think Frank's measurables are in the Draft Express database.

[76ciology]

Is that true?

John Wall has a bigger wingspan by 1/4in and a shorter standing reach by 1/2in but yes, Fultz's measurables are pretty nuts for his position.

Damn...obviously Frank N....destroys everyone assuming he's a point-guard but to know we don't just have a skill guy we have a skill guy with some outlier physical tools is insane.

Ntilinka is longer but nowhere near Fultz' skillset. Ntilinka projects as very likely role players to me. Similarly like Kawhi and Giannis entering the league.

[JojoSlimbiid]

John Wall has a bigger wingspan by 1/4in and a shorter standing reach by 1/2in but yes, Fultz's measurables are pretty nuts for his position.

Damn...obviously Frank N....destroys everyone assuming he's a point-guard but to know we don't just have a skill guy we have a skill guy with some outlier physical tools is insane.

Ntilinka is longer but nowhere near Fultz' skillset. Ntilinka projects as very likely role players to me. Similarly like Kawhi and Giannis entering the league.

To clarify I meant destroy in terms of the physical profile. I don't really think much of him as a player. I'd probably take him slightly outside of the lottery just as a player.

[sixerswillrule]

Deron Williams is a point guard though, and Fultz isn't. You have to compare him to people like Harden, Irving, Beal, Roy, Russell, etc...

Williams is as pure a point guard as you will find.


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I get what you mean. But there's really no one for Fultz to pass the ball to at UW. Wont be surprised if no one of his teammates makes it to D League

It's a mentality. He is a shoot first guard that will mostly defend point guards. Williams is a pass first guard that defends point guards. It's easy to say the difference, but it is a huge difference in game.

If Fultz runs your team you aren't going to win, just like if Irving ran the Cavs, of Lillard ran the Trailblazers.

Williams is past his prime, but he could have run a contender with the right mix of talent for sure. Fultz has the potential to be as good as Williams was, but in a different role.


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The Blazers had the #1 ranked offense in the entire league in 2009 and won 54 games.

The Rockets had the #2 ranked offense in the entire league in 2017 and won 55 games.

The idea that you can't have a successful, winning offense led by a scoring-minded combo guard is wrong.

[76ciology]

I get what you mean. But there's really no one for Fultz to pass the ball to at UW. Wont be surprised if no one of his teammates makes it to D League

It's a mentality. He is a shoot first guard that will mostly defend point guards. Williams is a pass first guard that defends point guards. It's easy to say the difference, but it is a huge difference in game.

If Fultz runs your team you aren't going to win, just like if Irving ran the Cavs, of Lillard ran the Trailblazers.

Williams is past his prime, but he could have run a contender with the right mix of talent for sure. Fultz has the potential to be as good as Williams was, but in a different role.


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The Blazers had the #1 ranked offense in the entire league in 2009 and won 54 games.

The Rockets had the #2 ranked offense in the entire league in 2017 and won 55 games.

The idea that you can't have a successful, winning offense led a scoring-minded combo guard is wrong.

If you ask me, there are certain set-ups that optimizes talent. And Fultz has that by playing with Simmons and Biid.

Kyrie, Love or JR Smith doesn't play like the game that wins championships but everything changes with LBJ.

If entire team focuses on Fultz and he is expected to carry the entire team, you won't win much. But if the defensive focus is spread out, Fultz can read the D and not force things